FINAL WMD thread, NO spin, NO off topic

[AEB]

I got really tired of people claiming Bush is a liar. So i did some research, i found a really good list of pointers that iraq had/has WMD. The link Here details this with sources. Reading this i would have invaded iraq and im sure teh Bush admin had way more intelligence.
Lets have a good dissucion. No BS posts, try to back up what you say. No attacks, and no "bush is a dummy" or whatever if there is something im missing i want to know.
Also i know many liberals such as joe liberman said they beleived iraq Had WMD before we went to war if anyone can find these please post.

I found more!!
Link1
Link2
And the QUOTES!! Granted the URL shows severe bias but the quotes are there.

 

[Red Dawn]

Is Lieberman a Liberal?

 

[DanJ]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Is Lieberman a Liberal?

Yea, he's probably the most conservative Democrat ever....

 

[AEB]

SPIN I SAID NO SPIN! His political affiliation is Democrat


EDIT:
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority
to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe
that a deadly arsenal o f weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real
andgrave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

From above link there he is a liberal no disputing

 

[DealMonkey]

Did you hear David Kay say 'We Were Almost All Wrong'? How about all of the various UN Inspectors saying the same thing? The intelligence that we based our decisions on lacked intelligence. We should have caught Iraq red-handed with some actual WMDs (via inspectors) before making such a big deal out of it.

 

[DanJ]

Originally posted by: AEB
SPIN I SAID NO SPIN! His political affiliation is Democrat

Not trying to point fingers but you called him a liberal not a Democrat.

 

[AEB]

U are right, i can spin too good call. but respond to the meat of the my first post please i want good disscusiion

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: AEB
SPIN I SAID NO SPIN! His political affiliation is Democrat

He's very much conservative. He may as well switch sides now. He's definitely no liberal.

 

[AEB]

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
.. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real
.."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

 

[DanJ]

Originally posted by: AEB
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
.. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real
.."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

Dude, for someone who doesn't want to spin you're not leading the conversation too well. No attacks just talking about the facts yet you post a random Kerry quote from 2003? What does Kerry have to do with WMDs in Iraq in the context of the Iraq war?? Wasn't Bush in office?

Nice work.

Oh and I love your link to LiberalSCUM.com (with the disclaimer), as if you were just googling for information on WMDs and the first couple results were liberalscum.com. You clearly have no desire to do anything but spin so what's the point.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: AEB
SPIN I SAID NO SPIN! His political affiliation is Democrat


EDIT:
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority
to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe
that a deadly arsenal o f weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real
andgrave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

From above link there he is a liberal no disputing

Kerry also said, "I would never have voted for authorization if I knew he was going to f*** it up so badly." He said Bush lied to him by rushing to war after promising to exhaust every other option first.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: AEB
SPIN I SAID NO SPIN! His political affiliation is Democrat


EDIT:
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority
to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe
that a deadly arsenal o f weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real
andgrave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

From above link there he is a liberal no disputing

You right kerry was stupid to trust to bush to tell the truth about intel.

 

[AEB]

It wasnt just kerry, as my first post said, you guys are so blinded by trying to burn bush at teh stake you ignore the facts.
The issue is did bush lie about WMD. As the intell shows no.
Kerry is a big boy, if you can quote bush as saying iraq had WMD's then i can quote kerry. My point is practically everyone said what bush said but liberals want to blame bush.

 

[PELarson]

If we accept that Iraq had, and still has buried somewhere, WMD. The next question is, what changed from the start of the Afghan invasion to the beginning of the Iraq invasion that made the administration decide that finishing the job in Afghanistian was of less importance to national security than invading Iraq was?

 

[arsbanned]

NOTE: This will certainly NOT be the last thread regarding WMDs in Iraq. I don't think anyone except the owner of the Site can enforce that. Limiting discussion of an issue does not make it go away. And this one sure as HELL isn't going away. I supported their phony push to war with Iraq and I'm damned pissed about it. I want LOTS of discussion and will be voting againt Bush in the upcoming election primarily because of this issue.

kerry was stupid to trust to bush to tell the truth about intel.

