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brandonbull said:
Given that statement, you have zero ideas of what an actual dictator/authoritarian government is. Refer to the current group of Democrats if you want to see a similar Russian style government.
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JFC

EDIT: I know BB is shit and run but JFC!
 
hal2kilo said:
Damn! Stop making me press the show ignored content button. Really not that interesting.
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Exactly why putting people on ignore doesn't work. You have to show ignore to keep from getting confused on other people's responses and to understand the conversation(s) going on in a thread. Otherwise you spend a lot of time scratching your head going WTF was that comment about?
 
brandonbull said:
That's not the question. The question is Joe Biden calling for a regime change in Russia?
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Maybe the real question is who wouldn't like to see regime change in Russia?

Other than Tucker Carson...

Let's think this through. Biden along with many other world leaders have already called Putin a war criminal guilty of crimes against humanity for his unprovoked attack on the Ukraine. I highly doubt that any of them would then say that they want to see this war criminal remain in power in Russia. Safe to say that everyone in Europe is hoping and praying (i.e. calling on god) for regime change.

But perhaps the real question you want to ask is what steps is Biden willing to take to make regime change happen. Not any unfair question given our history. There's nothing in his (perhaps poorly phrased) remarks that suggest any steps beyond the sanctions being taken.

If you want to denounce someone who wants to force regime change, then you should be talking about Lindsey Graham's assassination suggestion.
 
NWRMidnight said:
Exactly why putting people on ignore doesn't work. You have to show ignore to keep from getting confused on other people's responses and to understand the conversation(s) going on in a thread. Otherwise you spend a lot of time scratching your head going WTF was that comment about?
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The problem I find is when someone you have on ignore starts a thread - especially when it's the only thread on a big news story. Then you never see the thread, and start wondering why there's no thread on this big story. I don't know why it doesn't just show the thread, but minus the ignored OP.

When it's a case of just wondering out of curiosity what it is an ignored poster said that has gotten everyone so worked-up, its not that big a deal. Usually you take them off ignore and find it's exactly the sort of thing you'd expect, and why you had them on ignore in the first place.

I didn't have anyone on ignore for ages, but I seem to have a list full of anti-vaxxers now.
 
pmv said:
When it's a case of just wondering out of curiosity what it is an ignored poster said that has gotten everyone so worked-up, its not that big a deal. Usually you take them off ignore and find it's exactly the sort of thing you'd expect, and why you had them on ignore in the first place.
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But those people shouldn’t be feeding the troll. Don’t give them the attention that they desire.
 
eelw said:
But those people shouldn’t be feeding the troll. Don’t give them the attention that they desire.
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It's a matter of individual judgement though. I mean, it depends what one thinks the point is of debating/arguing things on here at all.

Personally I sometimes feel it's easier arguing with those I 100% fundamentally disagree with, which includes people who get labelled 'trolls'

It's much more uncomfortable to argue with someone you agree with on some topics but not others, or if it's an issue one isn't certain of one's own opinion about. I'm constantly tempted to pick fights with liberals - who often seem rather right-wing to me - but almost always decide not to because I'm very uncertain of my views about liberalism vs the left.

Really doesn't help that the US "left" is so far to the right that the actual right occasionally opportunistically employs leftist arguments purely in order to oppose them. That's really confusing.

(When they aren't resorting to completely crazy conspiracy theory territory, as if that's the only place left to go when the 'left' is occupying the territory where the mainstream moderate right ought to be)

On the other hand, sometimes one loses patience and concludes its pointless engaging with someone when you are never ever going to agree or when they don't argue honestly and/or keep saying the same things over and over while ignoring all counter-points - then the ignore list gets used.
 
pmv said:
It's a matter of individual judgement though. I mean, it depends what one thinks the point is of debating/arguing things on here at all.

Personally I sometimes feel it's easier arguing with those I 100% fundamentally disagree with, which includes people who get labelled 'trolls'

It's much more uncomfortable to argue with someone you agree with on some topics but not others, or if it's an issue one isn't certain of one's own opinion about. I'm constantly tempted to pick fights with liberals - who often seem rather right-wing to me - but almost always decide not to because I'm very uncertain of my views about liberalism vs the left.

Really doesn't help that the US "left" is so far to the right that the actual right occasionally opportunistically employs leftist arguments purely in order to oppose them. That's really confusing.

