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Originally posted by: onlyCOpunk
Well it sounds like your main problem is comparing it the 360.

The thing you have to remember about PSN is that it's FREE, where as XBL you have to pay for it, thus when you pay for something you expect something whereas since it's free you pretty much have to take what they give you.

If Sony had made PSN work like XBL then you would be complaining that Sony had ripped off XBL.

You must look at it as a completely different system then the 360, not a competitor.

All Xbox 360's allow owners to download off of Live for free. The only thing you need to pay for is game hosting/matching.

As for the PS3 not being a competitor and not comparing the two....😕

 
Originally posted by: mugs
360 owners who try to deny that it is failure prone are delusional, but you're delusional if you think the 30+% number you've been repeating ad infinitum is anything more than a number you pulled out of your ass, just like the 49% number you used to claim.
EBGames / Gamestop sources gave a 30% number, and there was a DailyTech piece that got the same number. It's also a fairly safe guesstimate given the amount of money MS has spent on warranty repairs -- not just the $1b but also 5 quarters of costs high enough to be singled out in MS' financial reports as a significant expense.

I never claimed a 49% failure rate. I only pointed out that MS refused to narrow down the range of the failure rate any more closely than that. The most definite MS has ever been about the failure rate is to say "a majority" (that is, 51%) of owners haven't had a RRoD.

Even people with 2 consoles can be touchy about perceived attacks on them 🙂
 
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: onlyCOpunk
Well it sounds like your main problem is comparing it the 360.

The thing you have to remember about PSN is that it's FREE, where as XBL you have to pay for it, thus when you pay for something you expect something whereas since it's free you pretty much have to take what they give you.

If Sony had made PSN work like XBL then you would be complaining that Sony had ripped off XBL.

You must look at it as a completely different system then the 360, not a competitor.

All Xbox 360's allow owners to download off of Live for free. The only thing you need to pay for is game hosting/matching.

As for the PS3 not being a competitor and not comparing the two....😕

yea I read over onlyCOpunk's post and was 😕 myself.
 
Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Even people with 2 consoles can be touchy about perceived attacks on them 🙂

Enlightenment does not occur until all 3 consoles are obtained. To be truly full, your bank account must first be emptied 😉

 
Originally posted by: onlyCOpunk
Well it sounds like your main problem is comparing it the 360. As far as included cables, I expected that only composite would be included, it also states on the box. Most people's R&C demo downloaded slow, mine took about 8 hours.

That's because the 360 is the main competitor for the PS3. I already own a 360 and I want a similar experience. I realize I won't have all the games that I currently have, as there aren't many good games available. That's not a big deal for me, I realize that. The thing is, the PS3 came out after the 360 and there was time (even until now, 2 years after the 360's release) for Sony to take heed of the comments on the 360 UI.

Originally posted by: onlyCOpunk
The thing you have to remember about PSN is that it's FREE, where as XBL you have to pay for it, thus when you pay for something you expect something whereas since it's free you pretty much have to take what they give you.

But you only pay for online play like someone else mentioned. Downloading games and everything else is free (as long as the game is free, or else you pay for the game, just like you do with the PS Store).

Originally posted by: onlyCOpunk
If Sony had made PSN work like XBL then you would be complaining that Sony had ripped off XBL.

No, I'd be happy because I'd be in a familiar piece of software that I don't have to figure it all out and try to find ways around the weird kinks. Sure, I might call foul if it was literally the same thing with PS3 logos instead of 360 logos, but that's a totally different scenario 😛.

Originally posted by: onlyCOpunk
Basically everything you are complaing about, is what every other PS3 owner has complained about in the past, nothing revolutionary. It's just the way the PS3 is. You must look at it as a completely different system then the 360, not a competitor. While they may share some of the same titles and features now, a year or two down the road hopefully Sony will have established it's own.

I wasn't trying to bill my complaints as new, especially the first one. Although I've never heard anyone on here complain about the lack of Arcade Trials (using 360 terms), but I have heard about the annoying installs. But I don't see why you just accept what it is... I mean, why can't games be downloaded and just ran. Why do they have to be installed? Would they be very large downloads if they were downloaded and ran immediately? If so, what could you do to shorten that.

The PS3 may be a different system, but the 360 is its direct competitor.

