Finally got my 940BE

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
I still firmly believe that F@H isn't utilizing the appropriate Phenom II SSE instruction set as opposed to what's available on Intel chips.

:shocked: Say what!? Codepaths more optimized to extract performance out of one architecture versus another? Heresy, unthinkable, why the mere suggestion is ludicrous.

I agree with you.

But yeah look at it from the developers standpoint. At this point in time would you rather spend more of your time optimizing your program for extracting more performance from GPU's, Intel x86, or AMD x86?

I'd be surprised if much optimization work is still being put into the Intel CPU's to be honest. Those guys know where the work units come from, GPU optimization FTW.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: SunnyD
I still firmly believe that F@H isn't utilizing the appropriate Phenom II SSE instruction set as opposed to what's available on Intel chips.

:shocked: Say what!? Codepaths more optimized to extract performance out of one architecture versus another? Heresy, unthinkable, why the mere suggestion is ludicrous.

I agree with you.

But yeah look at it from the developers standpoint. At this point in time would you rather spend more of your time optimizing your program for extracting more performance from GPU's, Intel x86, or AMD x86?

I'd be surprised if much optimization work is still being put into the Intel CPU's to be honest. Those guys know where the work units come from, GPU optimization FTW.

Chicken or the egg? Mark might buy more Ph2's if FAH > Intel FAH.

Mark can I see your FAH user profile? I presume you fold for yourself and not a team. I'd like to see how many work units you put out vs my 3.4Ghz e2180.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: SunnyD
I still firmly believe that F@H isn't utilizing the appropriate Phenom II SSE instruction set as opposed to what's available on Intel chips.

:shocked: Say what!? Codepaths more optimized to extract performance out of one architecture versus another? Heresy, unthinkable, why the mere suggestion is ludicrous.

I agree with you.

But yeah look at it from the developers standpoint. At this point in time would you rather spend more of your time optimizing your program for extracting more performance from GPU's, Intel x86, or AMD x86?

I'd be surprised if much optimization work is still being put into the Intel CPU's to be honest. Those guys know where the work units come from, GPU optimization FTW.

Chicken or the egg? Mark might buy more Ph2's if FAH > Intel FAH.

Mark can I see your FAH user profile? I presume you fold for yourself and not a team. I'd like to see how many work units you put out vs my 3.4Ghz e2180.

Just look up Mark_F_Williams, team 198 (Team Anandtech) I have at least 36 clients running, and an number 36 in the world for F@H. Currently 33,040 WU's total.

As for indiv, look at the PPD reported Just look here, and it describes the PPD for each client I haveand the speed, etc...These are all in my house.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Just look up Mark_F_Williams, team 198 (Team Anandtech) I have at least 36 clients running, and an number 36 in the world for F@H. Currently 33,040 WU's total.

As for indiv, look at the PPD reported Just look here, and it describes the PPD for each client I haveand the speed, etc...These are all in my house.

36th in the world!? Weak dude, mega-weak. Can't get it up to break into top-10?

You, sir, are a freak of computing nature :shocked: :beer: I knew you had WU's coming out the wazzu, but not that many!

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Nope. I give up. Nobody believes me, fine. Their loss. But that's why I buy hardware, so I can talk from personal experience, not just reading some article on the web...

LOL...

welcome to my world.

I even go down as far as taking pictures, and using real testing software to get down final overclock.

And still they dont believe me.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: aigomorla
welcome to my world.

I even go down...

And still they dont believe me.

Aigo, your level of commitment and sacrifice is unquestioned, we believe you :laugh:

(lord forgive me, that's not right what I did right there, this is a family site...)

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Just look up Mark_F_Williams, team 198 (Team Anandtech) I have at least 36 clients running, and an number 36 in the world for F@H. Currently 33,040 WU's total.

As for indiv, look at the PPD reported Just look here, and it describes the PPD for each client I haveand the speed, etc...These are all in my house.

36th in the world!? Weak dude, mega-weak. Can't get it up to break into top-10?

You, sir, are a freak of computing nature :shocked: :beer: I knew you had WU's coming out the wazzu, but not that many!

35th If you look here.....

 

[BLaber]

Another thread DERAILED. This thread was not meant for F@H discussion , even MODS don't realize and post on the same.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: Markfw900
Just look up Mark_F_Williams, team 198 (Team Anandtech) I have at least 36 clients running, and an number 36 in the world for F@H. Currently 33,040 WU's total.

As for indiv, look at the PPD reported Just look here, and it describes the PPD for each client I haveand the speed, etc...These are all in my house.

36th in the world!? Weak dude, mega-weak. Can't get it up to break into top-10?

You, sir, are a freak of computing nature :shocked: :beer: I knew you had WU's coming out the wazzu, but not that many!

35th If you look here.....

WOW! That's _awesome_. You sir win a power plant, some internet, and some gene therapy.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: BLaber
Another thread DERAILED. This thread was not meant for F@H discussion , even MODS don't realize and post on the same.

I was answering a request from a poster....

Sorry to the OP, I didn;t mean to derail, but ignoring posts is also not nice. I think I have contributed a lot to the OPs question.....

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: BLaber
Another thread DERAILED. This thread was not meant for F@H discussion , even MODS don't realize and post on the same.

I was answering a request from a poster....

Sorry to the OP, I didn;t mean to derail, but ignoring posts is also not nice. I think I have contributed a lot to the OPs question.....

:thumbsup:

 

[Rhoxed]

I didn't have a question I believe, but interesting read none the less!

Mark, your knowledge of computers and everything you know/ do for the community astounds me.