(When they aren't resorting to completely crazy conspiracy theory territory, as if that's the only place left to go when the 'left' is occupying the territory where the mainstream moderate right ought to be)

On the other hand, sometimes one loses patience and concludes its pointless engaging with someone when you are never ever going to agree or when they don't argue honestly and/or keep saying the same things over and over while ignoring all counter-points - then the ignore list gets used.
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- I personally find long trains of just calling someone a moron more infuriating than the original post.

I mean, I get not wanting to have the same argument with someone over and over again, but maybe link back to a previous discussion where the troll was already slapped down instead of just dogpiling "Holy shit are you fucking stupid" for X number of posts until whatever the original discussion topic is forgotten and the thread is a shitshow.

Also for folks first encountering the troll argument, they never get a good counterpoint on why the troll argument is flawed in the first place, all they see are a bunch of "liberal pricks" dogpiling some random dude with an opinion.

To paraphrase a famous quote: The Troll just has to win once, while the truth has to win every time.
 
PowerEngineer said:
Maybe the real question is who wouldn't like to see regime change in Russia?

Other than Tucker Carson...

Let's think this through. Biden along with many other world leaders have already called Putin a war criminal guilty of crimes against humanity for his unprovoked attack on the Ukraine. I highly doubt that any of them would then say that they want to see this war criminal remain in power in Russia. Safe to say that everyone in Europe is hoping and praying (i.e. calling on god) for regime change.

But perhaps the real question you want to ask is what steps is Biden willing to take to make regime change happen. Not any unfair question given our history. There's nothing in his (perhaps poorly phrased) remarks that suggest any steps beyond the sanctions being taken.

If you want to denounce someone who wants to force regime change, then you should be talking about Lindsey Graham's assassination suggestion.
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Who is going to force a regime change in Russia? Biden? EU? Russian people? If Russia's #2 is like our current #2, we both have a lot of shit. It's now common place for Biden to say something and then his handlers have to issue clarifications/retractions. I guess Biden can't allow Putin to keep making errors and setting himself for an internal regime change. Biden's constant blabbering is starting to galvanize the Russian population.
 
eelw said:
Yeah when yesterdays new troll brought in the orange monkey’s economy record, it was a copy and paste of a prior drive by troll
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I'm ready to here some opinions on this transitory inflation. Maybe if Disney can start running the PR, we can proclaim inflation doesn't fit into ciseconomic terms and people are inflationphobes. Bring on some wonderful economic reassignments.
 
sandorski said:
OMG stop whining about Biden saying the right thing out loud.
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It's not a matter of what is correct or not. Timing is key. Russia is strong enough that it doesn't have to accept the Libya or Iraq treatment and might push back in ways people aren't ready for. Of all the times Biden whispers nonsense, he couldn't do it for this.
 
brandonbull said:
It's not a matter of what is correct or not. Timing is key. Russia is strong enough that it doesn't have to accept the Libya or Iraq treatment and might push back in ways people aren't ready for. Of all the times Biden whispers nonsense, he couldn't do it for this.
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Are they, though?

Wonder where you got this idea. Right now, the whole world is seeing Russia being called on the biggest bluff in history when it comes to perceived strength. I'm not sure why you continue to hoover up the Putin propaganda like it's coming from the Trump hose that you've been feeding off of for the last 8 years. (Yes, that hose. The main vein type of hose).

...I'm talking about how you sustain your life needs from ingesting Trump's semen.
 
zinfamous said:
Are they, though?

Wonder where you got this idea. Right now, the whole world is seeing Russia being called on the biggest bluff in history when it comes to perceived strength. I'm not sure why you continue to hoover up the Putin propaganda like it's coming from the Trump hose that you've been feeding off of for the last 8 years.
[Distressing mental image redacted]
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Russia's strong _enough_ though. That is, given the horrible mess that trying to produce regime-change in Afghanistan and Iraq caused, trying to do it with Russia is likely to be an order-of-magnitude worse. Even trying to do it to Iran would be way more horrific than Iraq. It's only for tiny places like Grenada and Panama that it can be achieved with a level of damage acceptable to the Western public.

What's become clear is that Russia isn't strong enough to itself impose regime change on other countries. But I'm surprised Russia didn't already learn that from Afghanistan and Chechnya (it supposedly learned it back in the 1920s when they tried to reach Germany by going through Poland). I suppose that lesson has to be relearned over-and-over.
 
brandonbull said:
I'm ready to here some opinions on this transitory inflation. Maybe if Disney can start running the PR, we can proclaim inflation doesn't fit into ciseconomic terms and people are inflationphobes. Bring on some wonderful economic reassignments.
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Please don't bring your creepy sexual proclivities into a foreign policy debate.
 
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