filing a grievance letter...any help? - updated 10/11

MrDudeMan

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My wife has not been given her last paycheck from her previous job, and it has almost been 2 months. We have been constantly calling and stopping by asking someone to do something, but it has been far too long at this point and it's time to do something about it. The first thing we are going to do is send a grievance letter via certified mail to both the satellite office and corporate explaining the problem (she hasn't received her last paycheck) and the solution (give us the damn paycheck). If that doesn't work, we will then proceed with some type of legal action which I would assume they want to avoid, but I don't know how to do this in a stern but non-threatening way.

She is owed money for the pay period between July 29th and August 11th. She should have received a paycheck on the following Friday (August 17th), even though her last day at work was on Friday August 10th. The people there have repeatedly dodged her calls and questions, and when she shows up in person they always shift responsibility to someone else. I know this is illegal but I do not know how to pursue it. I called my dad and her dad (both of them run medium to big businesses, 1000+ employees) and they both basically said this is not a matter to be handled lightly and is definitely illegal since they get tax write-offs and similar things based on wages they've paid out. Anyway, here is what I want to happen:

1) Send them a certified letter so someone at both places has to sign for it to start a paper trail
2) Get the paycheck after they get their asses into action to avoid legal trouble

If it doesn't work that easily, which I suspect it won't, then what do I do for number 3? The amount of money is somewhere in the $450-$500 range, which is substantial. She had to quit that job because she was offered a full time 1st grade teaching position and her previous employer was more of a daycare but with some teaching built-in (she was the only teacher).


Update
alrocky - Thanks for the information and template. I drafted a letter using it and have it ready to be sent off.

I filed a complaint with the CO DoL a few minutes ago and I called a lawyer to make sure I am doing this correctly. The DoL said I have up to 2 years to recover the paycheck, so time shouldn't be a problem here. They will receive my certified letter by the end of the week with a demand for payment of wages and a due date of next Friday. I also let them know the name of my lawyer as he is up to speed on the situation and if they are unable to hit the Friday deadline, they will receive a letter from him with a summons to small claims court. We don't want a penny more than what we are owed, so don't think we are sue happy. We just want the damn paycheck.

I'll update this thread in a few days when I hear back from them. I am sending 11 copies of the letter - 3 to people who work at the local office and 8 to corporate. Hopefully that will be annoying enough to make them take action.


Update 2
My wife got a call yesterday saying her check would be available for pick-up in the next 48 hours. What a bunch of bullshit. They told her several weeks ago they were "tracking" the check and were in the process of voiding it. This may have worked on us except my wife and her family own a chocolate factory and have had to void checks several times over the last 5 years. It takes less than 1 week for the whole process, including mailing it. Before we voiced a complaint and basically threatened with litigation, it was taking them upwards of a month. All of a sudden it will be ready in the next 48 hours.

Also, and this is the icing on the already delicious cake, the morons couldn't read the demand for payment of wages form correctly. Click here to read it for yourself. There are 2 sections in this form, one which is if you no longer work there and one if you still do work there. She checked the box that says:
Termination of employment ? wages and compensation due
as she terminated her employment there. She then checked the box in that section that says she willingly terminated her employment as seen here:
When the employee quits or resigns, wages and compensation are due and payable upon the next regular payday
The moron called my wife and said "I don't understand why you think were owed the money in 24 hours." My wife said "I didn't think that. I thought I was owed the money the next Friday when paychecks were sent out, like it says on the form." My wife then read the form to her and explained to her that she didn't check the box for that section. This kind of stupidity flabbergasts me.

I'll update again at the end of tomorrow if we actually received the check. If we don't have it and they lied to us again, I'm going to steamroll them for wasting this much of my wife's time. We will go to court and fully exercise our right to collect:
Refusal to pay me or my designated agent may subject you to a significant penalty that may meet or exceed 125% of the amount owed, or up to 10 days of compensation, whichever is greater, pursuant to 8-4-109, C.R.S..
Not because I want to be litigious or sue for money we don't deserve, but we have wasted so much time talking to these idiots that it is getting ridiculous.

Update 3

Last Wednesday my wife went back armed with the Demand for Payment of Wages form and some attitude. It worked out nicely that the district manager was there when my wife walked in and took the form out of her hand immediately. The woman who has been jerking us around reports to the DM and my wife made sure to point this out. The DM called after she left and said you will have your paycheck in 48 hours after reading over the form and coming to understand that it's been almost 2 months since the paycheck was due. This apparently did not make her very happy with the office manager as you can imagine.