Originally posted by: onlyCOpunk
I'm happy with my PS3, and while I did have some minor irritations when I first got it, I cried a river, built a bridge, and got over it.

Rome wasn't built in a day 😛.

Originally posted by: onlyCOpunk
And for the note, there is a PS3 version of Linux, I forgot what it's called, but in the PS3 settings there is an option to install a different OS, that different OS is Linux, so if you feel the need you can go ahead and try that, it's free as all Linux is and apparently can turn your PS3 into a mini computer.

I have no need for a PC like that. This is my setup (note this pic is old and doesn't have the PS3 in it... things actually look quite a bit different now):

http://www.aikouka.com/DSC00037.JPG

That big black thing to the right of the TV stand is my Media/File server which is much better than the PS3 with Linux would be.
 
Originally posted by: Aikouka
The last thing isn't against the PS3 but I guess it's against my entire media setup. My TV doesn't seem to pass HDMI audio through to its digital output. This creates quite a conundrum as I can't actually hear anything unless I set it to 2 channel only 🙁. I'm out of digital inputs on my receiver, so I might just have to replace my receiver with a totally different setup. Kind of a bummer... I might be able to find a digital switch or something like that for right now... I donno.

Or I could pick this up?
http://www.amazon.com/CABLES-G...17/105-0266200-5199650

Seems like a band-aid solution though... maybe I should just get a "real" setup for once... I can just put the PS3 output on Movie Mode and it will sound 5.1-ish for now 🙂.

I don't know of any TVs that will pass the audio from HDMI in through the digital out. The solution on Amazon is a pretty decent one. Coaxial isn't quite as good as optical, but it's still digital and is WAY better than RCA. It's probably what I'll have to do eventually since I'm out of digital optical inputs on my receiver.
 
Originally posted by: purbeast0
i hope by "things looking different now" you mean you removed that stupid ass sticker from your TV.

Nope, I love leaving the stickers on... you get lots of people to complain about it :laugh:. I've had it for almost a year now and it's still stickered up 😉. I mean, I look at it like this, what if someone asks me what Game Mode is. I just point at the sticker! "What about your input options?" I just point at the sticker. See, such ease of use!

Originally posted by: kalrith
I don't know of any TVs that will pass the audio from HDMI in through the digital out. The solution on Amazon is a pretty decent one. Coaxial isn't quite as good as optical, but it's still digital and is WAY better than RCA. It's probably what I'll have to do eventually since I'm out of digital optical inputs on my receiver.


Really? I thought they would. I mean, it made sense to me that if your internal speakers were muted and you had audio coming in through HDMI, that it should be output through toslink if you had one connected. I did end up purchasing that solution through Amazon (thanks for the reply by the way Yoyo) and I'll end up getting it tomorrow (go Amazon Prime 😀). I know how you feel about that though... I mean you can see in there that my receiver is nothing special... hell, it was designed for a PC 😛. I think I'll just disconnect the toslink from my TV when I get it tomorrow, because I only watch House on it usually, so I can just go out on Friday like usual and pick up an optical cable (Target has them for ~$8).
 
I'm really bored, so I'll just give input for everything! Yay!

Originally posted by: Aikouka
1) No HD cables.
- Now I know, we've beat this one to death, but I opened it up today and saw the ol' composite cables then I looked at the shiny ol' behemoth next to me and wondered... why? Why couldn't they at least throw component in? What about a mix like Microsoft does where you can select one or the other? I mean, I can see the $400 model not including them, they're trying to skimp to bring the price down on that one, but this is the 80GB $600 model I'm talking about here.

It really is stupid...I don't know why Sony did this. Still, at least you can get component or HDMI cables for REALLY cheap (at least HDMI) online.

Originally posted by: Aikouka
2) PS Network is slow as hell.
- I haven't had any time to run any real tests on this, but I started up the download for Ratchet and Clank, went away for about 5 minutes... came back and found it at 3mb downloaded. Now, I ain't runnin' ISDN here, my friends... I can download a 1.6GB file in around... 50 minutes or so maybe? The 360 using the same network connections (gigabit d-link switch to gigabit d-link gaming router) has no problem downloading demos fast. After I started playing Motorstorm, the download speed seemed to shoot up for some strange reason. I estimated it was going at maybe 30k/s before and now it's going at around 300k/s. Is this normal? If I pause the downloads and turn off the console, can I restart them?

