Finally got an answer to my question...

[Pliablemoose]

Ran across "the hybrid mechanic guy" for a Toyota dealership replacement cost for gen II hybrid batteries $5K

So how does the math on the fuel savings calculate out if you keep your hybrid past the lifespan of the batteries again???

 

[bonkers325]

sell and buy a new one

 

[Martin]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Ran across "the hybrid mechanic guy" for a Toyota dealership replacement cost for gen II hybrid batteries $5K

So how does the math on the fuel savings calculate out if you keep your hybrid past the lifespan of the batteries again???

you know a lot of people buy them because they are eco-friendly, right? Money saved from fuel savings don't really come into their math at all.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Ran across "the hybrid mechanic guy" for a Toyota dealership replacement cost for gen II hybrid batteries $5K

So how does the math on the fuel savings calculate out if you keep your hybrid past the lifespan of the batteries again???

If you drive like how most people do, you will never save money. Buying a hybrid isn't about saving money it is about helping the environment.

We need to do more research on alternative fuels, we need to stop using polluting oil as fuel. We need to creat a goverment owned company to research alternative fuels and provide this fuel. This should be a top priority.

 

[Bozono]

Between the manufacture and disposal of those batteries, I'd be willing to bet Hybrids create more pollution than most new gas only econo-cars in the end. Whoops.

 

[sygyzy]

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Ran across "the hybrid mechanic guy" for a Toyota dealership replacement cost for gen II hybrid batteries $5K

So how does the math on the fuel savings calculate out if you keep your hybrid past the lifespan of the batteries again???

you know a lot of people buy them because they are eco-friendly, right? Money saved from fuel savings don't really come into their math at all.

Completely true. How long will it take for people to understand this?

 

[ironcrotch]

I'd buy a hybrid for the same reason I'm looking into a diesel. Not for saving money on gas, if that were the case I'd get a small hb that gets 30mpg. But its the environmental impact that you like about them.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Bozono
Between the manufacture and disposal of those batteries, I'd be willing to bet Hybrids create more pollution than most new gas only econo-cars in the end. Whoops.

Ignorance must be bliss.

Yeah. I'm sure the miniscule number of batteries produced for hybrids far outstrips the manufacture of regular lead-acid batteries for normal cars. :roll:

Christ people, use your heads.

A (lead-acid) battery is plastic, lead plates and a mixture of distilled water and sulpheric acid. Not exactly the hardest thing on the planet to recycle; we've been doing it for years and years.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: sygyzy

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Ran across "the hybrid mechanic guy" for a Toyota dealership replacement cost for gen II hybrid batteries $5K

So how does the math on the fuel savings calculate out if you keep your hybrid past the lifespan of the batteries again???

you know a lot of people buy them because they are eco-friendly, right? Money saved from fuel savings don't really come into their math at all.

Completely true. How long will it take for people to understand this?

:thumbsup:

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Ran across "the hybrid mechanic guy" for a Toyota dealership replacement cost for gen II hybrid batteries $5K

So how does the math on the fuel savings calculate out if you keep your hybrid past the lifespan of the batteries again???

What all the others said, plus, although they have guaranteed the batteries for 8 years, no one really knows quite how long they'll last in real life.

And, lol, people will spend $2,000 for a nav system they don't really need or a similar amount for that moonroof/leather seating/courtesy light combo without blinking an eye, but spending an additional $1,000 on top of that for cutting edge fuel saving tehcnology that you may only make back 80% of, OMGWTFNEOCONBBQOUTRAGEONE11ONE !! :Q

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Ran across "the hybrid mechanic guy" for a Toyota dealership replacement cost for gen II hybrid batteries $5K

So how does the math on the fuel savings calculate out if you keep your hybrid past the lifespan of the batteries again???

What all the others said, plus, although they have guaranteed the batteries for 8 years, no one really knows quite how long they'll last in real life.

