Finally:DOJ Not Filing Charges Against George Zimmerman For 2012 Killing Of Trayvon M

[rudeguy]

I'm not arguing that GZ didn't have a right to defend himself; what I'm saying is that the situation never had to get that far. That's all I've ever said.

No, you said

Too bad. GZ got away with negligent homicide or second degree murder

 

[TechBoyJK]

Originally Posted by alzan

Same can be said of GZ. The original altercation started when GZ rolled his window down and asked TM his business; had GZ been suspicious at that point he should've let the cops take over, which he didn't.

Any grown man with a set of balls is going to be interested in pursuing and confronting a stranger in their neighborhood.

I've stopped people cutting through my yard before. I'm white, they're usually black. I've seen them cutting through my yard in the front, and I go out the back and wait for them. There's a street light so I can see faces but they're usually surprised when I'm standing right there with my arms crossed.

The dozen or so times I've done it, I walk out there, and simply ask who they are and why they're in my yard. If they are grown men, they usually just say sorry. If they are neighborhood girls, same thing. Sorry, we're just taking a short cut. I live near an apartment complex and my yard provides a short cut to the quikmart a block away. I usually assume they're just going to the store (because I see the same people all the time).

The younger guys, often just boys, have gotten attitudes with me. I tell them I have cameras setup so they should tread carefully. They usually just walk off at that point.

This is why I don't fault GZ.

When you talk to people in your neighborhood, it's reasonable to expect they won't attack you. If they do, it's THEIR FUCKING FAULT; not you for confronting them.

Oh GZ shouldn't have left his house that day. He shouldn't have done this, done that.

Fuck all that. Martin shouldn't have been a raging idiot mma wannabe hopped up on drugs who jumped and beat the shit out of a guy reasonably suspicious. The sad thing is people blame GZ for being too suspicious, but the 800 pound gorilla in the room is that ZIMMERMAN WAS CLEARLY CORRECT in his suspicions.

 

[alzan]

Any grown man with a set of balls is going to be interested in pursuing and confronting a stranger in their neighborhood.

I've stopped people cutting through my yard before. I'm white, they're usually black. I've seen them cutting through my yard in the front, and I go out the back and wait for them. There's a street light so I can see faces but they're usually surprised when I'm standing right there with my arms crossed.

The dozen or so times I've done it, I walk out there, and simply ask who they are and why they're in my yard. If they are grown men, they usually just say sorry. If they are neighborhood girls, same thing. Sorry, we're just taking a short cut. I live near an apartment complex and my yard provides a short cut to the quikmart a block away. I usually assume they're just going to the store (because I see the same people all the time).

The younger guys, often just boys, have gotten attitudes with me. I tell them I have cameras setup so they should tread carefully. They usually just walk off at that point.

This is why I don't fault GZ.

When you talk to people in your neighborhood, it's reasonable to expect they won't attack you. If they do, it's THEIR FUCKING FAULT; not you for confronting them.

Oh GZ shouldn't have left his house that day. He shouldn't have done this, done that.

Fuck all that. Martin shouldn't have been a raging idiot mma wannabe hopped up on drugs who jumped and beat the shit out of a guy reasonably suspicious. The sad thing is people blame GZ for being too suspicious, but the 800 pound gorilla in the room is that ZIMMERMAN WAS CLEARLY CORRECT in his suspicions.

That's your definition of a man; it doesn't represent all definitions of a man.

 

[TechBoyJK]

That's your definition of a man; it doesn't represent all definitions of a man.

In no way did I 'define' a man. I said any man with a set. You could be a gay man, a small man, a black man, a dumb man, a smart man, an old man..

Doesn't matter.

 

[Triumph]

I'm not arguing that GZ didn't have a right to defend himself; what I'm saying is that the situation never had to get that far. That's all I've ever said.

This thread is about federal civil rights charges being filed against GZ. You said it was too bad that the DOJ decided not to file charges.

 

[emperus]

I'm curious why everyone here who has believed GZ's story word for word seems to not want to comment on the revelations after the trial that Shellie Zimmerman left GZ the night before the shooting? Is it one of those inconvenient truths that is easier to ignore than address?

