Finally got my Ryzen 2400G APU up and running, overclocked, nice and snappy!

[VirtualLarry]

"While lower-end system builders can get away with the usually cheaper Single DIMM option on other platforms, that's simply not the case for gamers looking to really take advantage of the graphics on their R5 2400G."


I think the 2400G is a good value.
If I look at Micro Center pricing, the 1400 is $129.99 and the 2400G is 169.99, so you can look at it as the GPU being $40.
You can't get any dGPU for $40 that will do anything besides basic 2D output. The cheapest GT 1030 at Micro Center is $89.99. If you are lucky you might find an old Kepler card for $50 to $80 but those typically need 2 pci-e power connectors which means a pretty beefy power supply and lots of heat to deal with.
One chip that does it all without sucking down massive amounts of power is nice.

I do have 2x8GB DDR4-3000 Team Vulcan RAM in the other case, that I can pull out and put in the Gigabyte Gaming 3 board. I might just do that, to see if I can run XMP 2933 with them.

I am sorry, I might have to wait until next week some time for benchmarks. I want to do things right, and that will take a little time. Maybe I can dribble out a few later tonight or tomorrow, though.

 

[Herr Kutz]

Larry, I knew you had the courage to pick up a 2400g. We eagerly await your results.

 

[Hans Gruber]

Larry, could you run a CS:GO benchmark @ 1080P? That should give us a good indication of middle of the road gaming capabilities.

 

[Ranulf]

I don't think that this case will take one of my water-cooling kits, either.

If you mean a 240mm+ cooler, NE and the Zon have the coolermaster master liquid 120mm on sale for $49 (39 after rebate).

 

[whm1974]

If you mean a 240mm+ cooler, NE and the Zon have the coolermaster master liquid 120mm on sale for $49 (39 after rebate).

I think water the 2400G is a bit silly if you ask me.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Larry, could you run a CS:GO benchmark @ 1080P? That should give us a good indication of middle of the road gaming capabilities.

That's a free game on Steam, correct? Let me download that. I just purchased Ikaruga and Tekken 7 to try out. I'm really curious how T7PC fairs @ 4K60 on this APU.

Edit: I just played several hours of T7PC, mostly online. Granted, I haven't played the Tekken franchise for a few years, so I'm a little rusty, and this is basically my first time attempting to play T7 seriously.

Let's just say, that, APU gaming basically sucks. I mean, it LOOKS great, but frame-rate was... difficult.

Then again, I barely had any better advantage playing @ 1080P with Res. Scale 50%, and everything else set to Off or Low (and dynamic whatever set to On).

Around 15-18FPS during most fights, 60FPS during menus.

Granted, I'm only running single-channel DDR4-2667 RAM, so perhaps it plays better with dual-channel.

Though, I read on Ars's T7PC review, they got it running on an MS Surface. So surely I should be able to get it to play on this APU.

The CPU wasn't taxed all that much, if Task Manager was anything to go by once I exited the game.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I do have 2x8GB DDR4-3000 Team Vulcan RAM in the other case, that I can pull out and put in the Gigabyte Gaming 3 board. I might just do that, to see if I can run XMP 2933 with them.

Let me pull those out and pop them in, and try T7PC again.

Edit: Ok, with 2x8GB DDR4-3000 RAM, which the mobo claimed was actually running at 3000, and not at 2933 (Hmm?), and at 1080P Low/Off, Res. scale 50% (half res rendering), I was able to get 60FPS pretty easy. Of course, it looks kind of blocky like that, kind of like a PS2 game.

 

[Hans Gruber]

That's a free game on Steam, correct? Let me download that. I just purchased Ikaruga and Tekken 7 to try out. I'm really curious how T7PC fairs @ 4K60 on this APU.

Edit: I just played several hours of T7PC, mostly online. Granted, I haven't played the Tekken franchise for a few years, so I'm a little rusty, and this is basically my first time attempting to play T7 seriously.

Let's just say, that, APU gaming basically sucks. I mean, it LOOKS great, but frame-rate was... difficult.

Then again, I barely had any better advantage playing @ 1080P with Res. Scale 50%, and everything else set to Off or Low (and dynamic whatever set to On).

Around 15-18FPS during most fights, 60FPS during menus.

Granted, I'm only running single-channel DDR4-2667 RAM, so perhaps it plays better with dual-channel.