You can pause and resume downloads, even if you shut off the console. What you're experiencing seems to be a recent problem. I'll start off around 1Mbps on downloads, but it eventually slows to a crawl on any download. Pausing and restarting it seems to kick it back up for a bit. Normally everything is quick, but the past couple weeks have been weird and slow.

Originally posted by: Aikouka
3) PS Network games have no trial/demo.
- I'm quite used to the 360 and I love that all Arcade games must have a free trial version. I was interested in Super Stardust HD and Everyday Shooter, but I want to try before I buy... but I can't find anything that would let me download a trial. Is there one that I just missed?

Barely any arcade games have that, sadly. I just read reviews and hope I like it based on that.

Originally posted by: Aikouka
4) Sony can't validate shit.
- I've never had trouble validating my cards on consoles... well a console, but the PS3 refuses to validate my credit card, so even if I wanted to buy the aforementioned games... I can't! I have a feeling something is wrong with the online settings, because when I start Motorstorm, the Online option is unselectable... but sometimes if I return to the menu, it is selectable.

It takes a few seconds for the online option to show up in Motorstorm as selectable. Also, my debit card does that for some websites online. I don't know the reason, but you might want to call Sony or your banking/credit card company.

Originally posted by: Aikouka
5) Menus are poor.
- This is more nitpicky than anything. I know I've read that some people like the PS Store better than the XBOX Marketplace, but frankly... I like the latter better. I found the PS Store too awkward with a controller... it feels like it's developed for the Wii or the PC (i.e. using a pointing device). Seeing the top downloads and stuff is nifty though. I also do not like some of the menus on the console itself. Compared to what I consider standard nomenclature used in menus, I found some of the options confusing at times. Mainly the fact that I consider cancel a method to cancel the current sub-action rather than the entire action. That sucked when I canceled my entire PSN account creation rather than just the credit card part 😛.

I know what you mean about the store. Aside from the whole "seems like it's designed for the Wii" thing, I found it much easier to find what I wanted. Sometimes I have to hit a button twice for it to register, but that's just a minor annoyance. Other than that, I prefer the PSN/XMB/whatever menus you're talking about over the 360's dashboard.

Originally posted by: Aikouka
6) We have furniture.
- The USB charger cable is waaaaaaaay too short. I can't even sit in my chair (which means no couch either) with my controller plugged in. Thankfully it doesn't take that long to charge.

I just keep my controllers charged when I'm not playing. Then again, I'm usually two feet away from my TV, but I occasionally use our 50" TV. I've never considered this to be a problem. At least the SIXAXIS is rechargeable, where as you have to buy an add-on for the 360 controllers. Is the 360's charging cable much longer? I don't think it was anything amazing either (but I don't have one).

Originally posted by: Aikouka
7) Let's make it more like a PC!
- Installing demos makes me a sad panda 🙁. I heard that you had to, but I had no idea that it took this long to install one! I'm actually typing all this up while the Ratchet and Clank demo installs so I can try it out. It's a bit of an annoyance, but I guess I can find things to do around the time. Do all downloaded games have to do this?

Yeah, that's annoying. I just do something else while it installs. Actually, I think there was one or two demos that automatically installed for me...either that or my brother did it for me when I wasn't around.



 
Originally posted by: hans030390
I'm really bored, so I'll just give input for everything! Yay!

Originally posted by: Aikouka
1) No HD cables.
- Now I know, we've beat this one to death, but I opened it up today and saw the ol' composite cables then I looked at the shiny ol' behemoth next to me and wondered... why? Why couldn't they at least throw component in? What about a mix like Microsoft does where you can select one or the other? I mean, I can see the $400 model not including them, they're trying to skimp to bring the price down on that one, but this is the 80GB $600 model I'm talking about here.

It really is stupid...I don't know why Sony did this. Still, at least you can get component or HDMI cables for REALLY cheap (at least HDMI) online.

I would like to think that it was to encourage owners to just use their old PS2 cables, but most likely it was a cost decision. Then again, a lot of people don't have HD anyway...
 
Originally posted by: mlm
Originally posted by: hans030390
I'm really bored, so I'll just give input for everything! Yay!

