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CPA

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Originally posted by: Modeps
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Considering the fact that I don't own an SP, but the DS will play all GB, GBC, GBA games, and only costs $50 more than an SP................plus the graphics kick a$$ in Metroid DS............I'm buying.

Like I said, there's no way I'm tapping a screen with a stylus to fire at monsters.

Is that an option or how it's really going to work? If so, why do they include the buttons a control pad, then?
 

xboxist

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Before this misinformation gets out of line, please be aware that the DS can only play DS and Game Boy Advance games. It cannot play original Game Boy or Game Boy Color games.

I will probably get this too, but I will need to see some games first.
 

BamBam215

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psp = ps2 on the go. batterly life is like 10hrs or so on games and 2 hrs on movies so that's not a real good argument.
ds = trying to be innovative. can really backfire because nintendo hasn't had much success with innovation. they should have just made a more powerful gameboy.
 

DanJ

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Originally posted by: MacBaine
on top of the fact that most games will probably be ports of PS2/PS1 games

Gee, you mean like EVERY NINTENDO GAME EVER MADE? Every frickin game is either Mario, Zelda, Metroid, or some other Mario/Yoshi/Mushroom crap.
Uh, those aren't ports. Sure there are a handful that are the same exact games but for the most part they're games based on the same theme, not the same game. I'm saying a lot of PSP games will probably be the *exact* same games as found on the PS1/PS2 because it has similar power and doesn't incorporate any new features/buttons.

If the same game comes out for both the PS2 and the PSP; why would you buy the one you couldn't play on a big-screen TV? Or would you drop $100 for both?
 

BamBam215

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Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: Modeps
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Considering the fact that I don't own an SP, but the DS will play all GB, GBC, GBA games, and only costs $50 more than an SP................plus the graphics kick a$$ in Metroid DS............I'm buying.

Like I said, there's no way I'm tapping a screen with a stylus to fire at monsters.

Is that an option or how it's really going to work? If so, why do they include the buttons a control pad, then?



i think in an interview one of the developer said he was thinking of making u shoot via the stylus on the metroid game.
 

BamBam215

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Originally posted by: DanJ
Originally posted by: MacBaine
on top of the fact that most games will probably be ports of PS2/PS1 games

Gee, you mean like EVERY NINTENDO GAME EVER MADE? Every frickin game is either Mario, Zelda, Metroid, or some other Mario/Yoshi/Mushroom crap.
Uh, those aren't ports. Sure there are a handful that are the same exact games but for the most part they're games based on the same theme, not the same game. I'm saying a lot of PSP games will probably be the *exact* same games as found on the PS1/PS2 because it has similar power and doesn't incorporate any new features/buttons.

If the same game comes out for both the PS2 and the PSP; why would you buy the one you couldn't play on a big-screen TV? Or would you drop $100 for both?


that's a flawed assumption. just because it's as powerful as a ps2 doesn't mean most of the games will be exact ports. there will undoubtedly be ports but i don't think every developer will release JUST ports.

the ds is almost as powerful as the gamecube so does that mean all there will be will be ports? no.
 

z0mb13

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Originally posted by: xboxist
Before this misinformation gets out of line, please be aware that the DS can only play DS and Game Boy Advance games. It cannot play original Game Boy or Game Boy Color games.

I will probably get this too, but I will need to see some games first.

thats good enough

who still play original gb games anyways??
 

xboxist

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Originally posted by: z0mb13
Originally posted by: xboxist
Before this misinformation gets out of line, please be aware that the DS can only play DS and Game Boy Advance games. It cannot play original Game Boy or Game Boy Color games.

I will probably get this too, but I will need to see some games first.

thats good enough

who still play original gb games anyways??

Well I agree. It's just that it was mentioned a few times previously in this thread about how the DS can play every Game Boy game ever. Just wanted to correct that in case someone was all pumped to buy it because they thought they could play their original Tetris on it, or something.
 

jpeyton

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The PSP's price will almost certainly limit it's success.
 

Excelsior

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Originally posted by: MacBaine
on top of the fact that most games will probably be ports of PS2/PS1 games

Gee, you mean like EVERY NINTENDO GAME EVER MADE? Every frickin game is either Mario, Zelda, Metroid, or some other Mario/Yoshi/Mushroom crap.

