Fire on nuke sub set deliberately.

[ichy]

no women in the silent service

Wasn't that policy recently changed (for better or for worse?)

 

[velillen]

Wasn't that policy recently changed (for better or for worse?)

It's been changed and slowly being implemented. I believe only the ssgn Ohio has females and only officers at this point.



As for the fire....400 million isn't that much when you factor in they would have to most likely defuel the reactor inorder to turn it into a training platform...in which case it wold probably cost more. Also the forward end houses all the electronics which is where most of the cost probably stems from. The actual hull is most likely fine as the majority of non electrical components should be unless directly in the fire.

 

[BoomerD]

no ladies head in a sub:hmm:

no women in the silent service

Youse guys are completely missing the point...

 

[Pray To Jesus]

LoL

 

[rayfieldclement]

I HOPE they did a security check on that guy BEFORE he got the job. Shouldn't mental illness be grounds for NOT getting that type of job?

 

[marvdmartian]

They obviously put out the fire first. And then repair/replace anything that was damaged. And then because it's a military ship, they test the living daylights out of everything.

Example: USS Forrestal: Commissioned in '55, massive fire in '67, decommissioned in '93.

Not to mention, our submarine force has one of the world's best quality assurance programs in place, called SUBSAFE. Anything on the boat that has to do with holding back the pressure of the water while submerged, requires an excessive amount of QC. The parts that are certified SUBSAFE can be traced back to the mine the ore was pulled from, all the way through the smelting and machining processes, step by step, until it's installed on the boat. It's signed for, every step of the way, and ANY loss of control results in it's immediate removal from the program (meaning it won't be used on any boat in the fleet). This is how we have prevented any possibility of losing one of our submarines, in over 40 years.

So if the fire damaged the hull in any way, the Navy will either have it repaired to SUBSAFE standards, or they'll retire the boat from service.

 

[velillen]

Not to mention, our submarine force has one of the world's best quality assurance programs in place, called SUBSAFE. Anything on the boat that has to do with holding back the pressure of the water while submerged, requires an excessive amount of QC. The parts that are certified SUBSAFE can be traced back to the mine the ore was pulled from, all the way through the smelting and machining processes, step by step, until it's installed on the boat. It's signed for, every step of the way, and ANY loss of control results in it's immediate removal from the program (meaning it won't be used on any boat in the fleet). This is how we have prevented any possibility of losing one of our submarines, in over 40 years.

So if the fire damaged the hull in any way, the Navy will either have it repaired to SUBSAFE standards, or they'll retire the boat from service.

Subsafe is the program. The materials are Level 1 materials. A part isnt certified as SUBSAFE but rather as level 1. Level 1 materials are used on plenty of non subsafe areas as well such as primary valves, reactor plant, basically anything that if it fails will lead to the loss of the ship and personnel.

Least thats how the shipyards use the program. If its different terminology for the Navy then my bad But still the same thing

 

[techs]

I HOPE they did a security check on that guy BEFORE he got the job. Shouldn't mental illness be grounds for NOT getting that type of job?

Meh. He probably acted as normal as the Joker in Aurora.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Remember, this is covered under defense contracting...that $400 Million MIGHT have covered the cost for the curtains in the ladies head.

Last I heard, the sub was a total loss.

FYI: A new submarine costs $1.5 billion and another $0.5 billion or so to fully arm it (put every missile, torpedo, etc in it that will fit)

FWIW: I work at the company that makes them.

 

[IHateMyJob2004]

Meh. He probably acted as normal as the Joker in Aurora.

As always, people don't know what security checks are about. They check to see if you are a risk of selling secrets to other countries. Nothing more, nothing less.

Your mental state is only an issue if they think it will lead you to selling secrets.

 

[ichy]

I HOPE they did a security check on that guy BEFORE he got the job. Shouldn't mental illness be grounds for NOT getting that type of job?

Psych screenings are mostly BS (just like the rest of psychology/psychiatry.) The notion that there's any reliable way to check people for mental instability is nonsense.

 

[Number1]

Anxiety/depression pills?

Before I say this, let me just say that I Understand that there is a VERY VERY VERY small percentage of people that REALLY need Anxiety/Depression pills. But there is no way in HELL that the amount of people that actually take them really need them (pharma profits in the particular sector tell me the story).

Anxiety/depression is part of life. Deal with it!!!

Without even getting into the fact that these pills will do some major damage to your body/mind and in the end give you more health problems...

I'm sure this guy will sue pharma for ALL the wrong reasons.

?
You got it all wrong. If big farma are pushing for people to take their medications for no good reasons and said person end up setting a $400 millions fire, then big farma should foot the bill don't you think?

 

[pcgeek11]

no women in the silent service

This is not correct. They are training women for submarine duty as we type this.

http://www.womensviewsonnews.org/2010/10/first-women-in-training-for-submarine-duty/

http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=52954

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/In_US_Navy_women_to_start_submarine_duty_999.html

Yes they have officially fucked up my Navy and Submarine force. This really sucks IMO. I am glad I retired before they started this BS. I went to sea on a surface ship with women for a six month cruise. It sucked big time! More than half ended up pregnant and the other half couldn't do the job.