Friday night rolls around and there has been no phone call or any sign of the paycheck. Monday was a holiday so we didn't expect it then either, but still no one called us. I was getting ready to go there myself and give them a blunt, non-violent but threatening ultimatum about the paycheck because of all of the lies. First it was "your check is in the mail", then it was "it's processing", and then it was "you'll have it in 48 hours". Luckily the check showed up on Tuesday and they called my wife before my lunch break because I was heading over there. I told my boss what was going on in case I didn't make it back in my normal lunch break window. It actually was a let down because I was looking forward to unloading on these people for jerking my wife around this much. Oh well, at least we got the paycheck. :thumbsup:
 

Scouzer

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Your first letter should be more accomodating than what your implying here. It should be something along the lines of 'I'm sure this is a simple clerical mistake, plz resolve kthx' before you start firing off the artillery.

Also, don't you have a sort of labour board in the states? Here in Canada I'm pretty sure you can whine to them to make trouble before you have to do all the legal legwork yourself.
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: Scouzer
Your first letter should be more accomodating than what your implying here. It should be something along the lines of 'I'm sure this is a simple clerical mistake, plz resolve kthx' before you start firing off the artillery.

Also, don't you have a sort of labour board in the states? Here in Canada I'm pretty sure you can whine to them to make trouble before you have to do all the legal legwork yourself.

We've been given the run around for far too long. They've said several times "your check is in the mail" and we've never received one. They said the address was wrong and they would void it and send another, but that was 3 weeks ago. There will not be much leniency in this letter as they deserve none. This is incredibly irresponsible of them and they need to get it in gear, but I don't want to pursue legal action unless absolutely necessary. I really don't want to waste my time doing a heap paperwork to solve something they should have done themselves months ago.

I am essentially asking for help from anyone who knows how to handle a situation like this or how to write a letter of this nature. I have no experience with this.

I am going to call the Colorado Department of Labor tomorrow and see what my options are. I know they are probably going to suggest some type of mediation, which would be ok with me I guess. I am also going to investigate this and see if it has breeched some type of federal ruling or law as it would be good leverage. Let me reiterate something: we do not want anything from them other than what we are rightfully owed.
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: BigJ
MrDudeMan,

I was browsing the Colo. Labor Dept website and found this form:

http://www.coworkforce.com/lab/ComboDemand.pdf

It's a form entitled DEMAND FOR PAYMENT OF WAGES.

I'd go ahead and send that out via certified mail. Then I'd go ahead and contact the DoL and issue a Request for Mediation (also another link on their website).

Thanks. That is extremely helpful.
 

RossMAN

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Originally posted by: BigJ
MrDudeMan,

I was browsing the Colo. Labor Dept website and found this form:

http://www.coworkforce.com/lab/ComboDemand.pdf

It's a form entitled DEMAND FOR PAYMENT OF WAGES.

I'd go ahead and send that out via certified mail. Then I'd go ahead and contact the DoL and issue a Request for Mediation (also another link on their website).

Here's the Request for Mediation form:

http://www.coworkforce.com/lab/ComboMediation.pdf

This is the spirit of AT :thumbsup:
 

MrDudeMan

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I am curious what to put for the approximate amount owed. I'm not sure how many hours she worked (it is a full-time position but her hours varied every week). She claims it was somewhere in the neighborhood of 35 hours each week, but we can't be sure at this point. I don't want to unintentionally put a lesser value than what she is owed and screw us out of any money. For reference, her compensation was $11.75/hr and her typical paycheck was anywhere between $415 and $580. I guess I could put $550, but what if they interpret that as gross instead of net? Maybe I could explicitly mention she is owed $700-$750 gross and $550-$600 net.
 

alrocky

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Refusal to pay me or my designated agent in accordance with the law may subject you to penalties of 50 dollars per day commencing from the date that such wages first became due and payable.
Hopefully that will get their attention.

35hr * 2 wk * $11.75 = $822.50. Tell them they owe you appox $830 and let them figure out the exact amount. Anyone in a similar situation should have started sending certified letters within the first ~3 weeks. Include log of when and who you spoke and do so in the future. Mention that so & so said on such and such date a check supposedly was sent to a wrong address. (This implies an acknowledged legal debt owed to your wife. They should have a record of said check and the amount.) Write:

"This is not a rhetorical question as I'd like a reply:

Did you really send the check to the wrong address?"

Thats one sentence paragraph requires them to acknowledge that they sent a check, which in turn means they know they owe your wife money.

Your demand letter should include a request that they reply to you within 5 days in writing, acknowledging receipt of your letter and stating when they will remit payment of wages as they are required by law to do. Send as many certified copies of the letter as you can to as many specific named individuals as you can think of. Mention that copies of the letter are being sent all named persons = CC. (If you must telephone anyone, ask for their name and the spelling each time, even if you know it already. Let them hear you say, "OK, it's 9:05 Tuesday 2nd. Thank you, [their name].")

Specifically ask that they call you upon receipt of certified letter affirming that you will receive the payroll check within 5 days. Send a certified letter a week asking for reply and payment: "Last week I sent you a letter asking for payroll money legally owed to my wife..."

