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dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: broon
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
You libs need therapy. How many months has it been since the democrats got their arse handed to them again in a national election?

Keep wallowing in your sorrow and maybe somebody will start to care.
Have to love the ease with which Genx87 tosses about that "libs" term.

:cookie:

I've noticed "neocon" and the like get tossed around more. Both have gotten to the point where they are both meaningless.

Very true, I haven't used the "N" word since a couple of days before the Election. Both Liberal and Neocon are useless words now, I suspect that is why Rush and the rest have changed to Kooky Looney's instead.

For the ones that follow the Rich Radical Religous Right running the Country I have labeled as Chef Menteur Lemmings instead of "Neocon".

Chef Menteur means Chief Liar, Lemmings are little animals that would follow their leader off a bridge.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
The 'WHO, the 'WHERE' & the 'WHY'
USA TODAY


As Bush lays out an ambitious agenda, here are five reasons he won, and what people say about why they voted to re-elect him.

1. A wartime president

Voters were drawn to Bush by memories of the 9/11 attacks and a reluctance to change leaders in the midst of war. They won't have that option in 2008, when Bush can't run again. But the craving for continuity helped him this time among swing voters and in areas with new voters.

2. Who was tough enough?

Democrats were damaged by the perception that the party and its nominees are weak on national security. Years of attempts to counter that image, including the nomination of Vietnam vet and Iraq-war supporter Kerry, did not persuade apprehensive voters. The ads by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth attacking Kerry took a toll.

3. Values mattered

Values led some voters to Bush. This bloc was reinforced by ballot initiatives in some states to ban same-sex marriage and restrict abortion, and by the perception that the urban, liberal Kerry might restrict gun-owner rights.

Marie McGee, 50, has been voting for Democrats all her life in Democratic-leaning Boone County, Mo. The hairdresser stuck with Kerry last year, but now wishes she had joined her husband and two sisters in voting for Bush. "It's the abortion and gay marriage" issues for them, she says. Many of her friends who used to be Democrats have switched loyalties, too: "They figure if you're a Christian, you have to vote Republican."

Democrat Ben Miller, chairman of the Calhoun County (Mich.) Commission, was surprised as he campaigned door-to-door to hear even those who had lost their jobs say they would vote for Bush. When he asked why, they would say, " 'Well, I'm against gay marriage and so is he.' 'I'm against abortion and so is he.' "



4. 'The move-in people'

Republicans benefited from demographic shifts. These included an influx of 20,000 Hispanics to Osceola County since 2000 and migration of white-collar health and insurance industry workers to Boone County, home of the University of Missouri's flagship campus. In both cases, the newcomers have helped make onetime Democratic strongholds competitive. Schnarre calls them "the move-in people."

. Nuts and bolts

Republicans out-campaigned Democrats. They built better grass-roots organizations, aggressively courted newcomers and sold their candidate to voters with a smart message. Democrats fell short despite Herculean efforts in Boone and some other counties.

"What got so many counties to go red from blue in '04?"

I'm sure the Radical Right in here refutes this article since it says everything I have been saying since the Election.

I put the article info for number 3 back that the OP decided not to post.

It highlights the "Christian" part of the Brainwashed Sheeple.


 

CaptnKirk

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Just proves that Bush connected with the ignorant.

Hardly ever used words bigger than 'Cat' or Dog',
words with 4 letters or more get him in trouble.

that's DUM - Dumb !
 

broon

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674

"What got so many counties to go red from blue in '04?"

I'm sure the Radical Right in here refutes this article since it says everything I have been saying since the Election.

I put the article info for number 3 back that the OP decided not to post.

It highlights the "Christian" part of the Brainwashed Sheeple.

I don't think you really know what you are talking about. So some christians voted for Bush. Does that make christians stupid or mindless? How many christians didn't vote for Bush?
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: conjur
"The ads by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth attacking Kerry took a toll."


Damn liberal media. Can't believe the liberal media let those guys have about 15 minutes of fame (times 100) with hardly any rebuttal or critical assessment of their statements (err...lies).


Damn liberal media.
You mean that real people saw through Michael Moore's attempt to discredit Bush? They saw Michael Moore for what he is - a buffoon and an insult to the people who admire him?
WTF are you talking about? :confused:
I thought you were being cynical of the media as not really being liberal. Airing MM's material was as liberal as any media can possibly be, so I thought my post was a good rebuttal.
There's your problem.