And, lol, people will spend $2,000 for a nav system they don't really need or a similar amount for that moonroof/leather seating/courtesy light combo without blinking an eye, but spending an additional $1,000 on top of that for cutting edge fuel saving tehcnology that you may only make back 80% of, OMGWTFNEOCONBBQOUTRAGEONE11ONE !! :Q

Yeah, with extremely low depth of discharges and proper maintenance the batteries could easily last 15+ years.

 

[sygyzy]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: sygyzy

Originally posted by: Martin

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Ran across "the hybrid mechanic guy" for a Toyota dealership replacement cost for gen II hybrid batteries $5K

So how does the math on the fuel savings calculate out if you keep your hybrid past the lifespan of the batteries again???

you know a lot of people buy them because they are eco-friendly, right? Money saved from fuel savings don't really come into their math at all.

Completely true. How long will it take for people to understand this?

:thumbsup:

To clarify, the *people* I am referring to are the hybrid bashers. There are even satire articles written making fun of hybrid drivers as being stupid and pointing out that in the long run, you the premium you pay for the car is not made up for by the cost in fuel. NO ****** Sherlock. You think anyone is that dumb? Stop patting yourselves on the back and get over yourselves. I wholly support the hybrid movement and hope to see more of it.

 

[Cristatus]

What percentage of power stations are still using some kind fossil fuels.

What percentage of power stations are using a renewable-energy.

What percentage of those power stations (using renewable-energy) are doing so without effecting nature in a big way (e.g.: HEPs cause so much disruption to the environment [flooding land, moving settlements, etc.])

What is the point of using electricity, found in batteries? Aren't we still going to have to dispose of these batteries some where? Or are they rechargable?



Just some questions I wanted asking (sorry if the thread is hijacked)

 

[Pliablemoose]

Wow, tough crowd today...

I also asked him about safety in a crash for the passengers & the rescuers, he got real quiet. Said the best thing to do is turn off the key right away.

Some other factoids he shared with me: Toyota will be offering a hybrid version of each of their models in just a few years.

Just for the record, I was offered a Gen I Prius by Toyota & turned it down after I drove one, the only model on the market I haven't driven is the new Highlander. I think the technology is pretty cool, and will own one in a few years, but it'll prob be an Insight or something pretty tiny.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Wow, tough crowd today...

I also asked him about safety in a crash for the passengers & the rescuers, he got real quiet. Said the best thing to do is turn off the key right away.

Some other factoids he shared with me: Toyota will be offering a hybrid version of each of their models in just a few years.

Just for the record, I was offered a Gen I Prius by Toyota & turned it down after I drove one, the only model on the market I haven't driven is the new Highlander. I think the technology is pretty cool, and will own one in a few years, but it'll prob be an Insight or something pretty tiny.

What exactly do you mean?

If you're referring to the battery bank being dangerous, it's certainy no more dangerous than having a 13 gallon tank full of gasoline attached to your automobile.

I'd say if the crash is bad enough to cause battery acid to go flying everywhere, you're probably a gonner anyway.

 

[WyteWatt]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Some other factoids he shared with me: Toyota will be offering a hybrid version of each of their models in just a few years.

You didn't need to go to some kind of "insder" to learn that one. Toyota has always said that this is their plan.

Also, did you know that a Prius can power your house during a blackout???

 

[OrganizedChaos]

Originally posted by: WyteWatt

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
Some other factoids he shared with me: Toyota will be offering a hybrid version of each of their models in just a few years.

You didn't need to go to some kind of "insder" to learn that one. Toyota has always said that this is their plan.

Also, did you know that a Prius can power your house during a blackout???

and where does somebody get an inverter that accepts 276V DC?

 

[Dessert Tears]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: Bozono
Between the manufacture and disposal of those batteries, I'd be willing to bet Hybrids create more pollution than most new gas only econo-cars in the end. Whoops.

Ignorance must be bliss.