Back on topic:

This pampered little asshole should get life in prison. It was amazing nobody died. It took the fire departments from 3 states 10 days to completely get the fire out. A fire on a Submarine is hell, even in port.

 

[pcgeek11]

I HOPE they did a security check on that guy BEFORE he got the job. Shouldn't mental illness be grounds for NOT getting that type of job?

As a painter?

 

[pcgeek11]

Last I heard, the sub was a total loss.

FYI: A new submarine costs $1.5 billion and another $0.5 billion or so to fully arm it (put every missile, torpedo, etc in it that will fit)

FWIW: I work at the company that makes them.

Them what?

Boats, Missiles, Torpedoes???

 

[sourceninja]

I think it's obvious, we need to regulate fire. I'm going to write my congressmen. Normal people do not need access to fire.

 

[z1ggy]

no women in the silent service

That's changing very soon.

 

[z1ggy]

As a painter?

Everybody who steps foot inside a ship yard as a worker, needs a security clearance. Most likely a secret one. 5 year back round check is performed and he obviously passed it.

 

[rayfieldclement]

As a painter?

Yes as a painter or any other defense job that possibly involves him being around weapons.

 

[pcgeek11]

Yes as a painter or any other defense job that possibly involves him being around weapons.

He wasn't around weapons. The weapons are off loaded before a ship goes into a shipyard.

Even if they were aboard he wouldn't be allowed around them without a clearance.

Being a " Yard Bird " is not a defense job.

 

[pcgeek11]

Everybody who steps foot inside a ship yard as a worker, needs a security clearance. Most likely a secret one. 5 year back round check is performed and he obviously passed it.

Not even close to being true. Most of the sailors on the ship do not have a secret clearance. Most Yard birds only get a cursory background check.

 

[velillen]

He wasn't around weapons. The weapons are off loaded before a ship goes into a shipyard.

Even if they were aboard he wouldn't be allowed around them without a clearance.

Being a " Yard Bird " is not a defense job.

Ive worked onboard fully loaded subs quite a few times. Its actually just annoying more than anything since they question everything you do. But that is generally for emergent repairs or items that have to be done while loading/unloading. So saying he was never around weapons (although likely true) could be false. But yes he would always have a clearance and if i was loaded probably be on a list ot be allowed onboard.

So being a "Yard Bird" such as he was, working for the Department of Defense, Department of the Navy, NAVSEA, isnt a "defense" job?


As for clearances...any DoD shipyard worker who does work on the boats gets a confidential clearance by default. You have to have that clearance to go in engine rooms so if you dont get it...goodbye job. Of course some jobs require higher clearances. Contractors, very few get confidential clearances and those who do are usually from GE or someone who built the parts anyways. Most are what we call green badges which basically means they cant go in any space with computers or that have to do with nuclear propulsion. Their background check is basically simply making sure they dont have any warrents

 

[pcgeek11]

Ive worked onboard fully loaded subs quite a few times. Its actually just annoying more than anything since they question everything you do. But that is generally for emergent repairs or items that have to be done while loading/unloading. So saying he was never around weapons (although likely true) could be false. But yes he would always have a clearance and if i was loaded probably be on a list ot be allowed onboard.

So being a "Yard Bird" such as he was, working for the Department of Defense, Department of the Navy, NAVSEA, isnt a "defense" job?


As for clearances...any DoD shipyard worker who does work on the boats gets a confidential clearance by default. You have to have that clearance to go in engine rooms so if you dont get it...goodbye job. Of course some jobs require higher clearances. Contractors, very few get confidential clearances and those who do are usually from GE or someone who built the parts anyways. Most are what we call green badges which basically means they cant go in any space with computers or that have to do with nuclear propulsion. Their background check is basically simply making sure they dont have any warrents

I was in the Navy 20+ years on Submarines as a Missile Technician and a Torpedoman. !. There is no way in hell a 24 year old yardbird painter is going to have access to weapons Period. None. Nor will he have anything near a Secret Clearance ever. I have taken boats through two shipyards. It isn't like I'm making shit up.

Being a Painter in the shipyard isn't a Defense Job even if it is DoD. It is an unskilled labor job that any smuck could do.

 

[Godsend1]

Subsafe is the program. The materials are Level 1 materials. A part isnt certified as SUBSAFE but rather as level 1. Level 1 materials are used on plenty of non subsafe areas as well such as primary valves, reactor plant, basically anything that if it fails will lead to the loss of the ship and personnel.

Least thats how the shipyards use the program. If its different terminology for the Navy then my bad But still the same thing

Good ole MIC marking, CIR's, MJIR's. I sure do miss all that wonderfull paperwork.

 

[Godsend1]

I was in the Navy 20+ years on Submarines as a Missile Technician and a Torpedoman. !. There is no way in hell a 24 year old yardbird painter is going to have access to weapons Period. None. Nor will he have anything near a Secret Clearance ever. I have taken boats through two shipyards. It isn't like I'm making shit up.

Being a Painter in the shipyard isn't a Defense Job even if it is DoD. It is an unskilled labor job that any smuck could do.

I've been alone in the Torpedo room on a fast attack with a full load out, keys IN the WLC, many times.

Former civil servant , confidential clearance. Ordnance Equipment Mechanic