Final 9/11 Commission Report - Report Released!

[conjur]

FULL REPORT:
http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report.pdf
(site getting hammered so try this link to the Executive Summary)

CNN
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/US/resources/9.11.report/911ReportExec.pdf

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/22/9.11.full.report/index.html



NPR Site
http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=3608648
(links to the following: )
The 9-11 Commission: An Audio Chronicle

The Commission Approach to National Problems

Sept. 11 Commission Gives Preview of Report

Clearer Picture Emerges of Events of Sept. 11

9-11 Widow's Thoughts on Eve of Panel Report





9/11 Panel Blames 'Institutional Failings'
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&u=/ap/20040721/ap_on_re_us/sept_11_commission_14&printer=1

WASHINGTON - The Sept. 11 commission's final report concludes the hijackers exploited "deep institutional failings within our government" over a long period but does not blame President Bush or former President Clinton for the mistakes, according to administration officials familiar with the findings.

The report, being released Thursday, describes the patience and determination of the hijackers and said they explored weaknesses in airline and border procedures, even taking test flights to see when cockpit doors were open.

White House officials and congressional leaders were briefed on the report's findings, and Bush is to receive a copy of the 575-page report on Thursday.

"It does not place blame on particular individuals or particular incidents, but in fact it identifies institutional failings that have grown up over time about the way our government is organized," one official said.

It concludes that Bush and Clinton took the threat of al-Qaida seriously and were "genuinely concerned about the danger posed by al-Qaida," the official said. It finds that neither president was to blame for failing to stop the attacks, which were the culmination of years of planning.

 

[Gaard]

It concludes that Bush and Clinton took the threat of al-Qaida seriously

I agree.


FORE!!!

 

[conjur]

More info:
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/18/terror/main624663.shtml

includes this video link:
http://www.cbsnews.com/media/2004/07/21/video631114.rm&sec=201&vidId=201&title=Final911Report&hitboxMLC=national
(also has a link to the video of the 9/11 Hijackers passing going through airport security)

 

[conjur]

Bush comments on the report:
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10210382%255E1702,00.html

"I hope they talk about more human intelligence, because human intelligence is one of the most effective ways for us to gather intelligence in the first place.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: conjur
Bush comments on the report:
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,10210382%255E1702,00.html

"I hope they talk about more human intelligence, because human intelligence is one of the most effective ways for us to gather intelligence in the first place.

It's clear to me that Bush's efforts on all fronts have been cruelly hampered by his almost complete lack of human intelligence. :laugh:

 

[imported_Aelius]

I think Bush made the only sane comment in his presidency. Figures that almost no one knows wtf it means.

Human Inteligence as opposed to Signal Inteligence. Some spook terms.

HUMINT = Human Inteligence = A person on the ground feeding first hand information back to the spooks. (most important, a person "right there" can tell you everything you want to know that a digital picture can never tell)

SIGINT = Signal Inteligence = A satelite, SR71 Blackbird, Predator drone etc. feeding digital information back to the spooks. (good to know but not as good as HUMINT)

Today SIGINT is the primary source of inteligence for spooks and HUMINT is the thing of the past and is no longer the primary source of inteligence.

 

[tooltime]

do you think they should have invaded iran iso iraq? or both?

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Aelius
I think Bush made the only sane comment in his presidency. Figures that almost no one knows wtf it means.

Human Inteligence as opposed to Signal Inteligence. Some spook terms.

HUMINT = Human Inteligence = A person on the ground feeding first hand information back to the spooks. (most important, a person "right there" can tell you everything you want to know that a digital picture can never tell)

SIGINT = Signal Inteligence = A satelite, SR71 Blackbird, Predator drone etc. feeding digital information back to the spooks. (good to know but not as good as HUMINT)

Today SIGINT is the primary source of inteligence for spooks and HUMINT is the thing of the past and is no longer the primary source of inteligence.

Our HUMINT deficit has been known for some time, and was supposed to be addressed some years ago, the last time the CIA was in the hot seat, but you don't just grow HUMINT networks overnight.

 

[conjur]

9/11 Commission Offers Critiques On Many Fronts
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4129-2004Jul21.html

Today's report by the commission investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks will roam far beyond the hijacking plot and the government's failure to detect it, touching on issues including weapons-proliferation policies and the United States' treatment of detainees captured in the war on terrorism.

An excerpt of the report obtained by The Washington Post, for example, indicates that the panel will address the Bush administration's controversial decision not to grant prisoner-of-war protections to captured al Qaeda suspects, calling for the development of "a common coalition approach toward the detention and humane treatment of captured terrorists."

