Finally going to start carrying.

[FreshPrince]

90% of the time, people don't get guns for self defense, they get them:

a.) to get off on the fact that they can cap someone's ass.
b.) they have hero complex
c.) they intend to use the gun to kill

for the 10% who carry for self defense, 99% of the time, the situation can be difused without a weapon.

I'm all for our freedom to own firearms, but that's for home defense. I don't like knowing that 10 wannabe heros walking on the street can cause gun fights anytime they feel like it because they don't know any better.

 

[MiniDoom]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
90% of the time, people don't get guns for self defense, they get them:

a.) to get off on the fact that they can cap someone's ass.
b.) they have hero complex
c.) they intend to use the gun to kill

for the 10% who carry for self defense, 99% of the time, the situation can be difused without a weapon.

I'm all for our freedom to own firearms, but that's for home defense. I don't like knowing that 10 wannabe heros walking on the street can cause gun fights anytime they feel like it because they don't know any better.

you forgot target practice, fool. some of us just enjoy shooting targets.:roll:

 

[Jschmuck2]

I see this thread is still burning bright with fucking crazy well into the next day.

<cockroach voice>

Good....good....

</cockroach voice>

 

[adairusmc]

Originally posted by: amjohns5
I don't think that gun laws should be legal. i'm afraid that I would have to much power in my hands, and I don't want that kind of pressure.

It is a wonderful thing that your opinion on the matter is irrelevant and will never be the case. I value my gun rights more than the lives of everyone who would say I should not have them.

???O? ????!

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: Jschmuck2
Are you sure it doesn't have anything to do with the vertigo inspiring sense of power and reassurance that you are, in fact, a big man and could "kill anyone you wanted to right this goddamn second Tina, I could do it if I wanted to but I won't because I love you," that comes along with carrying a gun?

Nah, I'm sure that has nothing to do with it.

Wow, you've used so many words to describe what I was thinking in 0.2 secs.

 

[Jschmuck2]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: amjohns5
I don't think that gun laws should be legal. i'm afraid that I would have to much power in my hands, and I don't want that kind of pressure.

It is a wonderful thing that your opinion on the matter is irrelevant and will never be the case. I value my gun rights more than the lives of everyone who would say I should not have them.

???O? ????!

:Q

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
90% of the time, people don't get guns for self defense, they get them:

a.) to get off on the fact that they can cap someone's ass.
b.) they have hero complex
c.) they intend to use the gun to kill

for the 10% who carry for self defense, 99% of the time, the situation can be difused without a weapon.

I'm all for our freedom to own firearms, but that's for home defense. I don't like knowing that 10 wannabe heros walking on the street can cause gun fights anytime they feel like it because they don't know any better.

another "wow...just, wow" worthy post.

I also find it funny how so many of you "know" me yet I haven't even met a single fucking one of you. Hell, I've only had a normal conversation (still online though) with maybe 2 of the people on this forum (none have posted in this thread).

 

[rh71]

I might have missed it but what troubles lately were you referring to in your original post?

 

[alien42]

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
What kind of handgun/holster/belt? I have a number of different handguns and some fine leather holsters for them. Of course, I can't carry legally where I live, but that doesn't stop me from being prepared.

Kind of sucks to live somewhere that the government doesn't trust you enough, doesn't it? How can you be prepared when the people you run into that are going to cause you trouble are actually carrying a gun because they don't care what the law says? Nice false sense of security you live under. Being prepared in your case means either staying home or avoiding all areas where you might run into a problem. Unfortunately that could be just about anywhere these days.

What a bunch of crap as if everybody needs to carry a gun just in case.
Fuck, Ive been around for a while now and I was NEVER in a situation where i might need a friking gun. Where the fuck do you people live?

Maybe it is that dangerous to live in the US and if it is so, i am glad I don't live there.

I dont carry because I feel a need to, I carry because I can. It is called freedom.

you can also jump off a bridge, you should give it a shot. why is it all the gun touting cowboys are idiots?

and anyone who reads ATOT often enough should not exactly be excited about pontifex carrying a concealed weapon.

 

[K1052]

Originally posted by: FreshPrince
90% of the time, people don't get guns for self defense, they get them:

a.) to get off on the fact that they can cap someone's ass.
b.) they have hero complex
c.) they intend to use the gun to kill

for the 10% who carry for self defense, 99% of the time, the situation can be difused without a weapon.