 

[echo4747]

I'm curious why everyone here who has believed GZ's story word for word seems to not want to comment on the revelations after the trial that Shellie Zimmerman left GZ the night before the shooting? Is it one of those inconvenient truths that is easier to ignore than address?

I am not sure there is anyone here that believes GZ word for word. I feel people here analyzed the evidence and came to the conclusion that it lacked the substance to convict GZ with what he was charged of. Many others disagree. Personally I believe the jury reached the correct verdict. The state simply didn't meet the burden of proof it needed to.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

This thread is about federal civil rights charges being filed against GZ. You said it was too bad that the DOJ decided not to file charges.

He's boxed himself into a corner....and it seems that the only way out is for him to say that he thought Federal charges should have been filed against GZ because he let the situation get too far....which of course is ludicrous, and I suspect he's beginning to figure that out thankfully.

For the record alzan, I take no pleasure in calling you out for your "insanity"...but some people need a 2x4 to the head in order to get their attention that something may be amiss. We all have blind spots...so please do feel free to return the "favor" if you see mine.

 

[alzan]

This thread is about federal civil rights charges being filed against GZ. You said it was too bad that the DOJ decided not to file charges.

And I stand by it. GZ, IMO, is a shit-stain who's finest hour would've been an early abortion

 

[Triumph]

And I stand by it. GZ, IMO, is a shit-stain who's finest hour would've been an early abortion

Ok that's fine. I'm curious why you think he violated TM's civil rights?

Was a "Protected Right" Violated?

The first question you should ask is whether a "protected right" has been violated. You may feel that your rights have been violated, but it doesn't necessarily follow that your civil rights were violated. Only certain rights are protected under civil rights and anti-discrimination laws. Some apparent "rights violations" are in fact perfectly legal, and cannot form the basis for a civil rights case.

 

[alzan]

Ok that's fine. I'm curious why you think he violated TM's civil rights?

Right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

No one had to die that night

 

[emperus]

Any grown man with a set of balls is going to be interested in pursuing and confronting a stranger in their neighborhood.

I've stopped people cutting through my yard before. I'm white, they're usually black. I've seen them cutting through my yard in the front, and I go out the back and wait for them. There's a street light so I can see faces but they're usually surprised when I'm standing right there with my arms crossed.

The dozen or so times I've done it, I walk out there, and simply ask who they are and why they're in my yard. If they are grown men, they usually just say sorry. If they are neighborhood girls, same thing. Sorry, we're just taking a short cut. I live near an apartment complex and my yard provides a short cut to the quikmart a block away. I usually assume they're just going to the store (because I see the same people all the time).

The younger guys, often just boys, have gotten attitudes with me. I tell them I have cameras setup so they should tread carefully. They usually just walk off at that point.

This is why I don't fault GZ.

When you talk to people in your neighborhood, it's reasonable to expect they won't attack you. If they do, it's THEIR FUCKING FAULT; not you for confronting them.

Oh GZ shouldn't have left his house that day. He shouldn't have done this, done that.

Fuck all that. Martin shouldn't have been a raging idiot mma wannabe hopped up on drugs who jumped and beat the shit out of a guy reasonably suspicious. The sad thing is people blame GZ for being too suspicious, but the 800 pound gorilla in the room is that ZIMMERMAN WAS CLEARLY CORRECT in his suspicions.

This is what a man is to you? Sounds more like being a hot-head. Most "men" would just put up a fence. You see because being a man requires wisdom. And clearly it's very wise to approach people when it's dark, when by your words, they aren't expecting you to be there so you can what get an apology for crossing your yard on their way to the store?

You have the same irrational make-up and ridiculous conception of what it is to be a man that GZ does.

 

[PokerGuy]

I'm curious why everyone here who has believed GZ's story word for word seems to not want to comment on the revelations after the trial that Shellie Zimmerman left GZ the night before the shooting? Is it one of those inconvenient truths that is easier to ignore than address?

It is completely irrelevant. That's why nobody comments on it, it means nothing. The physical evidence and evidence provided by witnesses compels any rational person to conclude that GZ was attacked.