Hahaha, yes! :D
 

TuxDave

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Originally posted by: BamBam215
psp = ps2 on the go. batterly life is like 10hrs or so on games and 2 hrs on movies so that's not a real good argument.
ds = trying to be innovative. can really backfire because nintendo hasn't had much success with innovation. they should have just made a more powerful gameboy.

I thought it claimed 3hrs gaming...
 

DanJ

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Originally posted by: BamBam215
Originally posted by: DanJ
Originally posted by: MacBaine
on top of the fact that most games will probably be ports of PS2/PS1 games
Gee, you mean like EVERY NINTENDO GAME EVER MADE? Every frickin game is either Mario, Zelda, Metroid, or some other Mario/Yoshi/Mushroom crap.
Uh, those aren't ports. Sure there are a handful that are the same exact games but for the most part they're games based on the same theme, not the same game. I'm saying a lot of PSP games will probably be the *exact* same games as found on the PS1/PS2 because it has similar power and doesn't incorporate any new features/buttons.

If the same game comes out for both the PS2 and the PSP; why would you buy the one you couldn't play on a big-screen TV? Or would you drop $100 for both?
that's a flawed assumption. just because it's as powerful as a ps2 doesn't mean most of the games will be exact ports. there will undoubtedly be ports but i don't think every developer will release JUST ports.

the ds is almost as powerful as the gamecube so does that mean all there will be will be ports? no.
Perhaps; but developers would obviously *want* to tweak their DS ports to take advantage of the second screen on the DS, perhaps to such a degree that it makes the game more desireable on the DS then on the Cube (eventhough the Cube is more powerful).

Developers porting a game to the PSP have really no such need or want to do so as their's nothing new except for a smaller screen then the PS2.

Their will be far more original and exclusive games for the DS then the PSP is what I'm saying.
 

BamBam215

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
The PSP's price will almost certainly limit it's success.


that's what they said about the ps2 when it came out. the thing cost 2 times as much as the next powerful dreamcast and 3 times as much as the n64.
 

BamBam215

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Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: BamBam215
psp = ps2 on the go. batterly life is like 10hrs or so on games and 2 hrs on movies so that's not a real good argument.
ds = trying to be innovative. can really backfire because nintendo hasn't had much success with innovation. they should have just made a more powerful gameboy.

I thought it claimed 3hrs gaming...



nothing is finalized yet but from this quote

""So, what is the battery life going to be on PlayStation Portable? It will be on par with traditional handheld systems, or approximately 10 hours. It is comparable to an ATC [ATRAC] portable music player, or approximately 8 hours. Or, it will be comparable to portable DVD players, which, in many cases, is about 2 and a half hours.
--Kaz Hirai, May 11, 2004"

many predicts it to be about 10 hrs for games, 8 hrs for mp3s, and 2.5hrs for movies.
 

TuxDave

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Originally posted by: BamBam215
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: BamBam215
psp = ps2 on the go. batterly life is like 10hrs or so on games and 2 hrs on movies so that's not a real good argument.
ds = trying to be innovative. can really backfire because nintendo hasn't had much success with innovation. they should have just made a more powerful gameboy.

I thought it claimed 3hrs gaming...



nothing is finalized yet but from this quote

""So, what is the battery life going to be on PlayStation Portable? It will be on par with traditional handheld systems, or approximately 10 hours. It is comparable to an ATC [ATRAC] portable music player, or approximately 8 hours. Or, it will be comparable to portable DVD players, which, in many cases, is about 2 and a half hours.
--Kaz Hirai, May 11, 2004"

many predicts it to be about 10 hrs for games, 8 hrs for mp3s, and 2.5hrs for movies.

Hmm... if they can pull that off, PSP has a fighting chance. 10 hrs of PS2 level processing power on Lithium-ion batteries is going to be tough to do.
 

BamBam215

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Originally posted by: DanJ
Originally posted by: BamBam215
Originally posted by: DanJ
Originally posted by: MacBaine
on top of the fact that most games will probably be ports of PS2/PS1 games
Gee, you mean like EVERY NINTENDO GAME EVER MADE? Every frickin game is either Mario, Zelda, Metroid, or some other Mario/Yoshi/Mushroom crap.
Uh, those aren't ports. Sure there are a handful that are the same exact games but for the most part they're games based on the same theme, not the same game. I'm saying a lot of PSP games will probably be the *exact* same games as found on the PS1/PS2 because it has similar power and doesn't incorporate any new features/buttons.

