Figure skating: 3rd place Asian girl gets bumped from Olympics

[CanOWorms]

If a country is 100% white... how much white privilege would there be in it? Would it be 100% white privilege, or 0%? It seems like it would be 0% because everyone there would be forced to judge one another on factors that had nothing to do with them being white, because white was just a universal non-factor. So I guess maybe the only way to defeat racial privilege is through homogeneity?

Are you suggesting removing white people from that country? That seems very extreme.

There are likely many ways to defeat or at least minimize racial privileges such as white privilege. For example, people can be taught to restrain themselves from abusing it. In this case, Wagner should realize what's going on and resign. Gross abuse of privilege can be made a felony, too. In this case, she would be prosecuted and possibly sentenced to prison.

 

[CanOWorms]

Why in the world would you send an inferior skater over the superior skater regardless of their ethnic background?

Their records over the past couple of years clearly show that they sent the skater who will give the US a better chance at a medal. What else is there to say about it?

In the context of a Winter Olympics in Russia, Nagasu is the superior skater to me. The records clearly show that she performs better in Russia, performs better recently (in the recent US competition), has prior well-received Olympics experience, has performed better in more diverse geographic areas, and performs better when privileges are normalized.

 

[Geosurface]

In this case, she would be prosecuted and possibly sentenced to prison.

And you talk to me about extreme? Frankly, when you post stuff like this I am about 90% sure you're doing some sort of Andy Kaufman style method parody of liberals. I hope so, I really do.

Are you suggesting removing white people from that country? That seems very extreme.

Did you mean non-white people? Either way, no I'm not suggesting that. I was just using rhetorical devices to point out some of the silly aspects of your whole "white privilege" narrative.

What I am suggesting, is that if the privilege narrative is to be accepted, then the implication seems to be that any country which is currently majority white (though this applies to any country which is majority anything, we'll use white because it's what you like to harp on) is actually creating MORE VICTIMS of white privilege every time they allow any non-white immigrants in.

When the US was 90% white in 1960, you could argue that white privilege was much stronger I suppose (though in a very real sense it was much weaker because being white didn't impress anyone, because nearly everyone was, so very low market value for being white)... but even if you believe that, the number of victims of it was far smaller. Now, with whites being 60% of the population or so, the other 40% are all victims of white privilege!!! Right? So aren't we increasing the number of victims every time we allow any new non-white immigrants in?

And this will continue until the point where the situation flips. We will go from increasing and increasing the victims of white privilege with our current immigration policy, until that day when the demographics shift such that whites are the new victims of someone else's privilege. Of course, in reality that's already the case when a white person applies for a job or admission to a school, often times, just because they're white, their chances of admission/hiring drop significantly. And unlike the phantoms of white privilege you swat at, that's government endorsed and mandated, solid, and undeniable.

So again, I say that homogeneity in a culture is the only way to avoid the curse of privilege! Any nation which decides to become more diverse, is dooming millions to suffering the consequences of majority privilege not being extended to them. Any cultures which already are diverse, should clearly adhere to immigration and social policies calculated to avoid getting MORE diverse, because it will only lead to more conflict, more victims of privilege, etc.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Yes, normalize. Nagasu seems like she would perform better at the Olympics and therefore she should have been picked. Nagasu performs better in foreign locales where white privilege is more neutralized.

Racist

 

[Muse]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/sochi/2014/01/12/ashley-wagner-us-olympic-team-/4440029/

Who watched ladies figure skating last night? If you were watching, you probably noticed the coverage was all about the 3 white blonde girls, while the Asian girl hardly got a mention, despite being in 3rd place after the short skate.

Well, the Asian girl upset the natural order of things by skating near perfectly, while the favorite Ashely Wagner choked and fell twice, coming in 4th. Results were like this:

1. Gracie Gold
2. Polina Edmunds
3. Mirai Nagasu

4. Ashley Wagner

So, there are 3 open spots for the Sochi Olympics and you would think these top finishers earned the right to go, yes? Nope. Today they decided to bump Mirai Nagasu and send Wagner. They bump the one Asian girl and send the 3 white blonde girls. Anyone else think that's messed up?