 

[PokerGuy]

Most "men" would just put up a fence.

Wut? So he has to put up a fence because other people decide they want to walk across his property? I think not.

 

[emperus]

It is completely irrelevant. That's why nobody comments on it, it means nothing. The physical evidence and evidence provided by witnesses compels any rational person to conclude that GZ was attacked.

It means nothing that he lied about being with his wife on Sunday? It means nothing he lied about he and his wife mentoring a child on Sunday? And your wife moving out the night before doesn't impact your state of mind?

GZ is a liar and a psychopath and any person who can't admit it at this point or takes anything he says as truth has alternative motives.

 

[emperus]

Wut? So he has to put up a fence because other people decide they want to walk across his property? I think not.

See, men have families, loved ones, things going on in life and so love themselves and don't engage in reckless behavior. And so they tend to try to mitigate situations. If you truly believe that seeking people out in the dark vs. putting up a fence makes more sense, I think that says enough about you.

 

[TechBoyJK]

I'm curious why everyone here who has believed GZ's story word for word seems to not want to comment on the revelations after the trial that Shellie Zimmerman left GZ the night before the shooting? Is it one of those inconvenient truths that is easier to ignore than address?

It's less about believing GZ as it is looking at the obvious mountain of evidence that says Trayvon was a violent thug and his attacking zimmerman was typical behavior. The only way this doesn't work is if you bought the 'trayvon is an angel' bullshit. Dude was an asshole.

 

[emperus]

It's less about believing GZ as it is looking at the obvious mountain of evidence that says Trayvon was a violent thug and his attacking zimmerman was typical behavior. The only way this doesn't work is if you bought the 'trayvon is an angel' bullshit. Dude was an asshole.

Of course, he was black and hence an asshole.

 

[PokerGuy]

It means nothing that he lied about being with his wife on Sunday? It means nothing he lied about he and his wife mentoring a child on Sunday? And your wife moving out the night before doesn't impact your state of mind?

GZ is a liar and a psychopath and any person who can't admit it at this point or takes anything he says as truth has alternative motives.

That's just more blathering about GZ. I don't care about what you think of the man. The reality is that evidence and witness testimony corroborate his version of events. End of story. All the other stuff is useless drivel.

 

[TechBoyJK]

This is what a man is to you? Sounds more like being a hot-head. Most "men" would just put up a fence. You see because being a man requires wisdom. And clearly it's very wise to approach people when it's dark, when by your words, they aren't expecting you to be there so you can what get an apology for crossing your yard on their way to the store?

You have the same irrational make-up and ridiculous conception of what it is to be a man that GZ does.

I have a fence.

They don't go through the part of the yard with a fence. It's a split area between houses.

 

[emperus]

That's just more blathering about GZ. I don't care about what you think of the man. The reality is that evidence and witness testimony corroborate his version of events. End of story. All the other stuff is useless drivel.

Of course it did. Like his 3 runins with the law after the trail prove he didn't have a Temper and his desire to fight for money proved he couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag.

His team wisely put people on the stand who had no issue lying.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Of course, he was black and hence an asshole.

You said black, not me. Why does Zimmerman being from Florida make you hate him so much? Oh wait, I'm putting words in your mouth. Do me a favor, and pay me the same courtesy.

I've been attacked by white thugs before. They're assholes too.

 

[emperus]

I have a fence.

They don't go through the part of the yard with a fence. It's a split area between houses.

Then you need a better fence. Or they aren't on your property.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Of course it did. Like his 3 runins with the law after the trail prove he didn't have a Temper and his desire to fight for money proved he couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag.

His team wisely put people on the stand who had no issue lying.

His run'ins were petty. His desire to fight was for self defense. Trayvon's desire to fight was for street cred.

Trayvon was a thug. Accept it; or forever wonder why things didn't play out as you expected. (that tends to happen when your perception isn't grounding in reality).

 

[TechBoyJK]

Then you need a better fence. Or they aren't on your property.

Seriously? Dude, go clown somewhere else. Not all fences cover an entire lot. Most don't. And you making this an issue is a sly attempt at moving the goal posts.