Makes two of us - I just wanted to try Abit after reading all the croc about it. Back to either Gigabyte or Asus. This time no more cheapies I am going high end. WIll try Bios 15 (Bios 12 was just awful) and see what happens
Makes two of us - I just wanted to try Abit after reading all the croc about it. Back to either Gigabyte or Asus. This time no more cheapies I am going high end. WIll try Bios 15 (Bios 12 was just awful) and see what happens
Flashed to bios 15 (from Windows - not for the faint hearted) and got a bunch of beeps - realized it was the memory volts being set too low by default. Rebooted and reset everything - alls well. Seems OK this bios. Still double boots though
Decided to disable CIE and EIST - this may be causing some instabilities (do not use this box too much anyway so no problems with the environment thing)
Decided to disable CIE and EIST - this may be causing some instabilities (do not use this box too much anyway so no problems with the environment thing)
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This is disappointing to hear. I just bought an IP35-E. Currently, I have two DS3Rs in service, which seem to do fine by me. The DS3Rs don't have the unstable power problem, do they?
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there fairly great boards with a mild vdroop. They dont have this kind of bug, but they have a bad vdroop compared to there higher end brothers.
THE BEST board i have ever got to play with is the Gigabyte P35-DQ6. Absolute monster stable, and super reliable. After that would be the ASUS P5K-DLX.
Im getting my hands on the DFI LP LT X38-T2R soon. That should also be a very fun board. :]
I'd verify this for yourself since you already bought it. So far, I've seen two people reporting this "problem"; they're both right here. I've been helping at the abit forums since August and have never seen anyone complain about this problem.
No, I'm not doubting you two have an issue, just that it applies to all -E's. I'd expect many more people to report the issue considering Newegg sells out of them within a week of getting them in stock, multiple times now.
If you think you need a higher priced board, by all means get one. The IP35 Pro is one of the best P35 boards on the market.
The IP35-Pro has the same problem. Verified by two users. I remember one of them by name, he goes by RLM or RLM2007 on extremesystems.org. He ditched his board after asking help in the IP35-Pro thread and no one had a clue, except me, because I experienced it.
I own TWO IP35-E's and BOTH (built fathers system) had the problem. I believe it does apply to ALL IP35's of the same revision. You have to understand that most extreme overclockers are NOT using Abit's boards, they are using Gigabyte & Asus boards. This alone brings the issue to the minority.... Not to mention how many people had this problem and returned the board, only to purchase a different one? The issue I am talking about is so hard to explain and articulate that you cannot do a simple search and find it out. It isn't like a Windows 2003 server event log that you can copy and paste word for word and find hundreds of KB articles on a solution. You simply cannot find this issue because people do not know what is really happening (they presume they are overheating - as I did at first) and therefore, cannot post in a mantter consistant with all others that have this problem.
Please, go read around at OCForums. Lots of people over there use the Pro.
You should tell your theory of it affecting all IP35 series boards to Deanzo over there. It appears he just got a 7.859s 1M SuperPi time at 5.91GHz on his QX9650, IP35 Pro and LN at 1.940v. Here's the link. I believe that would qualify as an extreme overclocker. :roll:
EDIT - I wanted to reiterate, I'm not implying you don't have a problem. I have no idea nor can I test it. I'm just pointing out that not all -E's have this problem AFAIK and certainly not all Pro's have it. This isn't a he-said-she-said thing. Your board may crap out like you say it does. Surely you aren't implying you're the only one smart enough to figure out that the board was the problem; more people would have complained @ abit if it was a series-wide phenomenon.
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this is all i need to post.
1.4V in bios and this is what i get the first 3min in prime95:
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...73/aigomorla/CM690.jpg
As time increase on prime95:
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...p73/aigomorla/Temp.jpg
The voltage on this board likes dancing. I dont like this kind of instability. :T
All this is wasted: Cuz i could of pulled this off on AIR. :T
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_0862.jpg
Im sad because i really wanted to overclock this 89 dollar budget board. [OH man... i guess im just like mark and him wanting to OC a Celly430]
Heres the cooling on it:
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...73/aigomorla/Parts.jpg
So no its not user error, its my board. True it might only be a batch that archangel and i have. But still, that calibur cooling should easily push a P35 board well into 1.45Vcore + range.
RAWR... Pictures paint 1000 words.
So you can at least x out user error that you think we have. Unless your calling me a noob overclocker
Heh...I'll just quote what I said:
"I wanted to reiterate, I'm not implying you don't have a problem."
How does that say to you 'you're a n00b and it's user error'?