Well, you do seem to be seeing this through a filter to detect racism. I am not saying that racism wasn't a factor, I don't know, but there were other considerations. Wagner had been an ace judging from previous competitions. The committee is supposed to put people on the team who they deem give the highest possibility of winning medals.

Kristi Yamaguchi, for one, was an example of a not blonde white girl on the team that won gold. They do pick them. If you think there's a pattern of racism, make that case.

 

[bshole]

Perhaps this is just a case of ugly bias. The asian girl is very unattractive and the blonde girl is hot. Likewise Yamaguchi was extremely hot, it didn't matter that she was asian. Nobody wants the ugly person win, they cheer for the good-looking one. Sad but true.

 

[Fern]

People, please.

The Olympic higher-ups who control ice skating badly want us to perform well in those Olympic events. They're not going to sacrifice their reputations and put all their hard work on the line to dump on some Asian woman for racists reasons.

Fern

 

[Triumph]

Perhaps this is just a case of ugly bias. The asian girl is very unattractive and the blonde girl is hot. Likewise Yamaguchi was extremely hot, it didn't matter that she was asian. Nobody wants the ugly person win, they cheer for the good-looking one. Sad but true.

Obviously you've never heard of Oksana Baiul. Argument invalid.

 

[CanOWorms]

And you talk to me about extreme? Frankly, when you post stuff like this I am about 90% sure you're doing some sort of Andy Kaufman style method parody of liberals. I hope so, I really do.

Social terrorism needs to be challenged.

Did you mean non-white people? Either way, no I'm not suggesting that. I was just using rhetorical devices to point out some of the silly aspects of your whole "white privilege" narrative.

What I am suggesting, is that if the privilege narrative is to be accepted, then the implication seems to be that any country which is currently majority white (though this applies to any country which is majority anything, we'll use white because it's what you like to harp on) is actually creating MORE VICTIMS of white privilege every time they allow any non-white immigrants in.

When the US was 90% white in 1960, you could argue that white privilege was much stronger I suppose (though in a very real sense it was much weaker because being white didn't impress anyone, because nearly everyone was, so very low market value for being white)... but even if you believe that, the number of victims of it was far smaller. Now, with whites being 60% of the population or so, the other 40% are all victims of white privilege!!! Right? So aren't we increasing the number of victims every time we allow any new non-white immigrants in?

And this will continue until the point where the situation flips. We will go from increasing and increasing the victims of white privilege with our current immigration policy, until that day when the demographics shift such that whites are the new victims of someone else's privilege. Of course, in reality that's already the case when a white person applies for a job or admission to a school, often times, just because they're white, their chances of admission/hiring drop significantly. And unlike the phantoms of white privilege you swat at, that's government endorsed and mandated, solid, and undeniable.

So again, I say that homogeneity in a culture is the only way to avoid the curse of privilege! Any nation which decides to become more diverse, is dooming millions to suffering the consequences of majority privilege not being extended to them. Any cultures which already are diverse, should clearly adhere to immigration and social policies calculated to avoid getting MORE diverse, because it will only lead to more conflict, more victims of privilege, etc.

The problem is that you're only looking at one type of privilege. All types of privileges need to be challenged and your solution doesn't deal with that until a country is devoid of all people. I'm suggesting possible solutions that can be used to challenge them all so that people actually earned what they have rather than coasting on privilege.

 

[Geosurface]

The problem is that you're only looking at one type of privilege. All types of privileges need to be challenged and your solution doesn't deal with that until a country is devoid of all people. I'm suggesting possible solutions that can be used to challenge them all so that people actually earned what they have rather than coasting on privilege.

If you really believe that inequality, unfairness, and privilege can be eliminated then you're not living in the real world. Your head is in the clouds of utopian, leftist fantasy.

 

[zinfamous]

football happens in about 36 hours.

stop this shit that no one cares about.

 

[CanOWorms]

If you really believe that inequality, unfairness, and privilege can be eliminated then you're not living in the real world. Your head is in the clouds of utopian, leftist fantasy.

I don't think it can be eliminated, but it can be reduced. Right now America is a giant welfare state of white privilege.

 

[Geosurface]

I don't think it can be eliminated, but it can be reduced. Right now America is a giant welfare state of white privilege.