The report also urges more aggressive efforts to prevent terrorist groups from obtaining weapons of mass destruction and reveals that in 1998 U.S. officials worriedly discussed reports that al Qaeda "was intent on carrying out a 'Hiroshima,' " according to the excerpt.

The nearly 600-page report is a broad indictment of the government's efforts to combat al Qaeda before the Sept. 11 attacks. The document, to be released at a news conference here this morning, identifies as many as 10 opportunities to potentially unravel the plot and recommends a dramatic overhaul of counterterrorism efforts, including creation of a Cabinet-level intelligence chief, according to officials who have read the document, which has been the subject of a strict embargo.

A little more info before it's released.

BTW, the report is also going to be released in bookstores.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Aelius
I think Bush made the only sane comment in his presidency. Figures that almost no one knows wtf it means.

Human Inteligence as opposed to Signal Inteligence. Some spook terms.

HUMINT = Human Inteligence = A person on the ground feeding first hand information back to the spooks. (most important, a person "right there" can tell you everything you want to know that a digital picture can never tell)

SIGINT = Signal Inteligence = A satelite, SR71 Blackbird, Predator drone etc. feeding digital information back to the spooks. (good to know but not as good as HUMINT)

Today SIGINT is the primary source of inteligence for spooks and HUMINT is the thing of the past and is no longer the primary source of inteligence.

Our HUMINT deficit has been known for some time, and was supposed to be addressed some years ago, the last time the CIA was in the hot seat, but you don't just grow HUMINT networks overnight.

Until 1998, most of our Iraq HUMINT came from UN inspectors. The inspectors returned in 2002. The lack of HUMINT in 2003 falls directly on Dubya's shoulders.

 

[imported_Aelius]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: Aelius
I think Bush made the only sane comment in his presidency. Figures that almost no one knows wtf it means.

Human Inteligence as opposed to Signal Inteligence. Some spook terms.

HUMINT = Human Inteligence = A person on the ground feeding first hand information back to the spooks. (most important, a person "right there" can tell you everything you want to know that a digital picture can never tell)

SIGINT = Signal Inteligence = A satelite, SR71 Blackbird, Predator drone etc. feeding digital information back to the spooks. (good to know but not as good as HUMINT)

Today SIGINT is the primary source of inteligence for spooks and HUMINT is the thing of the past and is no longer the primary source of inteligence.

Our HUMINT deficit has been known for some time, and was supposed to be addressed some years ago, the last time the CIA was in the hot seat, but you don't just grow HUMINT networks overnight.

Until 1998, most of our Iraq HUMINT came from UN inspectors. The inspectors returned in 2002. The lack of HUMINT in 2003 falls directly on Dubya's shoulders.

Just to clarify.

I said he made a sane comment. I never said that what he actually "did" was sane or even the same thing as what he said now.

 

[conjur]

Commissioners speaking live now and taking questions.

 

[burnedout]

Here's a good one your boy Clarke pulled off [read: screwed up]

Page 137 of the 9/11 report:

?Even after bin Laden?s departure from the area, CIA officers hoped he might return, seeing the camp as a magnet that could draw him for as long as it was still set up. The military maintained readiness for another strike opportunity. On March 7, 1999, Clarke called a UAE official to express his concerns about possible associations between Emirati officials and bin Laden. Clarke later wrote in a memorandum of this conversation that the call had been approved at an interagency meeting and cleared with the CIA. When the former bin Laden unit chief found out about Clarke?s call, he questioned CIA officials, who denied having given such clearance. Imagery confirmed that less than a week after Clarke?s phone call the camp was hurriedly dismantled, and the site was deserted. CIA officers, including Deputy Director for Operations Pavitt, were irate. ?Mike? thought the dismantling of the camp erased a possible site for targeting bin Laden.?

Yes sir, you pick some damn winners.

 

[burnedout]

Here's another for conjur and Michael Moore.

Page 329, 9/11 report:

?We found no evidence that anyone at the WH above the level of Richard Clarke participated in a decision on the departure of Saudi nationals.?

LYING, LYING, LYING PROPAGANDISTS!!!!!!!

 

[conjur]

And that proves Clarke lied how exactly?


:roll:

 

[conjur]

GOP has already prepared talking points about the report:

http://www.gop.com/News/Read.aspx?ID=4441

 

[burnedout]

More on Ressam, page 179, 9/11 report:

"Later, when asked what made her decide to ask [millenniun plotter Ahmed] Ressam to step out of his vehicle, Diana Dean, a Customs inspector who referred Ressam to secondary inspectors, testified that it was her 'training and experience.' It appears that the heightened sense of alert at the national level played no role in Ressam's detention."

Accept reality, conjur. Your boy Clarke is hosed-up like a damned grapefruit.

 

[conjur]

Again, as I asked above, how does this prove Clarke lied?