"Financial Reform Bill Is A Disaster"

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Sen Judd Gregg said the financial reform bill is a ‘disaster’.

Gregg Was Obama's first pick for Commerce Secretary. He declined the post because of the stimulus and the hijacking of the census by the White House.

GD:

“The bill is a disaster because it doesn’t address the fundamental underlining causes of the economic issue, which were real estate and underwriting,” he said. “This bill became, ‘I want to score the most points against Wall Street.’ Most of the initiative of this bill wasn’t directed at solving the problem, but it was directed at scoring political points...


Meanwhile, the provision on consumer protection will expand the reach of government and create conflicts with the banking industry" Gregg said...

“You’ll basically have a consumer protection agency which decides to go out and in the morning and say, ‘well everybody who’s XYZ should have a loan, even though the local community bank says XYZ shouldn’t have a loan, because if we give them a loan, we know they’re not going to pay back,’” he said. “It’s going to become an agency that defines lending on social justice purposes instead of safety and soundness purposes.”

http://www.cnbc.com/id/37314297



Dick Morris also wrote about the bill:

"FINANCIAL REGULATION BILL IS SOCIALISM"


President Obama has taken the United States one more giant step towards socialism by ramming through the Senate his financial regulation bill.

The bill authorizes the Secretary of the Treasury - a political appointee - to seize any financial company (bank or nonbank) simply because, in his opinion, it is too big to fail and in danger of insolvency. This power can be used for political retribution, pressure for campaign funding, or any other abuse bureaucratic whim or partisan politics can conceive. It is a power Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez would love to have!

The legislation also requires that any business that extends credit, in any form, needs to clear the loan instrument in advance with the new consumer protection agency. The backlog of pending applications will strangle consumer credit.

And the bill fails to do the one thing it must do - regulate derivatives and make them transparent. Senator Chris Dodd (D Ct) bowed to pressure from his sponsors on Wall Street and deleted the regulatory provision and set up a commission to study the situation for two years! Senator Maria Cantwell (D Wash) protested the cop out with a no vote against the legislation.

So how did it pass? Four Republicans sold out, that´s how! Among the RINOs were, of course, Susan Collins and Olympia Snow of Maine. But, surprisingly, Scott Brown (R Mass), the newly elected Massachusetts Miracle defected as did the normally stalwart Chuck Grassley (R Iowa).


http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/2010/05/21/989/
 

highland145

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My industry is very concerned that the "agency" will decide our rates are too high and cap us. Effectively putting us out of business. Then my custome,r with a 500 fico score, will only be able to borrow $300 from the dude on the corner at 25%/week with no regulation/protection.
 

theeedude

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Judd Gregg's Republican party was in charge during the inflation of the housing bubble, it did nothing about it when something could have been done about it. So really he and GOP have ZERO credibility on the issue.
 

Danube

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Judd Gregg's Republican party was in charge during the inflation of the housing bubble, it did nothing about it when something could have been done about it. So really he and GOP have ZERO credibility on the issue.

Nope nope - even they tried to fix problems back in 2003. Barney Frank scoffed at them:


''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

lolz

New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae


http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/11/b...-freddie-mac-and-fannie-mae.html?pagewanted=2
 

BoberFett

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Nothing to contribute, I just think it would be awesome if a senator showed up for work dressed like this.

dredd2.jpg
 

Danube

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Some of us expected Scott Brown to help "we the people" "take back the country."
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2077553


Brown's campaign people said that what got him the win was a concern over terrorism. Brown was substantially behind before the bomber was caught on a plane at the same time navy SEALs were being put in jail.

Of course it would be great if Brown was more conservative and not a RINO on money matters (he voted for "Jobs Bill" - Stimulus II - as well) but he was never going to be Barry Goldwater.
 

theeedude

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Nope nope - even they tried to fix problems back in 2003. Barney Frank scoffed at them:


''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

lolz

New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae


http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/11/b...-freddie-mac-and-fannie-mae.html?pagewanted=2

Yes, Barnie Frank blocked a Republican House and Senate from passing a bill to be signed by a Republican president. Good luck finding someone dumb enough to believe that.
 

dmcowen674

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My industry is very concerned that the "agency" will decide our rates are too high and cap us. Effectively putting us out of business. Then my custome,r with a 500 fico score, will only be able to borrow $300 from the dude on the corner at 25%/week with no regulation/protection.

It's that way now so what would be any different?

Oh that's right a bloodsucking company that shouldn't be in business no longer in business, good riddance.
 

highland145

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It's that way now so what would be any different?