Don't you think that being the majority group will always carry certain advantages and privileges with it?

Why do people want whites to lose their majority everywhere they currently have it? the US, Canada, Australia, and Europe are all headed in that direction.

No other group on the planet is on that kind of trajectory and nobody's insisting it would be a good thing if they were. I don't understand this. I don't understand why it's a good thing for whites to be dispossessed, displaced, and reduced.

Do you believe there should be nowhere on the planet that whites who wish to live and work among other whites are able to do so? Or just explain to me why the majority's sensibilities being represented by the culture, and why being in the majority giving you advantages, is a bad thing? And what you think needs to happen to reduce "white privilege" to your satisfaction?

 

[CanOWorms]

Don't you think that being the majority group will always carry certain advantages and privileges with it?

Sure, but not to such a disproportionate amount as we have in America today. It may be a form of social terrorism.

Why do people want whites to lose their majority everywhere they currently have it? the US, Canada, Australia, and Europe are all headed in that direction.

It's not a matter of majorities, but a matter of sensible moderation of privileges.

Additionally, whites are still majorities in the foreseeable future in the Middle East, Caucasus, Iran, etc. Additionally, Europe is historically always a spark away from genocide, so you might get your utopia in the future.

No other group on the planet is on that kind of trajectory and nobody's insisting it would be a good thing if they were. I don't understand this. I don't understand why it's a good thing for whites to be dispossessed, displaced, and reduced.

As discussed above, you're incorrect. You seem to be primarily focusing on European whites and their associated settler colonies.

Europe should be an open territory for the world because it was developed by extracting resources from pillaging the entire world for centuries. Moreover, with the declining birthrates, it's just not efficient for humanity to let all of the infrastructure built from the extracted resources just go to waste.

Do you believe there should be nowhere on the planet that whites who wish to live and work among other whites are able to do so?

I think that there are some white supremacy compounds around Idaho. I'm ok with their existence even if I oppose their beliefs. You should probably check them out.

Or just explain to me why the majority's sensibilities being represented by the culture, and why being in the majority giving you advantages, is a bad thing? And what you think needs to happen to reduce "white privilege" to your satisfaction?

It's a bad thing for society. It creates inefficiencies and does not allow a country to reach its full potential. Obviously it's a good thing for the majority because they don't earn what they have. Being the recipient of what is likely the most intense and generous governmental and societal welfare humanity has ever experienced is extremely powerful.

That's what is happening here with Wagner. She doesn't even deserve to be in the Olympics. America can't even reach its full potential in the events.

Maybe she'll win a gold. She may do a great job. But she doesn't deserve a spot. It's ugly white privilege.

 

[her209]

The demographics of the USA are a manifestation of our dedication to diversity, just like China's demographics are a manifestation of their lack of interest in diversity.

Re-write US history much?

 

[brianmanahan]

Re-write US history much?

the US is way more diverse than canada

 

[Victorian Gray]

the US is way more diverse than canada

Remove the African American (Canada never had the slave issue/numbers that the US had) and Hispanic factors (obviously we don't have the same issues with illegal entry from Mexico) and it's almost the same.

 

[nehalem256]

This article goes into depth on the change in selection criteria. I think the example below should put to rest any argument that it was due to racism

http://deadspin.com/the-real-reason-ashley-wagner-made-the-u-s-olympic-fig-1502787187

Had the more flexible selection procedure not been in place in 2011, it is doubtful that Gabby Douglas would've won Olympics gold the following year. At the 2011 nationals, she put up a disastrous performance—falls on more than one event, two balked attempts at her beam dismount—but was named to the training squad for the world championships. She ultimately competed (and competed very well) for the U.S. in Tokyo. That experience in 2011 laid the groundwork for her 2012, when she not only won the Olympic all-around but was also the only American to compete on every event during the team final. It wasn't "merit" that got Douglas on the 2011 team, but potential.

Pic of Gabby Douglas

Anyone think she benefited from white privilege?

 

[M0RPH]

Did anyone happen to catch the Smuckers Figure Skating Spectacular that was on NBC today? I missed it, and I'm wondering if they had Mirai Nagasu on the show, and whether they said anything about the controversy. Anyone know?