And, btw, when did our MSM broadcast anything from Michael Moore?

Pretty much every night right up to the election. Promos every hour on the hour.

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Here's a contrubuting factor

<LA Times Clip>

On the block of Northwest Second Street where Elian Gonzalez lived for a time, Guillermina Ferrer remembers how federal agents seized the Cuban boy in an early morning raid. She remembers, too, the tear gas that wafted into her small, one-story home and made it hard for her to breathe.

"It was a crime, and so violent, to come in here and take a young boy like that," said Ferrer, 77.
The U.S. government's seizure of Elian so that the boy, then 6, could be returned to his father in Cuba still galls many Cuban Americans after nearly five years. It is as unpleasantly vivid for them as Ferrer's memory of the tear gas that she swallowed.

Early on April 22, 2000, agents acting under the direction of Janet Reno, then U.S. attorney general, used a battering ram to smash the door of the home next to Ferrer's in Miami's Little Havana district where Elian was living with relatives.

The boy had survived a shipwreck that claimed the lives of his mother and 10 others fleeing Cuba. He was then caught in an international custody battle.

During the raid, federal officers sprayed demonstrators with tear gas to prevent them from interfering.

Some of Ferrer's neighbors ? nine people from nearby homes and four others who were behind police barricades ? have sued the federal government, seeking $3.25 million for what they say are long-term injuries and emotional distress caused by the raid.

In closing arguments Monday in U.S. District Court in Miami, a Justice Department lawyer said the tear-gassing of bystanders was an "unavoidable consequence" and did not warrant the government paying damages to anyone who might have been injured.

Attorney Michael Hurley, representing 12 of the plaintiffs, called the gassing an "overreaction" by the Clinton administration. Some of those suing have claimed lingering injuries.

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Yeah, Right - Clinton personally gassed them, thought they were Kurds & he was having a 'Sadam Flashback'.

Aren't these the same people that filed and received thousands of dollars in relief funding after the
Hurricanes in Florida last year - even though Miami wasn't even affected ?
Talk about your 'New - Improved' Welfare Queens.

Well, Yes - they are

Politicians like to talk about getting rid of waste and fraud in Washington. So why has there been so little attention paid to what appears to be substantial and blatant fraud in the way the Federal Emergency Management Agency has been doling out hurricane relief funds?

Newspaper reports indicate that substantial claims have been made in areas barely brushed by last year's storms - paid out by an agency that has failed to tighten controls. In Miami-Dade County, for example, more than 10,000 residents have been paid more than $29-million for damage suffered by Hurricane Frances, when that storm landed 100 miles north of the county. Local residents said they saw neighbors dousing their furniture with water and breaking car windows with rocks ahead of FEMA inspectors in order to substantiate their claims.

An investigative series by the South Florida Sun-Sentinel has uncovered egregious and obvious fraud that would have taken FEMA investigators little time to discover on their own.

The Sun-Sentinel talked to the management of one Homestead apartment complex whose residents cashed multiple FEMA checks. He told the paper that he knew of no hurricane-related damage to any of the 92 apartments. Neighbors said the FEMA money was used for cars and jewelry.

While it is true that Florida was socked with four hurricanes in six weeks and a priority for FEMA was to get relief to those devastated by the storms, disaster aid seems to have been shoveled out the door without any real accountability.

The Sun-Sentinel found that even when local emergency management officials raised alarm bells that a community should not receive any disaster relief because it was unaffected by a storm, FEMA paid out a large numbers of claims.

In Mobile County, Ala., FEMA approved $29-million in claims last year for flooding, despite being told by the county's emergency management director that the county had suffered no damage.

This is what happens when the leadership in an agency decides that responsible stewardship should take a backseat to spending taxpayers' money. FEMA director Michael Brown has some explaining to do and members of Congress should start asking questions.

After the Sun-Sentinel series began, the inspector general's office of the Department of Homeland Security said it is investigating fraud allegations in Miami-Dade. U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., has sent letters to his Senate colleagues on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee asking for "vigorous congressional oversight" into claims arising from the recent storms, and seeking an investigation by the Government Accountability Office.

