Finally test drove the Scion tC this morning.

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: LongAce

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: LongAce
What I don't get is this. Why are these people going out buying a cheap ass car and then spending 30K on it to make it as fast as a 30K car? Why don't they just go get one of those nicers cars and not rush into getting one of these piece of cr*p.

'Cause its fun.

I have no doubt that it's fun but getting a 16K car and then adding all that sh*t to it to making faster. After all that's been done, they would go and try to race every single car which mostly cars that they couldn't afford. I'd laugh whenever I see a civic trying to race a corvette.

But that's the fun of it. While they're not many in number, its not terribly hard to get a Civic to run 13's. I have more respect for the guy who knows how to build a fast car vs. the guy who goes and buys one. I can't deny that I'd love to have an M5 but then there'd be nothing for me to do but make the payments on it

 

[Zee]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: LongAce

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: LongAce
What I don't get is this. Why are these people going out buying a cheap ass car and then spending 30K on it to make it as fast as a 30K car? Why don't they just go get one of those nicers cars and not rush into getting one of these piece of cr*p.

'Cause its fun.

I have no doubt that it's fun but getting a 16K car and then adding all that sh*t to it to making faster. After all that's been done, they would go and try to race every single car which mostly cars that they couldn't afford. I'd laugh whenever I see a civic trying to race a corvette.

But that's the fun of it. While they're not many in number, its not terribly hard to get a Civic to run 13's. I have more respect for the guy who knows how to build a fast car vs. the guy who goes and buys one. I can't deny that I'd love to have an M5 but then there'd be nothing for me to do but make the payments on it

Why do you build a computer and then overclock it? Why not just buy a fast one from dell?

 

[0roo0roo]

how tall are you

 

[LongAce]

Originally posted by: Lazee

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: LongAce

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: LongAce
What I don't get is this. Why are these people going out buying a cheap ass car and then spending 30K on it to make it as fast as a 30K car? Why don't they just go get one of those nicers cars and not rush into getting one of these piece of cr*p.

'Cause its fun.

I have no doubt that it's fun but getting a 16K car and then adding all that sh*t to it to making faster. After all that's been done, they would go and try to race every single car which mostly cars that they couldn't afford. I'd laugh whenever I see a civic trying to race a corvette.

But that's the fun of it. While they're not many in number, its not terribly hard to get a Civic to run 13's. I have more respect for the guy who knows how to build a fast car vs. the guy who goes and buys one. I can't deny that I'd love to have an M5 but then there'd be nothing for me to do but make the payments on it

Why do you build a computer and then overclock it? Why not just buy a fast one from dell?

I guess there are different stages in each person life. Before, I could never afford to get a dell cause it's too expensive. Now that I can afford to get one, I would get a dell over anyone of my over clocked but together computers. Same thing goes for my car. I don?t have a very nice car, but I know when I see a Civic and it could be running in the 13s for all I care. It?s still a Civic and it?s nothing compared to a Corvette or even a BMW 3 series.

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: LongAce
I guess there are different stages in each person life. Before, I could never afford to get a dell cause it's too expensive. Now that I can afford to get one, I would get a dell over anyone of my over clocked but together computers. Same thing goes for my car. I don?t have a very nice car, but I know when I see a Civic and it could be running in the 13s for all I care. It?s still a Civic and it?s nothing compared to a Corvette or even a BMW 3 series.

I think you may be spot on. It is about stages of life. At some point I won't have the time/desire to wrench on a car, at least not on a regular basis. When that time comes then I'll just buy a fast car. Until that time comes I'll work on modifying other ones. My current car, for example, is fairly modified. I'm looking to buy a new one next year. One of my criteria is how easy it is to add more power.

And to further illustrate your point; I used to love building computers. Now, I could care less. I just want one that works and works well. I'd almost consider buying a Dell except that I really don't need to upgrade most of my current computer; a simple board/cpu/ram upgrade would keep me more then happy.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: LongAce
I guess there are different stages in each person life. Before, I could never afford to get a dell cause it's too expensive. Now that I can afford to get one, I would get a dell over anyone of my over clocked but together computers. Same thing goes for my car. I don?t have a very nice car, but I know when I see a Civic and it could be running in the 13s for all I care. It?s still a Civic and it?s nothing compared to a Corvette or even a BMW 3 series.

It's all about perceived value. Why go to the effort to build it yourself if you don't enjoy that and feel that it's easier to have someone build it for you? Who cares about the low price if you don't enjoy driving it? You still have to pay for it.
IMO, it's not life stages, it's just whatever you feel is more important. As most people get older though, they do start to realize that their time has value too. And more too. Your value system changes and becomes more than mere dollars, while at the same time you learn and seek to extract as much personal value from those things you acquire and pay for.

 

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: dawheat

Originally posted by: NFS4
Saw over at Scion Life regarding the tC's acceleration numbers in C&D:

Don't know if anyone has already posted about this but the tC has a test drive article in this month's Car and Driver mag. The write up has all good things to say about the tC....the only negative is that it is a little heavy. BUT....it shows a stock 0-60 tested time of 7.4 secs. and the 1/4 mile in 15.7. That is sick.....it notes in the article that the 0-60 time is 0.1 less than the 215 hp IS300. Its only 0.2 behind the IS in the 1/4 mile. It also stated it is faster that the Civic Si (0-60 in 8.0) I found that to be pretty impressive.....imagine how sweet it will be with the supercharger!?!? LIke i said...article had great things to say....high refinement...solid structure....potent engine...tons of features...and so on. It was good to finally read a review from a reputable source!

Auto shouldn't be too far behind. Probably 7.7 - 7.9

Terribly optimistic- small 4 bangers don't deal well with autos. With wider gearing, tourqe converter, slighly slower shifts, I'd expect a mid-8s run. Doesn't change the fact that its the best bang for the buck in the 16K range.

True, except it's not a "small" 4 banger. It's on the large side at 2.4 liters.

I'm going to have to agree with Brandon here - I myself prefer an auto. Not everyone needs to have a manual to feel like they're in control of the car or to squeeze out an extra .2 in the 1/4, which you probably aren't going to go to that often anyway.

Spoken like someone who's never driven a manual.
It's not about faster shifting better acceleration or speed.
Heck, I probably shift slower than the crappiest auto tranny out there, but I enjoy choosing my own gears and not having a power sapping torque converter between my engine and the wheels.
I also like saving $$, on cost of the car as well as at the pump :thumbsup:

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: psteng19
Spoken like someone who's never driven a manual.
It's not about faster shifting better acceleration or speed.
Heck, I probably shift slower than the crappiest auto tranny out there, but I enjoy choosing my own gears and not having a power sapping torque converter between my engine and the wheels.
I also like saving $$, on cost of the car as well as at the pump :thumbsup:

Don't forget saving money at the trans shop as well

 

[RagingBITCH]

Originally posted by: psteng19
Spoken like someone who's never driven a manual.
It's not about faster shifting better acceleration or speed.
Heck, I probably shift slower than the crappiest auto tranny out there, but I enjoy choosing my own gears and not having a power sapping torque converter between my engine and the wheels.
I also like saving $$, on cost of the car as well as at the pump :thumbsup:

Um, I have driven a manual, thanks for the lame assumption though. Not everyone cares about having "control" over a car. Why do I care about choosing my own gears when all I'm doing is driving from point A to point B? Does it make you feel like more of a man, or a driver in a normal car? Oh wait that's right, you shift slow - what do you really care?

Oh and yes, the HUGE MPG difference b/t an auto and manual is staggering.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: RagingBITCH

Originally posted by: psteng19
Spoken like someone who's never driven a manual.
It's not about faster shifting better acceleration or speed.
Heck, I probably shift slower than the crappiest auto tranny out there, but I enjoy choosing my own gears and not having a power sapping torque converter between my engine and the wheels.
I also like saving $$, on cost of the car as well as at the pump :thumbsup:

Um, I have driven a manual, thanks for the lame assumption though. Not everyone cares about having "control" over a car. Why do I care about choosing my own gears when all I'm doing is driving from point A to point B? Does it make you feel like more of a man, or a driver in a normal car? Oh wait that's right, you shift slow - what do you really care?

Oh and yes, the HUGE MPG difference b/t an auto and manual is staggering.

Manual tC -- 22 mpg / 29 mpg
Automatic tC -- 23 mpg / 30 mpg

HEHE

 

[m2kewl]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

But that's the fun of it. While they're not many in number, its not terribly hard to get a Civic to run 13's. I have more respect for the guy who knows how to build a fast car vs. the guy who goes and buys one. I can't deny that I'd love to have an M5 but then there'd be nothing for me to do but make the payments on it

who run a car stock? come on!

 

[NutBucket]

Originally posted by: m2kewl

Originally posted by: NutBucket

But that's the fun of it. While they're not many in number, its not terribly hard to get a Civic to run 13's. I have more respect for the guy who knows how to build a fast car vs. the guy who goes and buys one. I can't deny that I'd love to have an M5 but then there'd be nothing for me to do but make the payments on it

who run a car stock? come on!

Yeah yeah, I know.....

I like being different?

 

[KEV1N]

I saw 2 yesterday in real life and I must say that they look like quality. It definitely does not exude the 'cheap car' feel, at least from the outside. They could have easily put a Lexus badge on it and I'd believe it, if I didn't know anything about the car. The thing with it is, I can't figure out why it's so cheap. Where did they cut corners if it looks so good? Or is Toyota just taking a loss to boost the brand image?

 

[Chadder007]

Best thing to have is .... Steptronic/Triptronic/Manumatic/SMG transmission. The best of both worlds.

 

[Chadder007]

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: LongAce

Originally posted by: NutBucket

Originally posted by: LongAce
What I don't get is this. Why are these people going out buying a cheap ass car and then spending 30K on it to make it as fast as a 30K car? Why don't they just go get one of those nicers cars and not rush into getting one of these piece of cr*p.

'Cause its fun.

I have no doubt that it's fun but getting a 16K car and then adding all that sh*t to it to making faster. After all that's been done, they would go and try to race every single car which mostly cars that they couldn't afford. I'd laugh whenever I see a civic trying to race a corvette.

But that's the fun of it. While they're not many in number, its not terribly hard to get a Civic to run 13's. I have more respect for the guy who knows how to build a fast car vs. the guy who goes and buys one. I can't deny that I'd love to have an M5 but then there'd be nothing for me to do but make the payments on it

....but after all the things you would have to do to a Honda with turbos...interior upgrades...exterior upgrades... You will be paying out all of that money anyway, why not go ahead and spend it on something that already has all the goodies on it?

 

[CTrain]

Originally posted by: KEV1N
I saw 2 yesterday in real life and I must say that they look like quality. It definitely does not exude the 'cheap car' feel, at least from the outside. They could have easily put a Lexus badge on it and I'd believe it, if I didn't know anything about the car. The thing with it is, I can't figure out why it's so cheap. Where did they cut corners if it looks so good? Or is Toyota just taking a loss to boost the brand image?

Toyota is aiming this car toward the tuner crowd and hoping to make money off the aftermarket parts.
Their research shows that owners of the car will spent $1000+ on aftermarket parts.

 

[CTrain]

Yeah and Car and Driver tested the Corolla XRS 0-60 @ 7.1
How accurate are these numbers now ??
Those are not realistic numbers.
They even said that, quote:
"Of course, the engine and six-speed-transmission module also shares the usual Toyota 2ZZ testing conundrum, where it drops off the high-lift cam at every upshift, forcing the engine to rev back up to the 6000-rpm (or thereabouts) switch point before starting the frenetic burst of energy that will carry it to its 8200-rpm redline and the next gear. (Honda gear ratios keep the hot cam on the job throughout redline acceleration runs.)

So if on every shift, they had to get it back to "lift" and they still got 7.1 ??
Maybe they were still only on 2nd @60 ??
I'm pretty sure someone will be able to change it to where you can shift and still stay above the 6000rpm.