Though, I read on Ars's T7PC review, they got it running on an MS Surface. So surely I should be able to get it to play on this APU.

The CPU wasn't taxed all that much, if Task Manager was anything to go by once I exited the game.

Larry,
Every game will suck at 4K using any AMD APU. 1080P is really the gaming standard. You need a high end GPU to game @ 4K in games other than CS:GO calliber games.

 

[VirtualLarry]

I'm honestly a little confused here. I manually set my 2400G to a 3.900Ghz OC in the Gigabyte BIOS, and the iGPU to 1250, and the RAM to XMP Profile 1 (3000).

Yet, after my most recent testing session, this time I left HWMonitor open, and it shows me that all four of my APU's cores' frequency, went above 4.5Ghz???

 

[epsilon84]

That's a free game on Steam, correct? Let me download that. I just purchased Ikaruga and Tekken 7 to try out. I'm really curious how T7PC fairs @ 4K60 on this APU.

Edit: I just played several hours of T7PC, mostly online. Granted, I haven't played the Tekken franchise for a few years, so I'm a little rusty, and this is basically my first time attempting to play T7 seriously.

Let's just say, that, APU gaming basically sucks. I mean, it LOOKS great, but frame-rate was... difficult.

Then again, I barely had any better advantage playing @ 1080P with Res. Scale 50%, and everything else set to Off or Low (and dynamic whatever set to On).

[Around 15-18FPS during most fights, 60FPS during menus.

Granted, I'm only running single-channel DDR4-2667 RAM, so perhaps it plays better with dual-channel.

Though, I read on Ars's T7PC review, they got it running on an MS Surface. So surely I should be able to get it to play on this APU.

The CPU wasn't taxed all that much, if Task Manager was anything to go by once I exited the game.

When the APU is already bandwith constrained (relative to dGPUs) with dual channel DDR4-3200, you shouldn't expect single channel DDR4-2666 to play well... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSKNfZI3ons

With DC DDR4-3200 suddenly your 15 - 18fps turns into ~30fps. Still not a great gaming experience, but thats the difference between playable and unplayable right there.

 

[Herr Kutz]

That's a free game on Steam, correct? Let me download that. I just purchased Ikaruga and Tekken 7 to try out. I'm really curious how T7PC fairs @ 4K60 on this APU.

Edit: I just played several hours of T7PC, mostly online. Granted, I haven't played the Tekken franchise for a few years, so I'm a little rusty, and this is basically my first time attempting to play T7 seriously.

Let's just say, that, APU gaming basically sucks. I mean, it LOOKS great, but frame-rate was... difficult.

Then again, I barely had any better advantage playing @ 1080P with Res. Scale 50%, and everything else set to Off or Low (and dynamic whatever set to On).

Around 15-18FPS during most fights, 60FPS during menus.

Granted, I'm only running single-channel DDR4-2667 RAM, so perhaps it plays better with dual-channel.

Though, I read on Ars's T7PC review, they got it running on an MS Surface. So surely I should be able to get it to play on this APU.

The CPU wasn't taxed all that much, if Task Manager was anything to go by once I exited the game.

I'm curious about FPS on TF2.

 

[XavierMace]

I'm going to mess around with overclocking my 2200G a bit, I can see how CS:GO and TF2 fair on that. I know early game at least, Stellaris ran fine.

 

[Ranulf]

I think water the 2400G is a bit silly if you ask me.

Oh definately but this is a VL thread and those aio coolers are the same price as some air coolers right now.

 

[Herr Kutz]

I'm going to mess around with overclocking my 2200G a bit, I can see how CS:GO and TF2 fair on that. I know early game at least, Stellaris ran fine.

If you're feeling bored, I would also be interested in TF2 FPS (before overclocking) just to get a baseline comparison.

 

[krumme]

I even make sure my dual core i3-7 ultrabooks is running dual channel ram so they play old stuff okey!

Going single 2667 to eg dual 3200 on this strong apu will be a blast.

 

[whm1974]

Oh definately but this is a VL thread and those aio coolers are the same price as some air coolers right now.

I don't know if I would trust the cheap AIO water coolers Larry is using. Not knocking the 2400G, but my current rig is still good enough for another three years. So Ryzen 3 or 4 will be out by the time I build a new system.

 

[XavierMace]

Larry, could you run a CS:GO benchmark @ 1080P? That should give us a good indication of middle of the road gaming capabilities.