If Washington bureaucrats want to know why American taxpayers are sometimes grudging about trusting them to spend their money, here is a good example. Congress appropriated $8.5-billion to FEMA for hurricane relief after Florida's terrible summer. But when Americans hear that tens of millions of dollars went to areas that barely experienced a stiff breeze, they have reason to feel duped.

Looks like the libs are finally starting to understand that NAZI like tactics bring payback from Americans! Don't forget Waco!

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Genx87
You libs need therapy. How many months has it been since the democrats got their arse handed to them again in a national election?

Keep wallowing in your sorrow and maybe somebody will start to care.
Have to love the ease with which Genx87 tosses about that "libs" term.

:cookie:

Why don't you munch on that cookie while you read the thread and consider reality?

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Just proves that Bush connected with the ignorant.

Hardly ever used words bigger than 'Cat' or Dog',
words with 4 letters or more get him in trouble.

that's DUM - Dumb !

Some value words while others value action. Looks like the majority of the voters value action!

 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Just proves that Bush connected with the ignorant.

Hardly ever used words bigger than 'Cat' or Dog',
words with 4 letters or more get him in trouble.

that's DUM - Dumb !

Some value words while others value action. Looks like the majority of the voters value action!

Looks like the majority of voters have a collective IQ that is below that of a grapefruit.
 
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Originally posted by: conjur
"The ads by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth attacking Kerry took a toll."


Damn liberal media. Can't believe the liberal media let those guys have about 15 minutes of fame (times 100) with hardly any rebuttal or critical assessment of their statements (err...lies).


Damn liberal media.

So when did privately funded commercials become part of the damn liberal media?

:roll:

There was plenty of critical assessment of the Swift Boat ads. Why didn't Kerry fight back?
 

raildogg

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Final results are in:

Bush wins, Kerry loses! America wins, France loses!

Bush wins big!!

see sig
 

dmcowen674

No Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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Originally posted by: broon
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

"What got so many counties to go red from blue in '04?"

I'm sure the Radical Right in here refutes this article since it says everything I have been saying since the Election.

I put the article info for number 3 back that the OP decided not to post.

It highlights the "Christian" part of the Brainwashed Sheeple.

I don't think you really know what you are talking about.

So some christians voted for Bush.

Does that make christians stupid or mindless?

How many christians didn't vote for Bush?

You're right, I don't know what I'm talking about. I can't believe what I've been seeing right in front of my eyes. America used to pride itself on being smart, it's incredible to see that it now prides itself on being the dumbest Nation on the planet.

Some Christians voted Bush??? You obviously don't attend Church, at least not in the South or recently converted Northern States.

I didn't say that but if the shoe fits...

Not many, that is why I say 50.9% not the full 51% as reported by the Media.
 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Originally posted by: Condor
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Just proves that Bush connected with the ignorant.

Hardly ever used words bigger than 'Cat' or Dog',
words with 4 letters or more get him in trouble.

that's DUM - Dumb !

Some value words while others value action. Looks like the majority of the voters value action!

Looks like the majority of voters have a collective IQ that is below that of a grapefruit.

Funny, I thought the same thing everytime Clinton won!

 

imported_Condor

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: broon
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

"What got so many counties to go red from blue in '04?"

I'm sure the Radical Right in here refutes this article since it says everything I have been saying since the Election.

I put the article info for number 3 back that the OP decided not to post.

It highlights the "Christian" part of the Brainwashed Sheeple.

I don't think you really know what you are talking about.

So some christians voted for Bush.

Does that make christians stupid or mindless?

How many christians didn't vote for Bush?

You're right, I don't know what I'm talking about. I can't believe what I've been seeing right in front of my eyes. America used to pride itself on being smart, it's incredible to see that it now prides itself on being the dumbest Nation on the planet.

Some Christians voted Bush??? You obviously don't attend Church, at least not in the South or recently converted Northern States.

I didn't say that but if the shoe fits...

Not many, that is why I say 50.9% not the full 51% as reported by the Media.

So what were your comments when Clinton was given the elections twice by a third party with a mere 43% and 49% support? Just curious.

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: DevilsAdvocate
Originally posted by: conjur
"The ads by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth attacking Kerry took a toll."


Damn liberal media. Can't believe the liberal media let those guys have about 15 minutes of fame (times 100) with hardly any rebuttal or critical assessment of their statements (err...lies).


Damn liberal media.
So when did privately funded commercials become part of the damn liberal media?