If you really want to get their attention, send future letters to their homes.

You may be able to sue them in Small Claims Court.

EDIT: sigh... typo on wage

If you do not provide this form to your former employer within 60 days after the date of separation, you may not be entitled to the penalties provided for under the statute
- yikes! I hope this doesn't apply or that they don't notice it. Send right away!

 

alrocky

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Dear FLN,

I request your help in resolving what should be a simple solution regarding with my last paycheck. I worked for CompanyName for X Years/Months from Month/Year to Month/Day/Year. Somehow I did not receive my last paycheck (of appox. value of $800) on Month/Day/Year for the two weeks I worked from Month/Day/Year to Month/Day/Year.

I have made X attempts the last X number of weeks contacting by telephone and or in person FLN, FLN, FLN, FLN, FLN and many other employees of CompanyName asking for their help in the ostensibly simple chore of mailing me a check for my last two weeks at work. As a matter of fact, on Month/Day, FLN said a check was sent on Month/Day. Oddly that check never showed up. FLN said on Month/Day that it was sent to the wrong address and another would be sent in it's place. Presumably the second and third check were sent to different wrong addresses. Please answer this question as it is not rhetorical:

Was my last paycheck really sent to the wrong address?

It has been X number of days since I worked for CompanyName and X number of days since Month/Day when I should have received my last paycheck. Please find attached a Demand For Payment of Wages as provided to my by the Colorado Division of Labor. Note the section that reads:

I hereby make a formal demand for payment of wages and compensation due me in accordance with Title 8, Article 4 of the Colorado Revised Statutes, as amended. Refusal to pay me or my designated agent in accordance with the law may subject you to penalties of 50 dollars per day commencing from the date that such wages first became due and payable.

I'm sending this certified letter to you and CC copies of same to the persons at the bottom of this letter. I ask your assistance in resolving this matter now before it become costlier to me or CompanyName. You may at your convience send my paycheck via ExpressMail to my address below or if you wish to deposit directly to my bank account, please call me for routing information.

I further request that you telephone me upon receipt of this letter to let me know that payment is forthcoming and should arrive by a specific date, and follow up with a written reply acknowledging both payment and receipt of this letter within 7 days. If not I will write another letter explaining which legal recourse my husband and I will undertake.


Respectfully Yours,

A Woman Scorned
address
city, state zip
telephone number

CC:
FLN
job title

FLN
job title

FLN
job title

FLN
job title

FLN
job title

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FLN = First Last Name

sample template for the OP
 

MrDudeMan

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alrocky - Thanks for the information and template. I drafted a letter using it and have it ready to be sent off.

I filed a complaint with the CO DoL a few minutes ago and I called a lawyer to make sure I am doing this correctly. The DoL said I have up to 2 years to recover the paycheck, so time shouldn't be a problem here. They will receive my certified letter by the end of the week with a demand for payment of wages and a due date of next Friday. I also let them know the name of my lawyer as he is up to speed on the situation and if they are unable to hit the Friday deadline, they will receive a letter from him with a summons to small claims court. We don't want a penny more than what we are owed, so don't think we are sue happy. We just want the damn paycheck.

I'll update this thread in a few days when I hear back from them. I am sending 11 copies of the letter - 3 to people who work at the local office and 8 to corporate. Hopefully that will be annoying enough to make them take action.
 

JEDI

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Originally posted by: MrDudeMan
My wife has not been given her last paycheck from her previous job, and it has almost been 2 months. We have been constantly calling and stopping by asking someone to do something, but it has been far too long at this point and it's time to do something about it. The first thing we are going to do is send a grievance letter via certified mail to both the satellite office and corporate explaining the problem (she hasn't received her last paycheck) and the solution (give us the damn paycheck). If that doesn't work, we will then proceed with some type of legal action which I would assume they want to avoid, but I don't know how to do this in a stern but non-threatening way.

She is owed money for the pay period between July 29th and August 11th. She should have received a paycheck on the following Friday (August 17th), even though her last day at work was on Friday August 10th. The people there have repeatedly dodged her calls and questions, and when she shows up in person they always shift responsibility to someone else. I know this is illegal but I do not know how to pursue it. I called my dad and her dad (both of them run medium to big businesses, 1000+ employees) and they both basically said this is not a matter to be handled lightly and is definitely illegal since they get tax write-offs and similar things based on wages they've paid out. Anyway, here is what I want to happen:

1) Send them a certified letter so someone at both places has to sign for it to start a paper trail
2) Get the paycheck after they get their asses into action to avoid legal trouble

If it doesn't work that easily, which I suspect it won't, then what do I do for number 3? The amount of money is somewhere in the $450-$500 range, which is substantial. She had to quit that job because she was offered a full time 1st grade teaching position and her previous employer was more of a daycare but with some teaching built-in (she was the only teacher).