Originally posted by: Aikouka
1) No HD cables.
- Now I know, we've beat this one to death, but I opened it up today and saw the ol' composite cables then I looked at the shiny ol' behemoth next to me and wondered... why? Why couldn't they at least throw component in? What about a mix like Microsoft does where you can select one or the other? I mean, I can see the $400 model not including them, they're trying to skimp to bring the price down on that one, but this is the 80GB $600 model I'm talking about here.

It really is stupid...I don't know why Sony did this. Still, at least you can get component or HDMI cables for REALLY cheap (at least HDMI) online.

I would like to think that it was to encourage owners to just use their old PS2 cables, but most likely it was a cost decision. Then again, a lot of people don't have HD anyway...

Yeah, if I can get an HDMI cable for a couple bucks, then Sony must be able to get them for $.0001

Then again, aren't cables&accessories the highest markup items in B&M? Wonder if that had anything to do with it.

/tinfoil hat

Most likely Sony trying to save $.0001 per console since they are already so far in the red on COGs

 
Originally posted by: Yreka
Originally posted by: mlm
Originally posted by: hans030390
I'm really bored, so I'll just give input for everything! Yay!

Originally posted by: Aikouka
1) No HD cables.
- Now I know, we've beat this one to death, but I opened it up today and saw the ol' composite cables then I looked at the shiny ol' behemoth next to me and wondered... why? Why couldn't they at least throw component in? What about a mix like Microsoft does where you can select one or the other? I mean, I can see the $400 model not including them, they're trying to skimp to bring the price down on that one, but this is the 80GB $600 model I'm talking about here.

It really is stupid...I don't know why Sony did this. Still, at least you can get component or HDMI cables for REALLY cheap (at least HDMI) online.

I would like to think that it was to encourage owners to just use their old PS2 cables, but most likely it was a cost decision. Then again, a lot of people don't have HD anyway...

Yeah, if I can get an HDMI cable for a couple bucks, then Sony must be able to get them for $.0001

Then again, aren't cables&accessories the highest markup items in B&M? Wonder if that had anything to do with it.

/tinfoil hat

Most likely Sony trying to save $.0001 per console since they are already so far in the red on COGs

Actually I got my HDMI cables for $.0000000000 00000 00000000001 so Sony must be able to get them for $.00000000 000000000000 0000000000 0000000 000000000 0000000 0000000 0000000000 0000000000 0000000000000000000000 00000000000000 000000000 00000 0000000000 000000000000000001, those bastards.
 
yeah well, you bring a lot of valid points to the table. I think we can all agree on a majority of those minus the personal preference. I have to say the online store is organized well..but navigation does suck..
The single thing i wish we could do is navigate/view our XMB from playing a game...i wish we could message/talk to friends, and view DL status!!!
This makes my 360 feel like a complete machine with less downtime. my ps3 just feels like a computer, i game or i message/check stats but not at the same time...
make sense? end of work rant here ...no time to look over, want to go home and game!

on a side note, show me the unreal3 demo on the ps3!!
 
let me just add in here, i got home today, first time ive turned on my ps3 in like a week or so...and god damnit. The downloads are slow as sin, its annoying as hell I have to keep it on in order for them to download as well. the 360 will go to sleep and keep downloading, not the ps3...

I am really fed up with sony's lack of response to the 360s features, ease of use, and downloadable content....its as if they are a generation behind with online features...god damnit
 
Originally posted by: hans030390
It really is stupid...I don't know why Sony did this. Still, at least you can get component or HDMI cables for REALLY cheap (at least HDMI) online.

Yeah, I mean... I'm not ticked off about it, but it just bewilders me when I see it 😛. C'mon, at least component... I can handle... or well, my TV can only handle 720p 😛.

Originally posted by: hans030390
You can pause and resume downloads, even if you shut off the console. What you're experiencing seems to be a recent problem. I'll start off around 1Mbps on downloads, but it eventually slows to a crawl on any download. Pausing and restarting it seems to kick it back up for a bit. Normally everything is quick, but the past couple weeks have been weird and slow.

Well that's good... kind of. That means the slow downloading isn't just me. I did notice today while downloading the Folklore demo that it started out fairly quick (around 300k/s, still only half of my max, but fast enough), but it ended up dropping down near 6PM EST. Right now Gran Turismo HD is crawling along. Maybe I'll try that pause-n-start thing to see if it can boost me up a bit.