:roll:

There was plenty of critical assessment of the Swift Boat ads. Why didn't Kerry fight back?
You seem to be forgetting the hours upon hours of interviews the Swift Boat liars were given on various news channels and hundreds of newspapers printing their lies with no rebuttals.
 

broon

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Originally posted by: conjur
You seem to be forgetting the hours upon hours of interviews the Swift Boat liars were given on various news channels and hundreds of newspapers printing their lies with no rebuttals.
I never saw a single swift boat ad or interview with a swift boat vet.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: broon
Originally posted by: conjur
You seem to be forgetting the hours upon hours of interviews the Swift Boat liars were given on various news channels and hundreds of newspapers printing their lies with no rebuttals.
I never saw a single swift boat ad or interview with a swift boat vet.
Then you never watched TV.
 

Darkhawk28

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: broon
Originally posted by: conjur
You seem to be forgetting the hours upon hours of interviews the Swift Boat liars were given on various news channels and hundreds of newspapers printing their lies with no rebuttals.
I never saw a single swift boat ad or interview with a swift boat vet.
Then you never watched TV.

Honestly, Conjur, some states didn't have much TV coverage. I didn't see a single Swift Boat Liar ad here in Missouri.
 

broon

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Originally posted by: conjur
Then you never watched TV.

At work CNN in on all the time. So for about 40 hrs/week I'm exposed to "right wing" media. Never saw anything there. I also never saw anything on the primetime "right wing" broadcast channel "news" shows like 20/20, 60 minutes, or the like.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: broon
Originally posted by: conjur
Then you never watched TV.

At work CNN in on all the time. So for about 40 hrs/week I'm exposed to "right wing" media. Never saw anything there. I also never saw anything on the primetime "right wing" broadcast channel "news" shows like 20/20, 60 minutes, or the like.
Then you weren't paying attention.

Here are a few examples:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200409230001 (FOX, CNN bolster SBVT claim of Kerry's "secret" Paris meeting)
http://mediamatters.org/items/200409230006 (Why are the cables still giving airtime to Swift Boat Vets attacks?)
http://mediamatters.org/items/200409220006 (The new Swift Boat Vets ad is wrong -- but you wouldn't know it from watching FOX)
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408310014 (CNN's Blitzer let Brownback get away with 527 disclosure lie)
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408270010 (Blaming the victim: CNN's Woodruff said Kerry "could have avoided" Swift Boat Vets attacks)
http://mediamatters.org/items/search/200408300005 (B.G. Burkett kept Kerry-bashing stayin' alive on Hannity & Colmes)
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408300002 (Unreliable sources: CNN panelists repeated distortions about attacks on Kerry)
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408260008 (As evidence mounts of GOP connection to anti-Kerry Swift Boat Vets, Hume and Dole deny the obvious)
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408250007 (O'Reilly: Swift Boat Veterans never said Kerry "lied")
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408260005 (Two candidates, two military records, two standards)
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408190012 (Ignoring evidence of coverage, Brent Bozell and John Gibson claimed media ignored Swift Boat Vets)
http://mediamatters.org/items/200408120007 (O'Neill did the cable news circuit, spreading discredited attacks on Kerry)
http://mediamatters.org/items/200405040004 (CNN's Blitzer failed to probe partisan ties of Kerry critic)
 

CaptnKirk

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Originally posted by: broon
Originally posted by: conjur
Then you never watched TV.

At work CNN in on all the time. So for about 40 hrs/week I'm exposed to "right wing" media. Never saw anything there. I also never saw anything on the primetime "right wing" broadcast channel "news" shows like 20/20, 60 minutes, or the like.

'Right Wing Media ? All the Pro-Bush people here have been accusing CNN &
60 Minutes of being mouth pieces for the 'Liberal Left'.

Better get yourself a 'Polarity Check', you might just be too 'Neutral'

 

conjur

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55439-2005Feb1.html
McMenamin to McCain?

Speaking of McCain, Eileen McMenamin, longtime and highly regarded political producer for CNN -- including "Inside Politics Sunday" and "Crossfire" -- and before that ABC News, is said to be heading up to Capitol Hill to become communications director for the Arizona Republican, replacing Marshall Wittmann, gone to the Democratic Leadership Council.
Hmm...Certainly fits in with the links I posted earlier, esp. CNN's Inside Politics (Judy Woodruff).