My beef is with claims that all the IP35-E boards have that problem. Yours might, ArchAngel's might, I'm not doubting you guys in the least. I simply contend it's not systemic as more people would have complained about it by now. I spend a LOT of time at the abit forums (yes, I'm a nerd). No one has reported this.
EDIT - Heh...off topic, but he made a video of both his GPU & CPU LN pots working. It's a thing of beauty. Here's the video. :Q
"I wanted to reiterate, I'm not implying you don't have a problem."
How does that say to you 'you're a n00b and it's user error'?
My beef is with claims that all the IP35-E boards have that problem. Yours might, ArchAngel's might, I'm not doubting you guys in the least. I simply contend it's not systemic as more people would have complained about it by now. I spend a LOT of time at the abit forums (yes, I'm a nerd). No one has reported this.
EDIT - Heh...off topic, but he made a video of both his GPU & CPU LN pots working. It's a thing of beauty. Here's the video. :Q
Your attitude really stinks.
1) The QX9650 is Penryn. It uses far, far less power than a B3 Q6600.
2) I only see 3DMark and SuperPI... I don't experience any problems with those applications either. In fact, I can crank voltage up far higher and pass those tests. I'd LOVE to see him run Prime on all four cores. In fact, why don't you message him?
3) Is this one of those guys that disables every core except one?
I a few things you seem to have missed about my post... Let me requote them.
You found one person to fits the bill, and he was using a Penryn. He obviously does not fall under the 'most' category. I underlined, bolded it for you, in case your missed what I said. Tell you what, compile a list of the top 10 QC overclocks and then tell me which motherboard is used the least. Pretty certain you are going to find IP35-E at the bottom of the list. Besides that, my statement should be taken within the general context, which conveys the meaning that very few people are using the IP35 and any of those variants for LN2 or Phrase.
As far as your comment about gracing the Abit boards... How would you know anyway? The search on their forums doesn't even work. Not to mention, the fact you completely read right over the fact that a problem like this isn't articulated correctly, nor the same for each user in the first place... And just to disprove your theory of "I aint seen it on the forums and I grace those things daily!"... I can provide a link! This user has plenty of cooling, but it doesn't look like Serpent can say anything other than "You CPU is the problem" The funny part about this is, is that you don't even REMEMBER posting in that thread, which has already disproved your "I have never seen it on the official forums"... So, keep talking.
Would you like to send me your Abit board and I will test it for you? I'll throw it right in my RIG, turn on my video camera and record it for you even. Or maybe the fact that I purchased two different IP35-E's from different parts of the country and different business isn't enough to make you believe that it really isn't 'bad' luck? Come on... You are so far fetched it isn't even funny.
Edit **
Be sure to check out RLM's post here on Extreme... He had a QX6700 that had the same problem. The only thing he changed was the motherboard... His older QuadGT did not experience the problem, but when he installed the IP35-Pro, problem appeared. Read here.
I know aigomorla is on about the reboot thing. Has happened a few times when I went over 3400 and upped vcore to 1.425V and start pushing the RAM
Currently dropped to 370 X 9 (3330) at 1.38 vcore and gamed for 2 hours straight without any issues. Ram running at 926 speeds. Looking good. Bios 15 is a bit quicker overall it seems
Will stay here for a while and see what happens
Krysis next to see how that will play out
Currently dropped to 370 X 9 (3330) at 1.38 vcore and gamed for 2 hours straight without any issues. Ram running at 926 speeds. Looking good. Bios 15 is a bit quicker overall it seems
Will stay here for a while and see what happens
Krysis next to see how that will play out
Wow, ok. I'm just going to remove myself. My attitude apparently stinks, even though I'm trying to be as nice as possible. ArchAngel, I have never said that you don't have a problem; aigomorla gets that, why can't you?
How can you be sure that person on the abit forums was even having that problem? They never returned to continue troubleshooting. We would draw different conclusions from that post. I'd say, since he/she didn't return, that the solution proposed (RAM) likely fixed the issue.
I'll simply re-state a few boards does not a systemic problem make. In that thread you linked to, one person had the problem. In the other ten pages I looked through, no one else complained about it and quite a few people have Q6600s in their sig.
I don't work for abit, so you can do whatever you wish and it makes no difference to me. It just seems less than accurate to go around telling people that the entire IP35 series has the issue that you and a couple others have.
Sure, it may be a problem; maybe a bad batch of PWMs or something, I have no idea. To say all boards in the entire series is misinforming others because you can't prove that any more than I can disprove it. We don't have access to enough boards.