I'm all for our freedom to own firearms, but that's for home defense. I don't like knowing that 10 wannabe heros walking on the street can cause gun fights anytime they feel like it because they don't know any better.

Someone's been drinking the Brady Campaign fruit punch...

Fact is that extraordinarily few CCL holders commit crimes or get gun happy like you suggest. Every time another state is going to pass CC legislation the anti-gun lobby goes there and starts telling everyone who will listen that their state is going to turn into downtown Mogadishu, though it never (ever) actually happens.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: alien42

Originally posted by: adairusmc

Originally posted by: Number1

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
What kind of handgun/holster/belt? I have a number of different handguns and some fine leather holsters for them. Of course, I can't carry legally where I live, but that doesn't stop me from being prepared.

Kind of sucks to live somewhere that the government doesn't trust you enough, doesn't it? How can you be prepared when the people you run into that are going to cause you trouble are actually carrying a gun because they don't care what the law says? Nice false sense of security you live under. Being prepared in your case means either staying home or avoiding all areas where you might run into a problem. Unfortunately that could be just about anywhere these days.

What a bunch of crap as if everybody needs to carry a gun just in case.
Fuck, Ive been around for a while now and I was NEVER in a situation where i might need a friking gun. Where the fuck do you people live?

Maybe it is that dangerous to live in the US and if it is so, i am glad I don't live there.

I dont carry because I feel a need to, I carry because I can. It is called freedom.

you can also jump off a bridge, you should give it a shot. why is it all the gun touting cowboys are idiots?

and anyone who reads ATOT often enough should not exactly be excited about pontifex carrying a concealed weapon.

and why is that? i guess you didn't read this post?

I also find it funny how so many of you "know" me yet I haven't even met a single fucking one of you. Hell, I've only had a normal conversation (still online though) with maybe 2 of the people on this forum (none have posted in this thread).

wtf have i posted that indicates that i am unstable or whatever to not carry a gun? obviously the police deem me fit to carry one.

 

[warmodder]

While I agree it's your right to carry a weapon, it just doesn't seem necessary. Yes, violence does occur, but the occurrences are so isolated you can't possibly argue some rogue AK47er is going to bust into your local mall every time you need to go shopping. It's like building my house up on stilts because it might flood. Yes it's my right to do it, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea. For people living in flood prone areas, sure it makes sense, and similarly if you live in a post apocalyptic war torn wasteland, carrying a weapon might be a good idea, but in most places today, the possibility is just too remote.

Even in that situation, there are too many variables that need to fall into place to make your firearm a viable solution. Being a 'hero' in such a stressed situation could have disastrous side effects as well. Even if everything does go right and you manage to take down ak-dude the fact that you're also wielding a deadly weapon could give people the wrong idea.

Too many negatives to justify carrying. I'm not saying you shouldn't be allowed to, just that it isn't necessary.

 

[necine]

I'd carry a gun if I didn't live in a facist state. Pont, don't listen to these hippies... If every responsible citizen carried a gun, there'd be a lot less crime and a lot of dead criminals. Effe em.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

You know, statistically, you're more likely to kill a loved one with the gun you own than someone trying to harm you.

Most of those are intentional shootings... so they aren't really loved ones anymore, are they?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: pontifex
I've had my concealed carry license for a long time now but have never carried. I really didn't have a holster and belt that were made for it.

I ordered a $90 leather belt that's handmade for having heavy items attached to it and a leather holster made for concealed carry.

With all the shit going on lately, its definitely time to start carrying.

Those Pennsylvania Dutch are some scary Mofo's:shocked:

 

[Red Dawn]

I want the right toi be able to have a gun in case I want to kill someone as stabbing the bitches is just so messy. Plus it comes in handy to have one if your asshole nieghbor has one in case you need to kill him too!

 

[theeedude]

Glad I don't live in the ghetto
I try to minimize the weight of things I carry on my body on a regular basis. It gets annoying real fast.

 

[johnjohn320]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: johnjohn320

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
What kind of handgun/holster/belt? I have a number of different handguns and some fine leather holsters for them. Of course, I can't carry legally where I live, but that doesn't stop me from being prepared.