Yeah. I'm sure the miniscule number of batteries produced for hybrids far outstrips the manufacture of regular lead-acid batteries for normal cars. :roll:

Christ people, use your heads.

A (lead-acid) battery is plastic, lead plates and a mixture of distilled water and sulpheric acid. Not exactly the hardest thing on the planet to recycle; we've been doing it for years and years.

Eli, are you implying that hybrids use lead-acid batteries for their drive batteries?

Originally posted by: Eli
If you're referring to the battery bank being dangerous, it's certainy no more dangerous than having a 13 gallon tank full of gasoline attached to your automobile.

The problem is the high-voltage (I don't remember the numbers) lines running through the body where they could be severed by rescue implements, shocking the rescuer. I agree that gasoline is a greater danger, just most people have become accustomed to it.

 

[PHiuR]

are diesel cars better for the environment than gasoline? I thought it was the opposite.

 

[eelw]

Originally posted by: Flatscan
The problem is the high-voltage (I don't remember the numbers) lines running through the body where they could be severed by rescue implements, shocking the rescuer. I agree that gasoline is a greater danger, just most people have become accustomed to it.

Oh wait, you actually believe the stupid news stories that the 4 gauge cables actually run through the doors??????

 

[DVK916]

More money needs to spent on Hyodrogen fuel, as an alternative. I think this will be the fuel of the future.

 

[Dessert Tears]

Originally posted by: eelw

Originally posted by: Flatscan
The problem is the high-voltage (I don't remember the numbers) lines running through the body where they could be severed by rescue implements, shocking the rescuer. I agree that gasoline is a greater danger, just most people have become accustomed to it.

Oh wait, you actually believe the stupid news stories that the 4 gauge cables actually run through the doors??????

Body != doors. Perhaps I should have written "chassis". In any case, I don't understand your statement. If the lines run through the doors, they either 1) have extra length with no discernible purpose or 2) are taking a shortcut through the door, and would block the door from being opened.

I'm not familiar with rescue from crashed automobiles, but it doesn't seem completely impossible that the vehicle could be crushed in a way that compels a rescuer to cut through the location of a cable. Furthermore, the cables could be severed in the crash itself. I have read that there are automatic cutoffs to address these situations.

 

[eelw]

Originally posted by: Flatscan

Originally posted by: eelw

Originally posted by: Flatscan
The problem is the high-voltage (I don't remember the numbers) lines running through the body where they could be severed by rescue implements, shocking the rescuer. I agree that gasoline is a greater danger, just most people have become accustomed to it.

Oh wait, you actually believe the stupid news stories that the 4 gauge cables actually run through the doors??????

Body != doors. Perhaps I should have written "chassis". In any case, I don't understand your statement. If the lines run through the doors, they either 1) have extra length with no discernible purpose or 2) are taking a shortcut through the door, and would block the door from being opened.

I'm not familiar with rescue from crashed automobiles, but it doesn't seem completely impossible that the vehicle could be crushed in a way that compels a rescuer to cut through the location of a cable. Furthermore, the cables could be severed in the crash itself. I have read that there are automatic cutoffs to address these situations.

Okay, my bad. About 2-3 years ago, someone wrote a news article saying how dangerous it will be for rescue workers to save someone in a hybrid because the high voltage cables run along the doors. Yes they retracted this stupid statement soon after, but the damage was done. Many people still believe this is the case. Sorry, shouldn't have necessarily assumed you were referring to this.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: DVK916
More money needs to spent on Hyodrogen fuel, as an alternative. I think this will be the fuel of the future.

lol, do you have any idea where hydrogen comes from and how it is produced?

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: OS

Originally posted by: DVK916
More money needs to spent on Hyodrogen fuel, as an alternative. I think this will be the fuel of the future.

lol, do you have any idea where hydrogen comes from and how it is produced?

Yes I do, and you don't need fossile fuel to produce hydrogen.