I'm sorry you believe my attitude stinks. This was just a conversation and not an argument prior to your post. It has apparently become an argument and that's not why I'm here. Good luck to you. I hope you're able to resolve your problem with or without an abit board.
Peace. (That's not a platitude, I mean it; there is no reason to get riled out about this or anything else computer related...just relax, you'll enjoy life more.)
How can you be sure that person on the abit forums was even having that problem? They never returned to continue troubleshooting. We would draw different conclusions from that post. I'd say, since he/she didn't return, that the solution proposed (RAM) likely fixed the issue.
I'll simply re-state a few boards does not a systemic problem make. In that thread you linked to, one person had the problem. In the other ten pages I looked through, no one else complained about it and quite a few people have Q6600s in their sig.
I don't work for abit, so you can do whatever you wish and it makes no difference to me. It just seems less than accurate to go around telling people that the entire IP35 series has the issue that you and a couple others have.
Sure, it may be a problem; maybe a bad batch of PWMs or something, I have no idea. To say all boards in the entire series is misinforming others because you can't prove that any more than I can disprove it. We don't have access to enough boards.
I'm sorry you believe my attitude stinks. This was just a conversation and not an argument prior to your post. It has apparently become an argument and that's not why I'm here. Good luck to you. I hope you're able to resolve your problem with or without an abit board.
Peace. (That's not a platitude, I mean it; there is no reason to get riled out about this or anything else computer related...just relax, you'll enjoy life more.)
I am relaxed and you would get blasted in any type of formal debate already, as you are acting like religous folk that put their fingers in their ears. According to your statements, you believe the only way to know that the problem has happens on all mothersboard is to 'test all motherboards' and that is impossible to prove. Sort of like... If I jump up, will I always come down? Well, most people would say the answer is yes, but people that subscribe to your belief would say "No, because not everyone has jumped and we haven't seen it, nor was it reported that they landed" Good luck with that.
All we have to do is analyze the data (that is what I am paid to do - just like many others).
1) I purchased two different ABIT IP35-E's at different times and from different places. I have the boxes to prove it. On request, I will take a picture and post it. So we have two different motherboards, completely different batch (logically) and I can duplicate the problem on both.
2) What are the chances that Aigo, an experienced overclocker who has tested his B3 chip has the problem... I went to Aigo and expected him to have the problem, but still wasn't sure. But sure enough he reported that I was correct. That is three different IP35-E's.
3) Now we have the forum post to the official forums of a user stating his shutdowns over a certain speed and voltage (something I can duplicate at any time I want). He said he only had a few days to 'test it' so it is logical that he gave up, especially since his sig now shows a Q6600.
4) Then follow the extreme systems link where a user reported the problem on an IP35-Pro. The only thing he changed was the motherboard! He already had his system running at that speed with his older QuadGT (965P).
5) You said you are not able to test to see if it will happen and every example you gave (only 1) didn't even really pertain to my statements. The Penryns have a very low power envelope.
The conclusion is clear to me. But, that will be my last statement in regards to this issue.
I wish peace to you too, even though I do not agree with your assessment, but that is ok. We have the right to believe what we want and I would not take that away from anyone.
:beer:
Edit ** BTW, the reason I say your attitude stinks is because you rolled your eyes. That is typically a disrespectful thing to do and combined with the fact that you didn't read the 'most' in my statement was pretty clear you were on the attack. But, let us put that behind us. :beer:
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oh man.. archangel this reminds me of a Geometry proof back in jr high school many many years ago
very nicely put. (except im not pointing fingers at anyone)
*kickin the can*
Oh wellz... wheres my box of tools, time for a board change.
Archangel is a really nice guy, you guys should get along. This is for infomation purposes, not for pointing fingers on the blame for a bad product.
Applied same principles for memory settings to the DS3L and whoah it worked. After flashing to latest bios F7 the board works all the way to 425 (never did that before). I did not go further.
Currently running at 419 X 8 (3350 at 1.4315v)with memory settings all set manually except the last two items - tRD and tRD phase adjustment
So what this proves is that AUTO does not help with higher overclocks
And I am using the crappy OCZ Plat Rev 2 and running at 830 at 4 4 4 15 2.1v
Currently running at 419 X 8 (3350 at 1.4315v)with memory settings all set manually except the last two items - tRD and tRD phase adjustment
So what this proves is that AUTO does not help with higher overclocks
And I am using the crappy OCZ Plat Rev 2 and running at 830 at 4 4 4 15 2.1v
The board is dirt cheap!! ASUS has it's share of crap too, no one is perfect but cverclockers probably don't care for onboard audio either .
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