Update
alrocky - Thanks for the information and template. I drafted a letter using it and have it ready to be sent off.

I filed a complaint with the CO DoL a few minutes ago and I called a lawyer to make sure I am doing this correctly. The DoL said I have up to 2 years to recover the paycheck, so time shouldn't be a problem here. They will receive my certified letter by the end of the week with a demand for payment of wages and a due date of next Friday. I also let them know the name of my lawyer as he is up to speed on the situation and if they are unable to hit the Friday deadline, they will receive a letter from him with a summons to small claims court. We don't want a penny more than what we are owed, so don't think we are sue happy. We just want the damn paycheck.

I'll update this thread in a few days when I hear back from them. I am sending 11 copies of the letter - 3 to people who work at the local office and 8 to corporate. Hopefully that will be annoying enough to make them take action.

how much is the weeks pay?

how much is the lawyer?

contracting CO DoL :thumbsup:

might also want to contact BBB and attorney general's office
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: JEDI

how much is the weeks pay?

how much is the lawyer?

contracting CO DoL :thumbsup:

might also want to contact BBB and attorney general's office

The amount we are due is in the range of $500-$600, or a gross of $800.

The lawyer advice is free as he is a family friend. If we actually have to go to court and I need a lawyer, I will pay him for his time. I'm not sure how much but I know he isn't going to take me for a ride.

Thanks. They were really helpful.

If things aren't resolved peacefully by next Friday, we will be taking this to the next level unfortunately.
 

bctbct

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I think some states have penalties that are paid to the employee, seems like I heard 2/12 times the salary owed. Check it out and get your money, all of it. GL
 

PokerGuy

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Good job going after them. I think you (your wife) have been very reasonable, and nobody would see what you're doing as being "sue happy". If they don't pay up, go after them for the max you can......
 

BoomerD

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I have no idea how Colorado law deals with the subject, but in many states, she's entitled for a day's pay at her regular wages for every day she has to wait for her check past the state-mandated waiting period. In Kahleeforneeya, if you quit, the company has 72 hours to have your check available for you to pick up. If they fire you or lay you off, they have to pay you immediately (there are some provisions for night/weekends) or the penalty kicks in. I've cashed in a couple of times on this...wait a week, get a week's free pay. When we were in Utah, my wife got 2 weeks free pay when the company she worked for laid her off...and told her she had to wait until the next scheduled payday...I would be surprised if Colorado doesn't have a similar law.
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
I have no idea how Colorado law deals with the subject, but in many states, she's entitled for a day's pay at her regular wages for every day she has to wait for her check past the state-mandated waiting period. In Kahleeforneeya, if you quit, the company has 72 hours to have your check available for you to pick up. If they fire you or lay you off, they have to pay you immediately (there are some provisions for night/weekends) or the penalty kicks in. I've cashed in a couple of times on this...wait a week, get a week's free pay. When we were in Utah, my wife got 2 weeks free pay when the company she worked for laid her off...and told her she had to wait until the next scheduled payday...I would be surprised if Colorado doesn't have a similar law.

They do, but we felt kinda bad about leaving them so I wouldn't want to take them to the cleaners over this. She wasn't able to give a lot of notice and they were good to her while she was there. However, had this turned out worse, we would definitely be collecting the penalty money.
 

pontifex

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"I'm going to fucking steamroll them for wasting this much of my wife's time"

sounds like you did all the work.
 

MrDudeMan

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Originally posted by: pontifex
"I'm going to fucking steamroll them for wasting this much of my wife's time"

sounds like you did all the work.

I did most of the ranting and raving, but she spent the most amount of time on the phone and/or making trips to try and get her check. I was really mad when I wrote that and probably should have waited until I cooled off to write the OP because that isn't really how I was feeling. I was annoyed that my wife was going through this and that they were stringing her along, but I never wanted more than what was rightfully ours. Like I said before, had this turned out differently and we had to go to court, THEN I would have pursued our options and collect the penalties.
 

alrocky

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Last Wednesday my wife went back armed with the Demand for Payment of Wages form and some attitude. It worked out nicely that the district manager was there... The woman who has been jerking us around reports to the DM and my wife made sure to point this out... This apparently did not make her very happy with the office manager as you can imagine.

Luckily the check showed up on Tuesday... Oh well, at least we got the paycheck.
That's good news. I have no reason to think so but if it bounces I'm sure you'll let us know. :eek:

You might send a thank you letter to the DM and mention in passing "the woman (who has been jerking)" you around:

"Writing just to let you know that we received the paycheck a few days after speaking with you. I wish I had contacted you earlier and want to thank you for resolving this routine procedure that "FLN woman" struggled with for 2 months."

CC to that FLN woman. :light: