Finally more solid ATI 2600/2400 info

[imported_Com80787]

http://www.dailytech.com/More+ATI+Radeo...+2400+Details+Unveiled/article7117.htm

Not so impressed by that chart...

 

[nullpointerus]

Ouch!

I was hoping AMD would make a 256-bit HD2600 with some muscle to take on the lackluster 8600.

Apparently, that's not going to happen.

 

[mooncancook]

Looks like your best bet for mid-range part would be something like 2900Pro

 

[Nightmare225]

Who honestly was expecting ATI to bring out a midrange/lowrange that would be excellent after what we've seen the last 2 generations?
*Crickets*

Thought so.

 

[Zstream]

With the DDR4 the memory interface requirements goes much lower. It will still have an insane amount of bandwith.

The midrange I would expect to be the 2900XL

-X2900XTX 1GB GDDR4
-X2900XT 512MB GDDR3
-X2900XL 512Mb GDDR3

 

[imported_Com80787]

All I can say is ATI prices better be very VERY competitive. And external power is required for mid-range cards according to that chart? That is deal breaker right there for me.

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Funny, FUDzilla says otherwise, and after the FUD fest that was the X2900XT benchmarks at DT, I am more inclined to believe mr Fraud than DT

ATI has a few new 65 nanometre cards planned for Q3 2007. One of the most interesting ones is the RV670, a 65 nanometre mainstream core with 256 bit memory interface. This card is scheduled to replace the RV570 or Radeon X1950 PRO cards.

ATI will brand this one as the Radeon HD 2900 PRO and the card is based on the RV670 core manufactured at 65 nanometre. The card comes with 512 MB of memory and DAAMIT doesn't plan to introduce this card on the 14th, as it will wait till the card is ready.

We heard that it might be some showcase of beta cards at Computex. So if Nvidia launches a 256 bit version of G84, ATI will have something to fight it with.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Funny, FUDzilla says otherwise, and after the FUD fest that was the X2900XT benchmarks at DT, I am more inclined to believe mr Fraud than DT

ATI has a few new 65 nanometre cards planned for Q3 2007. One of the most interesting ones is the RV670, a 65 nanometre mainstream core with 256 bit memory interface. This card is scheduled to replace the RV570 or Radeon X1950 PRO cards.

ATI will brand this one as the Radeon HD 2900 PRO and the card is based on the RV670 core manufactured at 65 nanometre. The card comes with 512 MB of memory and DAAMIT doesn't plan to introduce this card on the 14th, as it will wait till the card is ready.

We heard that it might be some showcase of beta cards at Computex. So if Nvidia launches a 256 bit version of G84, ATI will have something to fight it with.

so what does this have to do with anything that was written on DT?

 

[Nightmare225]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Funny, FUDzilla says otherwise, and after the FUD fest that was the X2900XT benchmarks at DT, I am more inclined to believe mr Fraud than DT

ATI has a few new 65 nanometre cards planned for Q3 2007. One of the most interesting ones is the RV670, a 65 nanometre mainstream core with 256 bit memory interface. This card is scheduled to replace the RV570 or Radeon X1950 PRO cards.

ATI will brand this one as the Radeon HD 2900 PRO and the card is based on the RV670 core manufactured at 65 nanometre. The card comes with 512 MB of memory and DAAMIT doesn't plan to introduce this card on the 14th, as it will wait till the card is ready.

We heard that it might be some showcase of beta cards at Computex. So if Nvidia launches a 256 bit version of G84, ATI will have something to fight it with.

Seeing a pattern here? :laugh:

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: Com80787
All I can say is ATI prices better be very VERY competitive. And external power is required for mid-range cards according to that chart? That is deal breaker right there for me.

external power meaning not powered by the pci-e slot, so a pci-e connector. which you have, yes?

 

[imported_Com80787]

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: Com80787
All I can say is ATI prices better be very VERY competitive. And external power is required for mid-range cards according to that chart? That is deal breaker right there for me.

external power meaning not powered by the pci-e slot, so a pci-e connector. which you have, yes?

With the rumors of high power consumption I would not be surprised if external power to ATI means a power brick plugged in to the wall to power the card.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: Com80787

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: Com80787
All I can say is ATI prices better be very VERY competitive. And external power is required for mid-range cards according to that chart? That is deal breaker right there for me.

external power meaning not powered by the pci-e slot, so a pci-e connector. which you have, yes?

With the rumors of high power consumption I would not be surprised if external power to ATI means a power brick plugged in to the wall to power the card.

lol, maybe

 

[wazzledoozle]

Whats this PCI-E 2.0 BS? PCI-E x16 has WAY more bandwidth than any card today or very far into the future could possibly need.

 

[hooflung]

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
Whats this PCI-E 2.0 BS? PCI-E x16 has WAY more bandwidth than any card today or very far into the future could possibly need.

That doesn't sell motherboards tho. Shiney new bling bling stickers with unneccessary tech do sell motherboards.

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: hooflung

Originally posted by: wazzledoozle
Whats this PCI-E 2.0 BS? PCI-E x16 has WAY more bandwidth than any card today or very far into the future could possibly need.

That doesn't sell motherboards tho. Shiney new bling bling stickers with unneccessary tech do sell motherboards.

HELL YEAH! look at the 680i eVGA box!

 

[CrystalBay]

Pci-e 2 also means up to 150 watts to the slot instead of 75 watts .

Power limit redefinition -to redefine slot power limit values to accommodate devices that consume higher power

 

[ShadowOfMyself]

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Funny, FUDzilla says otherwise, and after the FUD fest that was the X2900XT benchmarks at DT, I am more inclined to believe mr Fraud than DT

ATI has a few new 65 nanometre cards planned for Q3 2007. One of the most interesting ones is the RV670, a 65 nanometre mainstream core with 256 bit memory interface. This card is scheduled to replace the RV570 or Radeon X1950 PRO cards.

ATI will brand this one as the Radeon HD 2900 PRO and the card is based on the RV670 core manufactured at 65 nanometre. The card comes with 512 MB of memory and DAAMIT doesn't plan to introduce this card on the 14th, as it will wait till the card is ready.

We heard that it might be some showcase of beta cards at Computex. So if Nvidia launches a 256 bit version of G84, ATI will have something to fight it with.

so what does this have to do with anything that was written on DT?

Err... Did you see the chart? According to that it is 128 bit, not 256... who to believe...

 

[golem]

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Funny, FUDzilla says otherwise, and after the FUD fest that was the X2900XT benchmarks at DT, I am more inclined to believe mr Fraud than DT

ATI has a few new 65 nanometre cards planned for Q3 2007. One of the most interesting ones is the RV670, a 65 nanometre mainstream core with 256 bit memory interface. This card is scheduled to replace the RV570 or Radeon X1950 PRO cards.

ATI will brand this one as the Radeon HD 2900 PRO and the card is based on the RV670 core manufactured at 65 nanometre. The card comes with 512 MB of memory and DAAMIT doesn't plan to introduce this card on the 14th, as it will wait till the card is ready.

We heard that it might be some showcase of beta cards at Computex. So if Nvidia launches a 256 bit version of G84, ATI will have something to fight it with.

so what does this have to do with anything that was written on DT?

Err... Did you see the chart? According to that it is 128 bit, not 256... who to believe...

eerrrrr... did you look at the chart? They don't list a RV670

 

[swtethan]

Originally posted by: golem

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself

Originally posted by: swtethan

Originally posted by: ShadowOfMyself
Funny, FUDzilla says otherwise, and after the FUD fest that was the X2900XT benchmarks at DT, I am more inclined to believe mr Fraud than DT

ATI has a few new 65 nanometre cards planned for Q3 2007. One of the most interesting ones is the RV670, a 65 nanometre mainstream core with 256 bit memory interface. This card is scheduled to replace the RV570 or Radeon X1950 PRO cards.

ATI will brand this one as the Radeon HD 2900 PRO and the card is based on the RV670 core manufactured at 65 nanometre. The card comes with 512 MB of memory and DAAMIT doesn't plan to introduce this card on the 14th, as it will wait till the card is ready.

We heard that it might be some showcase of beta cards at Computex. So if Nvidia launches a 256 bit version of G84, ATI will have something to fight it with.

so what does this have to do with anything that was written on DT?

Err... Did you see the chart? According to that it is 128 bit, not 256... who to believe...

eerrrrr... did you look at the chart? They don't list a RV670

yeah 2900 vs 2600

 

[AnotherGuy]

Ok Question:

Do these PCI-E 2.0 cards require motherboards with Pci-E 2.0 slots or they can work on reg pci_E 16 slots as well?

Coz if they do require new slots then the fck with AMD...

 

[CrystalBay]

yes they require pci-e 2 slot, or they require the normal 6 pin plug that we ,(or I) have been using.

or 4 pin molex to 6 pin connector on a separate psu rail.

sorry

 

[AnotherGuy]

Originally posted by: CrystalBay
yes they require pci-e 2 slot, or they require the normal 6 pin plug that we ,(or I) have been using.

or 4 pin molex to 6 pin connector on a separate psu rail.

sorry

I asked do they require a new slot of pcie 2.0 and u said yes... dont say that thats a bad word... that YEs of urs almost got me flying of the window

 

[apoppin]

http://uk.theinquirer.net/?article=39540

.. .Radeon HD 2600XT ... is based on a 65nm RV630 chip and is accompanied with 256MB of ultra-fast GDDR4 memory from Samsung.

Since this is very first 65nm graphics chip in the world, we decided to show you the chip first. As far as we know, this chip packs serious number of trannies, little less than 400 million. All of this is packed in 13x11mm, or 143-4-5mm2... manufactured in TSMC's fab in Taiwan, of course.

As we all know, Nvidia managed to pack only 32 scalar shaders in its own chip, which measures 169mm2. Thanks to 65nm process, AMD managed to get RV630 in smaller size than a G84 chip, but offers vastly higher number of scalar shaders - 120 compared to 32. Nothing to be sneezed at. Given the fact that OEMs are telling us that the whole board consumes around 40-45W, you can imagine that Graphzilla of Satan Clara fame is worried. Worried a lot...

This is not the final production chip, however. The reason Henri Richard was wrong when he was promised simultaneous and hard launch of the complete Radeon HD2000 series (can you say "10 products" again?) in front of whole analyst corps was the fact that both RV610 and RV630 need another respin. The boards will be ready just after Computex, with availability to follow at the very end of June ...

As we wrote above, the RV630XT eats up 40-45W, and this leaves around 30W to play with. We're certain that factory overclocked boards will feature this additional power connector, but then, with two-slot or even water-cooling block, it is not hard to imagine what would 100W headroom offer. Our sources are telling us that these chips are happy campers when it comes to overclocking, only real issue at hand is getting them to run stable. As it is right now, chips are either perfectly stable, or not stable at all.

Board we had was clocked to 799.84 MHz for the GPU and 1100 MHz DDR for the memory, e.g 2.2 GHz... since GPU communicates with the memory via 128-bit user interface you will end up with 35.2 GB/s of theoretically available bandwidth. Yes, we know that RV670 will bring 256-bit memory interface to mainstream segment, but this is a story about RV630.

Sadly, it seems that software part did not get along well with the drivers in hand. We have tried on several different hardware configurations, both Windows XP and Vista - but to no avail. Drivers were not stable at all, and BSODs were often as rain in Blighty. Even though we had several different drivers, such as 8.31, 8.34, 8.37 and so on - we just could not get this thing to complete a single benchmark, especially favourites like synthetic 3DMark05 and 06. We did manage to get a score in Stalker, but it was so bad (8600GT level), that we decided to postpone the benchmark scores until we get a decent driver to test this card with...

This is where Graphzilla can start celebrating. While AMD has far better hardware on paper, and packs more power under the hood, the products are just not ready. High-end may be ready to fly of the shelves in a way that Nvidia could never deliver (we are getting reports of channel having more HD2900XT's than nV had in two of previous launches together), but mainstream and low-end are markets where the real money lies... and right now, nV is enjoying the ride of its life.

What we could tell from this prototype card is that it crashes in every test we tried, regardless of hardware combination. If it worked, it would be nice and not so loud - but it does heat up significantly, leading us to believe that GDDR-4 memory still has some problems. Joe Macri's GDDR-3 memory is constantly proving itself as the best memory standard in the history of 3D and further. DAAMIT is actually lucky to have this guy on their payroll. Meanwhile, GDDR-4 has higher latencies and heat dissipation, making it less-than-ideal choice for current batch of graphics cards. ...

lotsa pics too