Kind of sucks to live somewhere that the government doesn't trust you enough, doesn't it? How can you be prepared when the people you run into that are going to cause you trouble are actually carrying a gun because they don't care what the law says? Nice false sense of security you live under. Being prepared in your case means either staying home or avoiding all areas where you might run into a problem. Unfortunately that could be just about anywhere these days.

I love this attitude of "if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." Obviously, this has been disproved by other developed countries with gun abolishment. But hell, if you think you're right, let's legalize drugs, too! Don't need to worry about anyone but yerself having it, right?

So you're going to compare a small european country with all white people to the US? Norway's low crime rate does not prove that banning guns lowers crimes. In fact the evidence suggests otherwise in the US - ban guns in X city *ahem san francisco* and crime rates skyrocket.

Since pontifex is so fond of saying "wow, just wow" I'll insert that here. You're not helping to break any stereotypes, are you? Long as no damn N***ers or wetbacks are around, there'd be no violent crime, eh? You're disgusting.

I wasn't talking about "all-white" countries anyway, you crazy loon. Where did you even hear me mention Norway? My lord. I was talking about Japan, England, Spain, France, etc....where the gun murder rates are so much lower per capita that it's laughable. You think the cops in these countries don't carry guns cause they make them look fat or something?

 

[BoomerD]

I gotta wonder why people are so scared they feel the need to "pack heat." Do you live in such bad places that carrying a firearm is necessary? or are you just HOPING some maniac will start shooting up the local mall so you can try to be a hero and kill him?

I'm NOT anti-gun, but I just don't get the need to carry unless your job requires you to transport large sums of cash or other valuables.

 

[m1ldslide1]

I guess I don't understand why pontifex or others are irritated by the anti-gun posts? This is ATOT, so naturally you can expect this kind of thing. If you want praise all around, then I'm sure that Soldier of Fortune has a forum out there. Debate and discussion is good for everybody.

Personally, I'm in a weird position lately where I'm pro-gun ownership, and anti-concealed weapons. This is a combination of personal/political ideology and common sense. I think that the citizens of a country should be armed should they ever need to rise up against an unjust government. That of course is a moot point now, as most of the armed citizenry of this country have proven that they're easily manipulated with secondary religious/social issues while those they elect are treading on those freedoms they supposedly cherish. I also think it's impossible to ignore the statistics behind carrying weapons, which others have pointed out. I'm not going to march in the streets protesting concealed weapons or anything, but there's no denying that those people are a danger to themselves and others (specifically their families). They obviously don't feel that way, but that's the false sense of power that a firearm grants you.

Finally I couldn't agree more with JulesMaximus, pointing out that it takes a cynical and fearful mindset to feel the need to carry. Hell, maybe that .001% chance that you could need it someday makes it completely worth carrying - that's obviously a subjective interpretation. For me though, I don't want to live my life in that kind of fear, or allow myself to hold the people around me in such low regard. I may be wrong, but I'll err on the side of warm and fuzzy. I have good friends who are the exact opposite of me on this issue and carry everywhere they go. All of them are paranoid, hold their countrymen in very low regard, and have hero complexes (that they don't admit to in public). I sure as hell don't feel safer knowing that they are carrying.

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: m1ldslide1
I guess I don't understand why pontifex or others are irritated by the anti-gun posts? This is ATOT, so naturally you can expect this kind of thing. If you want praise all around, then I'm sure that Soldier of Fortune has a forum out there. Debate and discussion is good for everybody.

Personally, I'm in a weird position lately where I'm pro-gun ownership, and anti-concealed weapons. This is a combination of personal/political ideology and common sense. I think that the citizens of a country should be armed should they ever need to rise up against an unjust government. That of course is a moot point now, as most of the armed citizenry of this country have proven that they're easily manipulated with secondary religious/social issues while those they elect are treading on those freedoms they supposedly cherish. I also think it's impossible to ignore the statistics behind carrying weapons, which others have pointed out. I'm not going to march in the streets protesting concealed weapons or anything, but there's no denying that those people are a danger to themselves and others (specifically their families). They obviously don't feel that way, but that's the false sense of power that a firearm grants you.