If you're feeling bored, I would also be interested in TF2 FPS (before overclocking) just to get a baseline comparison.

Yes, I'm suitably bored. Although Overclocking benchmarks are going to have to wait a bit.

R3 2200G (Stock Clocks, Stock Cooler)
Gigabyte AB350-N Gaming WiFi
2x4Gb Corsair Vengence LPX @ 3000mhz
Silverstone DS380 Case with Noctua iPPC 3k's

TF2 - 95fps Avg (1080p, High Model, High Texture, High Shader, Reflect World, High Shadow, AA Off, Trilinear Filtering, Full HDR). Seemed perfectly smooth both offline with bots and online casual.

CS:GO 90fps Average (1080p, Low everything, No AA, Trilinear Filtering). CS:GO was definitely struggling more than TF2.

Using the FPS Benchmark map off the workshop CS:GO stayed above 60fps, closer to 90fps until the smoke section. It absolutely tanked on the smoke dropping down to 8-10fps or so. Dropping settings from high down to minimum (still at 1080p) made very little difference on the smoke portion. With that said, looking at comments for that map on the workshop, that seems to be "normal". When playing a regular game, it definitely takes a hit when you pop a smoke grenade, but nothing like on that mod map. My brief regular game play (Italy with Bots) seems playable even when popping smoke, but I'd say it needs more testing.

I'm internally debating over cooling right now. This is my new HTPC so I'm not terribly concerned about overclocking. But I'm not fitting any tower cooler in that case, but I could get a AIO in it.

Edit: OK, this one really caught me off guard. Warframe @ 720p was able to stay at 60fps. I'm impressed with that one.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Thanks for the benchmarks @XavierMace ! Hopefully I can get to a few more this week, I do have some appts, and I didn't get much sleep last night, after valiantly trying to win a few online matches, before I familiarized myself with the nuances of Tekken 7's characters.

PS. Trying to do a double God-Fist with Kaz with a mushy pad, is a no-go for me. Need to invest in a "real" stick to play this game to potential. (Always pretty-much used a stick before on PS2/3/4/etc.)

Edit: Might just be me, though. I'm not in my 20s anymore, I'm about double that, and I haven't played seriously in a few years. Maybe as many as 8-10.

Edit: Btw, just web browsing on this box, dayum son, this thing is SPEEDY! 3.9Ghz OCed, 1250Mhz OCed iGPU, dual-channel DDR4-3000 RAM, suh-weet.

It may not play games as well as a dGPU does (for certain definitions of "play"), but for an all-around / pr0n-box (* with apologies to a certain member, I'm stealing his line), this APU is KILLER. (*)

(*) That is, if you can make it through the early-adopter / mobo-selection / BIOS-flashing gauntlet, to get a working Windows 10 1709 system going. Tread carefully, and listen to the words of the elder geeks that have gone before you. Yeah, watch some YouTube vids about Raven Ridge too, very educational.

I can vouch, at least, that the Gigabyte B350M Gaming 3 micro-ATX mobo WORKS with Raven Ridge, with BIOS F21. Mine was bought in early Feb. 2018, and shipped with F6 BIOS, so it acted "dead", until I booted it with a Ryzen 1000-series CPU, and flashed the BIOS..

For people that are less than uber-geeks that don't have spare Ryzen CPUs laying around, then I suggest waiting to purchase until more mobos in the channel have updated BIOSes (they should have a sticker "Ryzen 2000 Series CPU Ready!", I think), or wait for the 400-series chipset mobos, which should in theory be GUARANTEED to have a Raven Ridge, as well as Pinnacle Ridge -compatible BIOS onboard. But that means waiting until probably mid/late April 2018, which many people who are lusting for a sweet box like this one may not want to wait for.

Edit: Even if one want to go with a dGPU with this APU, I don't think that would be so bad. I haven't tested, but keep in mind the x8 lane PCI-E restriction on the AM4 APUs, as compared to the x16 lanes of the CPUs. That said, the 2400G is in a similar price bracket to the fire-saled R5 1600 6C/12T CPUs, so selecting one of the two may be difficult. My belief is that the 2400G comes clocked higher out of the gate, and IF my HWMonitor screen is accurate, MAY be able to OC as far as 4.5Ghz! (Remember, this is supposedly 14nm+ GF process.) (If you are doing video editing, I would go with the 1600, due to the increased thread count, and increased L3 cache size. In fact, I would go further, I would go for an 1800X on sale for $300, if you were a serious video editor, or maybe even TR.)