 

[SuperTool]

OK, I testdrove it today finally.
Impressions: Overall nice car for the money, but not without it's quirks.
Good: Seats are supportive, Interior is well designed and functional, sunroof is nice and wide, appearance, smooth ride, quiet inside. Superb feel of opening and closing doors and trunk lid. Nifty reclining rear seats.
Bad: Dash is made of rubber, not vinyl. Dash strokers may be disappointed Vents look nice, but have separate adjustment for horizontal and vertical, which is stupid. It's much easier with just one knob that you can move in 2D. Bad headroom due to sunroof even with seats low. It's a porker, accelerates gutless with auto. Handling so so. Not bad, but disconnected.Terrible visibility rear side and surprisingly even front. Huge A-Pillar (safety?) makes it feel like you are looking out through binoculars. The trunk cover is kinda flimsy. Sunroof only opens about 3/4ths of the way. No one touch sunroof, and I also couldn't find the trunk opener button inside.
Salesman did let me drive it without him, so that was nice. However when I came back, he went out to lunch, so I gave the key to the manager and left.
Also, don't get Flint Mica unless you want to have same color as everyone. There were 3 tC's parked prepped for customer delivery, all 3 Flint Mica.
Bottom line is I liked Mazda 3s hatch testdrive more. But it costs more when optioned out same way, and center console is slightly better with tC. My biggest beef with tC is headroom and huge A-pillars. Now I am confused about what to get

 

[psteng19]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
OK, I testdrove it today finally.
Impressions: Overall nice car for the money, but not without it's quirks.
Good: Seats are supportive, Interior is well designed and functional, sunroof is nice and wide, appearance, smooth ride, quiet inside. Superb feel of opening and closing doors and trunk lid. Nifty reclining rear seats.
Bad: Dash is made of rubber, not vinyl. Dash strokers may be disappointed Vents look nice, but have separate adjustment for horizontal and vertical, which is stupid. It's much easier with just one knob that you can move in 2D. Bad headroom due to sunroof even with seats low. It's a porker, accelerates gutless with auto. Handling so so. Not bad, but disconnected.Terrible visibility rear side and surprisingly even front. Huge A-Pillar (safety?) makes it feel like you are looking out through binoculars. The trunk cover is kinda flimsy. Sunroof only opens about 3/4ths of the way. No one touch sunroof, and I also couldn't find the trunk opener button inside.
Salesman did let me drive it without him, so that was nice. However when I came back, he went out to lunch, so I gave the key to the manager and left.
Also, don't get Flint Mica unless you want to have same color as everyone. There were 3 tC's parked prepped for customer delivery, all 3 Flint Mica.
Bottom line is I liked Mazda 3s hatch testdrive more. But it costs more when optioned out same way, and center console is slightly better with tC. My biggest beef with tC is headroom and huge A-pillars. Now I am confused about what to get

Get a Maxima!

Did NFS4 ever end up getting the tC?

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: psteng19

Originally posted by: SuperTool
OK, I testdrove it today finally.
Impressions: Overall nice car for the money, but not without it's quirks.
Good: Seats are supportive, Interior is well designed and functional, sunroof is nice and wide, appearance, smooth ride, quiet inside. Superb feel of opening and closing doors and trunk lid. Nifty reclining rear seats.
Bad: Dash is made of rubber, not vinyl. Dash strokers may be disappointed Vents look nice, but have separate adjustment for horizontal and vertical, which is stupid. It's much easier with just one knob that you can move in 2D. Bad headroom due to sunroof even with seats low. It's a porker, accelerates gutless with auto. Handling so so. Not bad, but disconnected.Terrible visibility rear side and surprisingly even front. Huge A-Pillar (safety?) makes it feel like you are looking out through binoculars. The trunk cover is kinda flimsy. Sunroof only opens about 3/4ths of the way. No one touch sunroof, and I also couldn't find the trunk opener button inside.
Salesman did let me drive it without him, so that was nice. However when I came back, he went out to lunch, so I gave the key to the manager and left.
Also, don't get Flint Mica unless you want to have same color as everyone. There were 3 tC's parked prepped for customer delivery, all 3 Flint Mica.
Bottom line is I liked Mazda 3s hatch testdrive more. But it costs more when optioned out same way, and center console is slightly better with tC. My biggest beef with tC is headroom and huge A-pillars. Now I am confused about what to get

Get a Maxima!

Did NFS4 ever end up getting the tC?

I have a Maxima now. I may get a 2003

 

[EvilYoda]

Sorry to bump the thread, but I didn't want to start yet ANOTHER Scion thread...has anybody been at the dealer looking for a lease? I know I know, leasing is the terms of the devil, but it's just what I'm looking for right now. I can get employee discounts on all of the big 3, but the Scion would be just like everybody else...just wondering how much a lease is.

Thanks