Exactly.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: AEB
It wasnt just kerry, as my first post said, you guys are so blinded by trying to burn bush at teh stake you ignore the facts.
The issue is did bush lie about WMD. As the intell shows no.
Kerry is a big boy, if you can quote bush as saying iraq had WMD's then i can quote kerry. My point is practically everyone said what bush said but liberals want to blame bush.

Because Bush is the president so he is responible for his actions. Bush was in charge of the intelligences agences and they where leading the war charged the liberals just followed along.

 

[AEB]

They are still there, its quieter becasue the media isnt allowed to be involved because we think Al-Qaida watches our news, and secrecy is important to getting OBL

 

[DanJ]

Originally posted by: AEB
It wasnt just kerry, as my first post said, you guys are so blinded by trying to burn bush at teh stake you ignore the facts.
The issue is did bush lie about WMD. As the intell shows no.
Kerry is a big boy, if you can quote bush as saying iraq had WMD's then i can quote kerry. My point is practically everyone said what bush said but liberals want to blame bush.

I thought your point was that you wanted a no-spin conversation about the war in Iraq and WMDs (I believe your first post says essentially that). Not a blame game. Yet you've provided nothing but spin, congrats. Thus, your title and the reasoning for this thread is well...misleading, much like your friend in office.

Oh, snap, SPIN!

 

[DanJ]

Originally posted by: AEB
They are still there, its quieter becasue the media isnt allowed to be involved because we think Al-Qaida watches our news, and secrecy is important to getting OBL

I'm guessing the most powerful terrorist network in the world has better sources for news then CNN, FoxNews, etc..

 

[AEB]

Im not spinning. Bush went off the intel all im saying how is that spin? UN said they were there how is that spin? the liberals who say what they want, thought tehy were there. How is that spin? See? stop aviding the issue, Bush made the best desicion based on the intelligance.

 

[Gaard]

"These are not assertions, they are facts."

"There is NO DOUBT that Iraq possesses WMD."


Bush meant to deceive us all into thinking he knew FOR A FACT that Iraq had WMD. (ergo...he lied)

 

[MonstaThrilla]

Originally posted by: AEB
Im not spinning. Bush went off the intel all im saying how is that spin? UN said they were there how is that spin? the liberals who say what they want, thought tehy were there. How is that spin? See? stop aviding the issue, Bush made the best desicion based on the intelligance.

Ladies and gents, we have Bill O'Reilly frequenting our forum!!!

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: AEB
Im not spinning. Bush went off the intel all im saying how is that spin? UN said they were there how is that spin? the liberals who say what they want, thought tehy were there. How is that spin? See? stop aviding the issue, Bush made the best desicion based on the intelligance.

bolded parts = no doubt?

 

[DanJ]

Originally posted by: AEB
Im not spinning

Oh aren't you?

- http://www.liberalscum.com/leftwmd.html (brilliant source to start a no-spin thread)
- Quote about Kerry having nothing to do with the actuality of the war.
- "From above link there he is a liberal no disputing" (?? this has what to do with Iraq?)
- "U are right, i can spin too good call" (you said you were spinning now you say you weren't, oh my god FORAGAINST AEB!!)
- "you guys are so blinded by trying to burn bush at teh stake" (funnily enough as no one had attacked Bush up to that point)

 

[syzygy]

the evidence relied on intelligence, which the cia director said - not that he needed to state the obvious- is never
completely right nor completely wrong. mitigating that, in favor of the bush administration, was the indisputable
fact that a number of world intelligence agencies, including the u.n., believed the ba'athis were not being truthful
and suspected that wmd existed.

for example, germany's BND predicted iraq would have nuclear weapons within 3 years with the capacity to strike
europe (!) in 5 years. cnn link

the question is should bush and company have been so confident with information that lacked certainty. i think
yes because saddam would never have relinquished his desire to rebuild his wmd programs. once the int'l scrutiny
had subsided, he would have done so. the whole ba'ath superstructure needed uprooting.