If the same game comes out for both the PS2 and the PSP; why would you buy the one you couldn't play on a big-screen TV? Or would you drop $100 for both?
that's a flawed assumption. just because it's as powerful as a ps2 doesn't mean most of the games will be exact ports. there will undoubtedly be ports but i don't think every developer will release JUST ports.

the ds is almost as powerful as the gamecube so does that mean all there will be will be ports? no.
Perhaps; but developers would obviously *want* to tweak their DS ports to take advantage of the second screen on the DS, perhaps to such a degree that it makes the game more desireable on the DS then on the Cube (eventhough the Cube is more powerful).

Developers porting a game to the PSP have really no such need or want to do so as their's nothing new except for a smaller screen then the PS2.

Their will be far more original and exclusive games for the DS then the PSP is what I'm saying.


from your logic, developers wouldn't want to port over ps2 games because the psp has a wider screen than most tvs.

we will just have to wait and see. im not sure if the psp will dethrone nintendo in the handheld department but i don't think it'll be a flop like the game gear/lynx/ngage/etc. either. if nintendo dont play their hands carefully, they might turn out like sega.
 

BamBam215

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Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: BamBam215
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: BamBam215
psp = ps2 on the go. batterly life is like 10hrs or so on games and 2 hrs on movies so that's not a real good argument.
ds = trying to be innovative. can really backfire because nintendo hasn't had much success with innovation. they should have just made a more powerful gameboy.

I thought it claimed 3hrs gaming...



nothing is finalized yet but from this quote

""So, what is the battery life going to be on PlayStation Portable? It will be on par with traditional handheld systems, or approximately 10 hours. It is comparable to an ATC [ATRAC] portable music player, or approximately 8 hours. Or, it will be comparable to portable DVD players, which, in many cases, is about 2 and a half hours.
--Kaz Hirai, May 11, 2004"

many predicts it to be about 10 hrs for games, 8 hrs for mp3s, and 2.5hrs for movies.

Hmm... if they can pull that off, PSP has a fighting chance. 10 hrs of PS2 level processing power on Lithium-ion batteries is going to be tough to do.

yeah. they either have to incorporate some new battery technology or they are exaggerating on it's power. most likely it'll be a stripped down version of the ps2 (less vector units).
 

ed21x

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Originally posted by: xcript
Originally posted by: mrCide
horrible. garbage. i'll take the PSP, thanks.
Same here. The PSP will destroy the DS.

heh, talk about blatant fanboyism about two unreleased consoles =)
If you're a specs type of guy, the following handhelds would have dethroned the gameboy in the past 10 years:

Game Gear
Atari Lynx
Wonder Swan
Neo Geo Pocket
Sega Nomad
N-Gage

etc...

I don't know about you, but my money is one a company that has proven time and time again to support their system regardless of size of userbase. Just look at Virtua Boy and N64- though neither sold that well, Nintendo still did everything they could to support their userbase with constant releases despite losing money with every game release (every game was doomed to not sell that many copies). VirtuaBoy was launched 4 times in the span of 2 years.
 

DanJ

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Originally posted by: BamBam215
Originally posted by: DanJ
Originally posted by: BamBam215
Originally posted by: DanJ
Originally posted by: MacBaine
on top of the fact that most games will probably be ports of PS2/PS1 games
Gee, you mean like EVERY NINTENDO GAME EVER MADE? Every frickin game is either Mario, Zelda, Metroid, or some other Mario/Yoshi/Mushroom crap.
Uh, those aren't ports. Sure there are a handful that are the same exact games but for the most part they're games based on the same theme, not the same game. I'm saying a lot of PSP games will probably be the *exact* same games as found on the PS1/PS2 because it has similar power and doesn't incorporate any new features/buttons.

If the same game comes out for both the PS2 and the PSP; why would you buy the one you couldn't play on a big-screen TV? Or would you drop $100 for both?
that's a flawed assumption. just because it's as powerful as a ps2 doesn't mean most of the games will be exact ports. there will undoubtedly be ports but i don't think every developer will release JUST ports.

the ds is almost as powerful as the gamecube so does that mean all there will be will be ports? no.
Perhaps; but developers would obviously *want* to tweak their DS ports to take advantage of the second screen on the DS, perhaps to such a degree that it makes the game more desireable on the DS then on the Cube (eventhough the Cube is more powerful).

Developers porting a game to the PSP have really no such need or want to do so as their's nothing new except for a smaller screen then the PS2.