Oh that's right a bloodsucking company that shouldn't be in business no longer in business, good riddance.
It's not that way now. I post a rate and I can charge it.

So you would rather have no regulation/consumer protection for people with shitty credit?

I will venture to guess that you wouldn't lend $$ to a guy with a 500 fico, that needs to fix his car, so he can go to work. Maybe you could just give it to him out of the kindness of your heart.
 

BoberFett

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It's not that way now. I post a rate and I can charge it.

So you would rather have no regulation/consumer protection for people with shitty credit?

I will venture to guess that you wouldn't lend $$ to a guy with a 500 fico, that needs to fix his car, so he can go to work. Maybe you could just give it to him out of the kindness of your heart.

What are you talking about? Dave doesn't have money to lend. He's a loser.
 

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It's not that way now. I post a rate and I can charge it.

So you would rather have no regulation/consumer protection for people with shitty credit?

I will venture to guess that you wouldn't lend $$ to a guy with a 500 fico, that needs to fix his car, so he can go to work. Maybe you could just give it to him out of the kindness of your heart.

There really shouldn't be anyone with a 500 FICO that needs "protection". For you to have a 500 FICO you really either are trying to never pay anything on time, or you have outstanding debts. Either way, no one should be lending money to that person.
 

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Yes, Barnie Frank blocked a Republican House and Senate from passing a bill to be signed by a Republican president. Good luck finding someone dumb enough to believe that.

so 41 republicans can block the dems from doing stuff now, but 49 dems couldn't block republicans then? :hmm:
 

dmcowen674

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It's not that way now. I post a rate and I can charge it.

So you would rather have no regulation/consumer protection for people with shitty credit?

I will venture to guess that you wouldn't lend $$ to a guy with a 500 fico, that needs to fix his car, so he can go to work. Maybe you could just give it to him out of the kindness of your heart.

No regulation is what led to this mess.

Credit card companies handed out cards like candy, you reap what you sow.
 

Fern

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Nope nope - even they tried to fix problems back in 2003. Barney Frank scoffed at them:


''These two entities -- Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac -- are not facing any kind of financial crisis,'' said Representative Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ''The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.''

lolz

New Agency Proposed to Oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae


http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/11/b...-freddie-mac-and-fannie-mae.html?pagewanted=2


Yes, Barnie Frank blocked a Republican House and Senate from passing a bill to be signed by a Republican president. Good luck finding someone dumb enough to believe that.

:rolleyes:

Re: "Good luck finding someone dumb". Would finding someone dumb enough to be unaware of the Senate filibuster rules count?

The Repubs only had 51 votes then. They would need 60 votes to end cloture and bring the bill to the floor for passage. So, yes absolutely, Barney Frank and the Dems could block the repubs from passing that financial reform bill in 2003.

Fern
 

Darwin333

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Judd Gregg's Republican party was in charge during the inflation of the housing bubble, it did nothing about it when something could have been done about it. So really he and GOP have ZERO credibility on the issue.

Obama has pretty much the same people running the show as Bush did. Turbo Tax Timmy was head of the NY Fed (aren't they supposed to regulate these financial institutions) during the bubble/collapse and Clinton with a Republican Congress repealed Glass Stegal which allowed this all to happen.

None of the fuckwads in Washington have any credibility on the issue.
 

Jhhnn

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so, uhh, where were Gregg and Corker when the real estate market was headed for the moon, anyway? Engaged in a little spooning, male bonding, with Mozilo and Wall St, I suspect...

This was Corker's proposed amendment-

http://senatus.wordpress.com/2010/05/12/corker-loan-underwriting-financial-reform-amendment-falls/

Which would have been a fine idea, say, ~2001 or so, before Wall St went wild... Today, it'd just prevent people who can make the payments & are stuck upside down with shitty loans from refinancing... more people will default as a consequence, obviously...

It'll be a good thing to do when and if huge numbers of families are no longer upside down on their mortgages, but that's a long way off, apparently... As it is, it just looks like repubs are either posturing or really want to drive the economy face down into the dirt...
 

highland145

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There really shouldn't be anyone with a 500 FICO that needs "protection". For you to have a 500 FICO you really either are trying to never pay anything on time, or you have outstanding debts. Either way, no one should be lending money to that person.
That's why I charge 35%. To be fair to Mr. 500, people do stupid crap, regret it later and have to start over somewhere. I report to equifax so that if they want to rebuild they can (at 35%).

There are habitual non-learners/carers that I wouldn't give air if it were up to me.