Your right PHII is not as good for folding, I will also admit I lean towards AMD (open reasons, and i was seriously considering an i7, i just couldn't afford it yet)
As for me, I'm 21 year old "kid" that really does not need the computing power i have or as many systems as i have. But i take pride in everything i buy, be it my house, my TV, stereo's, car, and computer systems.
I work hard for what i have (as im sure you have earned what you have) I got promoted to head chef where i work (huge deal for someone as young as i am without having a HS diploma...) So i bought this system in high hopes after being so disspointed by the 9850BE early last year.

As for me, im 100% satisfied from the 940BE, and i am looking forward to an intel rig soon.

Maybe then i will start folding!?

 

[Rhoxed]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
Sounds like me OP. Infact, almost identical. My 9850 would only hit 2.8 stable in my current board that uses a SB600. I could boot at 2.9GHz but benches would fail, at 3GHz Windows would lock up hard as I got to the desktop.

My PhII 940 seems to be happily churning along at 3.7GHz / 1.5v right now. I've gotten higher, but not stable and not at temps/voltages I like.

I gotta wonder how much this SB600 is holding me back with this PhII 940 now that I see what your 9850 will do in a better board. Who knows, maybe 4GHz would be possible in a better board... but, I can't see spending the money for a few hundred more MHz even though I really want to. I guess I'll just have to live with ~3.7GHz.

Anybody testing these chips with the uncore clock speed changed? I would think with the uncore at 1.8GHz as the cores increase in speed there'd be a point where the uncore is holding performance back.

I will let you know how the SB750 board affects overclocking of the 940BE,
also yes i have overclocked the Northbridge speed, i was running at 3.75/ 2.45 on the NB and only 2 3870's for this run of 3dmark06
http://service.futuremark.com/...10034413&resultType=14

Notice the 5K cpu score, i had to run at 3.9Ghz to get the same 5K using only multipliers and leaving the NB stock

 

[rogue1979]

So preliminary results show the Phenom II can overclock easily on a non-SB750 motherboard?

Wow, if that's true we could have a new bang for the buck champion. I'm hoping a a few weeks or maybe a month or two the X3 710 will drop below the $100 mark. Put that on a less than $50 motherboard (i.e. BIOSTAR MCP6P-M2+ $45) and hit the 4GHz mark.

This would be an excellent option to the E8xxx, cheaper and faster for gaming.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: rogue1979
So preliminary results show the Phenom II can overclock easily on a non-SB750 motherboard?

Wow, if that's true we could have a new bang for the buck champion. I'm hoping a a few weeks or maybe a month or two the X3 710 will drop below the $100 mark. Put that on a less than $50 motherboard (i.e. BIOSTAR MCP6P-M2+ $45) and hit the 4GHz mark.

This would be an excellent option to the E8xxx, cheaper and faster for gaming.

Yes,no....First, The 940 BE is multiplier unlocked, and that makes it easy. Second, percentage wise, it still falls way below Intel for overclocking. Third, it still looses in speed at the same clock rate.

BUT, for a $~200+-40 chip,its at least in the ballpark performance wise, depending on the software that you run compared to Intel.

 

[rogue1979]

Yes,no....First, The 940 BE is multiplier unlocked, and that makes it easy. Second, percentage wise, it still falls way below Intel for overclocking. Third, it still looses in speed at the same clock rate.

I was comparing the X3 Phenom II to the C2D E8xxx.

The X3 looks like it will hit 4GHz just as easily as the E8xxx.

Already cheaper, if the price drops to $100 or below it will be even less than the E7xxx.

X3 Phenom II is faster than the wolfdale at similar clock speeds.

Due to the multiplier on most E7xxx and E8xxx, you have to invest in a motherboard
that can run a decent fsb which will cost more than what is needed for the X3.

You could go the E5200 + $50 motherboard route which is a great value. But overclocking with the average 3.3-3.8GHz it will not be nearly as fast as the X3 Phenom II @ 4GHz+ (especially with only 2MB L2 cache vs. E7xxx 3MB or E8xxx 6MB).

 

[cusideabelincoln]

And.... the Phenom II X3s have an extra core over C2Ds.

 

[SlowSpyder]

The x3's are really an interesting option. When the x3's first came out I think everyone just saw them as a defective version of a chip that already was unimpressive with 4 cores. But now, with the PhII, the x3's are a pretty attractive option for some. Depending on what you do that extra core could really be useful. And I don't want to get into future proffing too much as you can never tell whats going to happen, but assuming software does become more multithreaded I would think the x3 would have an advantage over it's dual core competition from Intel.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: SlowSpyder
The x3's are really an interesting option. When the x3's first came out I think everyone just saw them as a defective version of a chip that already was unimpressive with 4 cores. But now, with the PhII, the x3's are a pretty attractive option for some. Depending on what you do that extra core could really be useful. And I don't want to get into future proffing too much as you can never tell whats going to happen, but assuming software does become more multithreaded I would think the x3 would have an advantage over it's dual core competition from Intel.

By then the competition will be 45nm X3 vs. 32nm Clarkdale with 2cores but 4 threads.

It will be interesting to see which desktop applications prove out to do better when given 3 cores of pure hardware goodness versus 4 threads of performance but doubled-up in some aspects for hardware sharing.

In all cases I doubt the performance/watt crown is going home with the 45nm chips.

Now were that leaves price/performance is up to Intel and AMD. (and TFC isn't going to give these chips to AMD for free either)

Right now future proofing seems to be buying a bank CD and hoping your 0.5% APR beats inflation :laugh:

 

[Rhoxed]

The x3's are looking nice, i recently built a friend of mine an E8400 + gtx 260 that performs very nice (8400 at 3.8ghz)
another friend of mine is looking to get the PHII x3 so it will be interesting to compare the 2