Finally I couldn't agree more with JulesMaximus, pointing out that it takes a cynical and fearful mindset to feel the need to carry. Hell, maybe that .001% chance that you could need it someday makes it completely worth carrying - that's obviously a subjective interpretation. For me though, I don't want to live my life in that kind of fear, or allow myself to hold the people around me in such low regard. I may be wrong, but I'll err on the side of warm and fuzzy. I have good friends who are the exact opposite of me on this issue and carry everywhere they go. All of them are paranoid, hold their countrymen in very low regard, and have hero complexes (that they don't admit to in public). I sure as hell don't feel safer knowing that they are carrying.

Full agreement here.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
What kind of handgun/holster/belt? I have a number of different handguns and some fine leather holsters for them. Of course, I can't carry legally where I live, but that doesn't stop me from being prepared.

Kind of sucks to live somewhere that the government doesn't trust you enough, doesn't it? How can you be prepared when the people you run into that are going to cause you trouble are actually carrying a gun because they don't care what the law says? Nice false sense of security you live under. Being prepared in your case means either staying home or avoiding all areas where you might run into a problem. Unfortunately that could be just about anywhere these days.

You know, statistically, you're more likely to kill a loved one with the gun you own than someone trying to harm you.

Plus, if you do shoot someone that's trying to harm you in some way, only a fraction of those incidents involve "bodily" harm, so deadly force would be unwarranted. If you shot or killed someone in that circumstance, you'd be charged with manslaughter and get prison time.

I agree with the fact that if you're in an area where you feel so scared that you need to carry a gun for protection, you're not in the right area. There really aren't many places like this in the US.

Are you statistically more likely to save your own ass with the use of a gun than injuring a loved on?

Your statement is either a play on statistics or pure bullshit. Guns are used millions of times a year to prevent rape, murder, robbery etc.. without EVER FIRING A SHOT. People with CCL statistically NEVER commit gun/violent crimes or even felonies. Very FEW (statistically almost 0) people are killed a year in accidental shootings.

If your worried about accidents you should devote your time to swimming pools. They are far deadlier than a gun in the hands of a person with a CCL (or their homes etc.).

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Homerboy

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: meltdown75
great. just great.

I think he's saying it a a mocking, condescending tone. Which I agree with. This isn't the freaking West Bank here I don't care where you live in America. Carry a concealed weapon on you at all times is just adding to the trouble.

Please oh please prove your completely ignorant statement. You gotta be joking to say that one of the most responsible and law abiding groups of society (those that have CCL) "add to the problem".

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Darwin333

Originally posted by: Fritzo

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
What kind of handgun/holster/belt? I have a number of different handguns and some fine leather holsters for them. Of course, I can't carry legally where I live, but that doesn't stop me from being prepared.

Kind of sucks to live somewhere that the government doesn't trust you enough, doesn't it? How can you be prepared when the people you run into that are going to cause you trouble are actually carrying a gun because they don't care what the law says? Nice false sense of security you live under. Being prepared in your case means either staying home or avoiding all areas where you might run into a problem. Unfortunately that could be just about anywhere these days.

You know, statistically, you're more likely to kill a loved one with the gun you own than someone trying to harm you.

Plus, if you do shoot someone that's trying to harm you in some way, only a fraction of those incidents involve "bodily" harm, so deadly force would be unwarranted. If you shot or killed someone in that circumstance, you'd be charged with manslaughter and get prison time.

I agree with the fact that if you're in an area where you feel so scared that you need to carry a gun for protection, you're not in the right area. There really aren't many places like this in the US.

Are you statistically more likely to save your own ass with the use of a gun than injuring a loved on?

Your statement is either a play on statistics or pure bullshit. Guns are used millions of times a year to prevent rape, murder, robbery etc.. without EVER FIRING A SHOT. People with CCL statistically NEVER commit gun/violent crimes or even felonies. Very FEW (statistically almost 0) people are killed a year in accidental shootings.

If your worried about accidents you should devote your time to swimming pools. They are far deadlier than a gun in the hands of a person with a CCL (or their homes etc.).

Oh but guns are the devil, and I'm a fvckin moron who can't think logically. Jeez, some of the rhetoric of these anti gun people are off the deep end.

 

[theeedude]

If guns really prevented millions of rapes, murders and robberies a year, wouldn't we have much lower prevalence of those crimes per capita than countries with stricter gun controls? I am sure guns prevent some of those crimes, but not millions, and they are also used in those crimes as well.