Their will be far more original and exclusive games for the DS then the PSP is what I'm saying.
from your logic, developers wouldn't want to port over ps2 games because the psp has a wider screen than most tvs.

we will just have to wait and see. im not sure if the psp will dethrone nintendo in the handheld department but i don't think it'll be a flop like the game gear/lynx/ngage/etc. either. if nintendo dont play their hands carefully, they might turn out like sega.

IIRC the PS2 can run in progressive scan mode with widescreen support (as can the Cube and the XBox), thus again there'd be no difference. If you have a widescreen TV its set to a widescreen display, if not, it isn't.
 

ed21x

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Originally posted by: BamBam215
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: BamBam215
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Originally posted by: BamBam215
psp = ps2 on the go. batterly life is like 10hrs or so on games and 2 hrs on movies so that's not a real good argument.
ds = trying to be innovative. can really backfire because nintendo hasn't had much success with innovation. they should have just made a more powerful gameboy.

I thought it claimed 3hrs gaming...



nothing is finalized yet but from this quote

""So, what is the battery life going to be on PlayStation Portable? It will be on par with traditional handheld systems, or approximately 10 hours. It is comparable to an ATC [ATRAC] portable music player, or approximately 8 hours. Or, it will be comparable to portable DVD players, which, in many cases, is about 2 and a half hours.
--Kaz Hirai, May 11, 2004"

many predicts it to be about 10 hrs for games, 8 hrs for mp3s, and 2.5hrs for movies.

Hmm... if they can pull that off, PSP has a fighting chance. 10 hrs of PS2 level processing power on Lithium-ion batteries is going to be tough to do.

yeah. they either have to incorporate some new battery technology or they are exaggerating on it's power. most likely it'll be a stripped down version of the ps2 (less vector units).

If you own any DAP, you'd know that the largest battery sucker is the LCD screen, and of course gaming takes alot more processing than movies... the correct order would be:

mp3 10hrs, 2.5 hours movies, and ~2 hours gaming. This is of course assuming that the unit ships with the best battery to match any movie-capable Digital Audio Player like an Archos or iRiver PMP 140
 

BamBam215

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Originally posted by: ed21x
Originally posted by: xcript
Originally posted by: mrCide
horrible. garbage. i'll take the PSP, thanks.
Same here. The PSP will destroy the DS.

heh, talk about blatant fanboyism about two unreleased consoles =)
If you're a specs type of guy, the following handhelds would have dethroned the gameboy in the past 10 years:

Game Gear
Atari Lynx
Wonder Swan
Neo Geo Pocket
Sega Nomad
N-Gage

etc...

I don't know about you, but my money is one a company that has proven time and time again to support their system regardless of size of userbase. Just look at Virtua Boy and N64- though neither sold that well, Nintendo still did everything they could to support their userbase with constant releases despite losing money with every game release (every game was doomed to not sell that many copies). VirtuaBoy was launched 4 times in the span of 2 years.


i thought virtual boy was a complete flop that even nintendo gave up on. they released such game on it as virtual tennis.... and......... virtual tennis........ and...........virtual tennis.........

you shouldn't use the virtual boy as an example. it's a blemish on nintendo's record :p
 

ed21x

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oh it definitely is a blemish... but my point is, Nintendo does everything possible to support their system regardless of how horribly it sold. The only reason they gave up on the VirtuaBoy is because they sold less like 500 units worldwide :(
 

BamBam215

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Originally posted by: ed21x
oh it definitely is a blemish... but my point is, Nintendo does everything possible to support their system regardless of how horribly it sold. The only reason they gave up on the VirtuaBoy is because they sold less like 500 units worldwide :(


because nintendo is horrible at trying to be original. virtual boy is an example. and what about the gba and gamecube connnectivity? horrible. which is why it worries me that they are going with this stylus crap. they should have made a gameboy with a bigger screen, better processor, and continue pumping out games that they know people will buy regardless (mario, metroid, zelda). now is the wrong time to take such a risk because the psp can easily topple the ds if consumers find out the dual screen is yet another poor gimmick.
 

RagingBITCH

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Originally posted by: Modeps
Originally posted by: jpeyton
Considering the fact that I don't own an SP, but the DS will play all GB, GBC, GBA games, and only costs $50 more than an SP................plus the graphics kick a$$ in Metroid DS............I'm buying.

Like I said, there's no way I'm tapping a screen with a stylus to fire at monsters.

That's the most retarded statement in this thread.