Let's hope that the "sales" on the 2400G continue, and that the "street price" of them, on a good sale, hovers around $150 or below. MSRP of $170 seems a tiny bit pricey to me, just for 3 more iGPU CUs, and SMT enabled.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Thing is the 2400G is priced to closely to the 1600, and should have been 130-140 dollars instead.

I agree, somewhat. Let's hope OEMs get the for that price or less.

I can see this APU DOMINATING branded OEM lineups in a 6-12 months. Move over i5-7400, here comes something Meaner!

 

[ericlp]

I actually sold my intel chip, was looking at going with the 2400G, but with AMD releasing the zen2 all with built in GPU....

Why not wait a month and see what comes out?

Kinda looking at the 2800X, 12/24 threads ... with 38CUs of Vega graphics... We'll see if indeed amd baked in some graphics goodness with next zen2.

If not, I'll probably end up getting a 2400G.

I was wondering at full load of all cores... How's the noise level of the stock cpu cooler? What kinda temp readings do you get?

Thanks

 

[B-Riz]

I actually sold my intel chip, was looking at going with the 2400G, but with AMD releasing the zen2 all with built in GPU....

Why not wait a month and see what comes out?

Kinda looking at the 2800X, 12/24 threads ... with 38CUs of Vega graphics... We'll see if indeed amd baked in some graphics goodness with next zen2.

If not, I'll probably end up getting a 2400G.

I was wondering at full load of all cores... How's the noise level of the stock cpu cooler? What kinda temp readings do you get?

Thanks

AFAIK only 2200G and 2400G have the Vega on board, the Zen+ refresh will not.

Updates to the G series will not happen until next year, is my guess.

 

[formulav8]

I actually sold my intel chip, was looking at going with the 2400G, but with AMD releasing the zen2 all with built in GPU....

No one knows if Zen2 will add an IGP above 4 core cpu's. Zen+ won't have an IGP. Only 2200g & 2400g.

 

[whm1974]

No one knows if Zen2 will add an IGP above 4 core cpu's. Zen+ won't have an IGP. Only 2200g & 2400g.

Personally I think AMD should move to 6 to 8 cores per CCX with 7nm.That should be doable right?

 

[VirtualLarry]

(From a Newegg review of the 2200G

Pros: fortnite ryzen 2200g expect at 720p 70-75 fps on medium settings 1080p rcprvy 31 fps at medium settings
overwatch ryzen 2200g 720p medium settings 93 fps 1080p 52 fps
overwatch ryzen 2400g 720p medium settings 98 fps 1080p 59 fps
counterstrike global ryzen 2200g 720p high settings 214 fps 1080p 138 fps
counterstrrike global ryzen 2400g 720p high settings 187 fps 1080p 156 fps
pubg ryzen 2200g 1080p low settings 36 fps
pubg ryzen 2400g 1080p low settings 33 fps
rocket league 50 fps 1080p
if you wish to know any other games check rx 550 2gb performance in any game its roughly the same
this is a perfect cpu for world of wacraft as well

Cons: 0 this is a amazing budget cpu/gpu alternative

 

[XavierMace]

(From a Newegg review of the 2200G

Pros: fortnite ryzen 2200g expect at 720p 70-75 fps on medium settings 1080p rcprvy 31 fps at medium settings
overwatch ryzen 2200g 720p medium settings 93 fps 1080p 52 fps
overwatch ryzen 2400g 720p medium settings 98 fps 1080p 59 fps
counterstrike global ryzen 2200g 720p high settings 214 fps 1080p 138 fps
counterstrrike global ryzen 2400g 720p high settings 187 fps 1080p 156 fps
pubg ryzen 2200g 1080p low settings 36 fps
pubg ryzen 2400g 1080p low settings 33 fps
rocket league 50 fps 1080p
if you wish to know any other games check rx 550 2gb performance in any game its roughly the same
this is a perfect cpu for world of wacraft as well

Cons: 0 this is a amazing budget cpu/gpu alternative

I'd take that with a grain of salt, especially on his CS:GO numbers, extra especially since he's showing the 2200G being faster than the 2400G. As I mentioned my averages were completely acceptable on CS:GO. But the minimums were a different story.