Originally posted by: hans030390
Barely any arcade games have that, sadly. I just read reviews and hope I like it based on that.

Well, it came as more of a shock to me because I'm used to the 360 where all games are required to have a trial version. I wanted to try a level or something and see if I liked it. I know, people tell me, "it's just $10 anyway." Maybe I'll buy them anyway and just get really annoyed if I don't like them!

Originally posted by: hans030390
It takes a few seconds for the online option to show up in Motorstorm as selectable. Also, my debit card does that for some websites online. I don't know the reason, but you might want to call Sony or your banking/credit card company.

Ahh, okay... that explains the weirdness in Motorstorm, thank you. Well, my debit card has no problems anywhere (online or in B&M places). I have no idea why it wouldn't validate. I even entered my old address ( where my card is still set to... too lazy to change my checks over ) and that didn't work. Maybe I should try my credit card to see if that takes? Oh I think I see what it is... Sony wants me to use that nice shiny Sony Style card 😛.

Originally posted by: hans030390
I know what you mean about the store. Aside from the whole "seems like it's designed for the Wii" thing, I found it much easier to find what I wanted. Sometimes I have to hit a button twice for it to register, but that's just a minor annoyance. Other than that, I prefer the PSN/XMB/whatever menus you're talking about over the 360's dashboard.

I donno, I don't think the Dashboard is too bad and they're actually kind of similar. The only annoyance of the dashboard is that sometimes it can be slow switching between panes. Not horribly slow, but the animation has to occur each time and it's longer than it takes to switch between objects on the XMB. Kind of like I was mentioning earlier, the XMB would not work well on the 360 when it comes to games. The 80+ arcade games + demos would have an incredibly large column. I think it's quicker to get to some things on the PS Store though, but other than that, it's not too hard to find things on either PS Store or XBLM.

What I mentioned about menus... have you found where you're navigating via the joystick and suddenly you get to a menu where you must use the d-pad to navigate it? That's quite annoying to me. Why won't the menu (usually the overlay style menu where you select whether you want to do something or not... like when you want to quit a game) just let you use any input device.

Originally posted by: hans030390
I just keep my controllers charged when I'm not playing. Then again, I'm usually two feet away from my TV, but I occasionally use our 50" TV. I've never considered this to be a problem. At least the SIXAXIS is rechargeable, where as you have to buy an add-on for the 360 controllers. Is the 360's charging cable much longer? I don't think it was anything amazing either (but I don't have one).

The 360 charge cable isn't much longer, but it's long enough that I have no problem using it from my chair or couch. It's kind of like it's that "perfect length" if there is such a thing. I do think the PS3 controllers charge faster than the 360 controllers, which is nice. I also find checking the battery level easier... although it's the same amount of button presses 😛.

Originally posted by: hans030390
Yeah, that's annoying. I just do something else while it installs. Actually, I think there was one or two demos that automatically installed for me...either that or my brother did it for me when I wasn't around.

Yeah, this is just me being too used to the 360 where it's download and play. It's nice 🙂.

Originally posted by: purbeast0
thanks for fvcking up the format of this thread randay :thumbsup:

Haha. It was a lot of zeros 😉.

Originally posted by: Randum
I am really fed up with sony's lack of response to the 360s features, ease of use, and downloadable content....its as if they are a generation behind with online features...god damnit

That's probably because theyre working on Home.
 
yeah i did...well it was out of rage as i was attempting to DL this darn R and C demo!!! and its taking forever with this sluggish interface compared to the xbox360 DL menus and ease of use...

and lets hope they are working on home...i keep thinking of the dreamcast....*shutters*
 
Originally posted by: purbeast0
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Originally posted by: onlyCOpunk
Well it sounds like your main problem is comparing it the 360.

The thing you have to remember about PSN is that it's FREE, where as XBL you have to pay for it, thus when you pay for something you expect something whereas since it's free you pretty much have to take what they give you.

If Sony had made PSN work like XBL then you would be complaining that Sony had ripped off XBL.

You must look at it as a completely different system then the 360, not a competitor.

All Xbox 360's allow owners to download off of Live for free. The only thing you need to pay for is game hosting/matching.

As for the PS3 not being a competitor and not comparing the two....😕

yea I read over onlyCOpunk's post and was 😕 myself.


You can only compare things when the one you have is better.
 
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