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Final emissions test for the 951, no more inspections for me!

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halik said:
WTF are you talking about? I live in MI/OH and never had to smog anything.
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Michigan, specifically the metro Detroit area discontinued smog testing in the mid 90s. I don't have to pass any inspections, smog or otherwise, to renew my registration.
 
hanoverphist said:
that only applies to collector cars and show cars. there is a static rule of pre 1967 doesnt need emissions. i think they should rethink that ruling. and my 1980 cadillac passes with less emissions output than my 2001 truck. same with my old impala, they actually made me retest it twice, and had their supervisor come inspect it because they thought i was cheating somehow. it registered near zero on all tests. reality was, it was freshly rebuilt and very clean.

i think a rolling 25 year limit on emissions is a good thing, wish they would do it here. as it is, the registration for the cadi is under 20 bucks. it costs more to test than to register it.
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The 951 actually would qualify under AZ's exemption laws. The car is eligible for collector's insurance through Hagerty and will be eligible for historic plates when it turns 25.

ZV
 
I have to have my vehicles inspected every two years but no emissions testing. They only do that in the St. Louis area. I did look, and 25yo vehicles are exempt from the emissions testing.

Another interesting tidbit is that they passed a new law that exempts vehicles 5yo and newer from getting inspections.
 
No actual emissions inspection here in NC for my 1995 Taurus. It's 1 year too old. It just gets the safety inspection and they make sure the emissions equipment is on the vehicle.
 
Zenmervolt said:
The 951 actually would qualify under AZ's exemption laws. The car is eligible for collector's insurance through Hagerty and will be eligible for historic plates when it turns 25.

ZV
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i almost bought a 59 studebaker truck way back in high school, but the only insurance i could get on it was for being a historical vehicle. the mileage limitations kept me from buying it, since i knew id drive it more than 11k a year. i dont like the restrictions on the collectors/ historical registrations.
 
hanoverphist said:
i almost bought a 59 studebaker truck way back in high school, but the only insurance i could get on it was for being a historical vehicle. the mileage limitations kept me from buying it, since i knew id drive it more than 11k a year. i dont like the restrictions on the collectors/ historical registrations.
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Hagerty actually doesn't have any mileage restriction, but they require that you own another car for use as primary transportation and they don't count motorcycles as primary transportation. It's set up to allow people to use their collector vehicles occasionally, but not on a daily basis or as regular transportation.

ZV
 
lack emissions tests or inspections don't allow one to remove emmission equipment from the vehicle though.
 
punjabiplaya said:
I wish I could run a racepipe and/or cat-less downpipe. Stupid Houston smog.
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Why? So you can subject other people and yourself to toxic fumes? I'll never understand why people have your attitude.

The funny thing is it's only on this forum that there is any acceptance whatsoever of people running cat-less. or otherwise polluting unnecessarily. On Jeepforum, NAXJA, Miata.net, Expeditoin Portal, and all the other automotive forums I read, if you post that you want to run your vehicle without a cat you are flamed to high heaven.
 
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SSSnail said:
Translation, I couldn't give a shit less. Get over yourself.
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The fact that you're still posting (albeit still without any proof and without acknowledging the counter-evidence that has been posted) to claim that you don't care suggests otherwise.

Bottom line, you're clearly wrong and that's just the way it is.

ZV
 
Throckmorton said:
Why? So you can subject other people and yourself to toxic fumes? I'll never understand why people have our attitude.

The funny thing is it's only on this forum that there is any acceptance whatsoever of people running cat-less. On Jeepforum, NAXJA, Miata.net, Expeditoin Portal, and all the other automotive forums I read, if you post that you want to run your vehicle without a cat you are flamed to high heaven.
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Eh, a lot of the 944 forums seem to be OK with people running without cats. There are several people in Seattle who run cat-less cars (1988 and 1989 models) and still pass emissions testing easily (Seattle emissions is tailpipe only, no visual). I don't advocate doing it (the cat really doesn't add backpressure if it's sized right), but it seems a pretty common thing to see recommended in my experience, especially on 1970s cars with the early cats.

In general, the older the cars, the more places there are that condone running without cats. I can't tell you how many people I know with 1970s Corvettes who have removed the cats, including a couple of police officers. Personally, I'm of the opinion that it's best to replace the cat with an approved high-flow model rather than eliminate it entirely.

As it is, I won't be touching the cat on my car unless it clogs up or stops functioning, and even then I'll replace it rather than remove it. It's not a race-only car so I figure that I should at least try to keep emissions reasonable.

ZV
 
Yep, I was too cheap to pay the extra $200 for a high flow. At any rate, you're right that it wouldn't really make any difference power wise. I got a great deal on a pipe with a high flow for the fiancee's car though.

Maybe this is an old wife's tale, but I've heard that high flow cats (metal matrix?) don't last as long as a typical ceramic honeycomb? Any truth to this at all?
 
Snail pwned. Leaves garage forum in shame.

ZV knows his shit Snail. If you hung out here more you'd know he's the man.
 
For the cars that do lose power from their cat's wouldn't putting a cat from a larger car in give the car more power?
 
alkemyst said:
Really don't understand that since most high flow cats don't really kill power anymore.

You go and flex your EPA muscles though.
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because they are much more expensive than some SS pipe when the OE cat goes bad.

if you are boosted, cats are a huge power hog

not having a cat doesnt necessarily mean the car pollutes up a storm either
 
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