Figthing for The lazy & Stupid - CTU & Democrats

[michal1980]

Looks like Rahm folded, gave the teacher blowhard whatever they wanted:

gaurenteed raise -4% a year, more if you worked longer, and teacher eveluations have been punted to a "establishing a joint committee to craft a new teacher evaluation plan."

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/09...hes-day-5-tentative-deal-may-be-in-the-works/

This is what happens when the union elects its own boss. The tax payer gets shafted.

The kids get shafted. The great/hard working teacher gets shafted.

The winner? The teachers union bosses that get to collect bosses, and every lazy stupid slacker teacher that once again will get the same raise as a good teacher.

Ya for unions.

 

[cybrsage]

He is a democrat, it was a foregone conclusion he was going to fold to those who control his reelection bid.

 

[chucky2]

I wonder if Daley called up Rahm and was like, 'See, I told you how it was going to be. You owe me that $1.'

Then again, likely this was all for show. The unions are a Proggie like Rahm bread and butter vote, no way was the union not going to get what it wanted. Here's what I'd like to know:

Given the budget gap, where is this extra money coming from again? Obviously they determined that before they agreed to these terms, right? Or, does the money come from the Hope and Change account?

(makes mental note to GTFO of Crook Co. ASAP, starting looking for places in Indiana)

Chuck

 

[K1052]

They haven't even made the framework of the deal public. Not sure how we can judge who won and who lost yet.

 

[michal1980]

I wonder if Daley called up Rahm and was like, 'See, I told you how it was going to be. You owe me that $1.'

Then again, likely this was all for show. The unions are a Proggie like Rahm bread and butter vote, no way was the union not going to get what it wanted. Here's what I'd like to know:

Given the budget gap, where is this extra money coming from again? Obviously they determined that before they agreed to these terms, right? Or, does the money come from the Hope and Change account?

(makes mental note to GTFO of Crook Co. ASAP, starting looking for places in Indiana)

Chuck

it'll come from every tax payer that hss no gaurenteed raise and will be fired if they do a bad job.

remeber chicago tax payers, you work for goverment.

 

[K1052]

Given the budget gap, where is this extra money coming from again? Obviously they determined that before they agreed to these terms, right? Or, does the money come from the Hope and Change account?

It has been the plan to close and consolidate underused/under performing schools, even CTU realizes that it's inevitable. That's where the union's demand that laid off teachers get priority to be rehired at new schools came from.

 

[lotus503]

it'll come from every tax payer that hss no gaurenteed raise and will be fired if they do a bad job.

remeber chicago tax payers, you work for goverment.

Looks as if you spent some time with a horrible english teacher, you have every right to be upset.

 

[CitizenKain]

Good on the unions.

 

[feralkid]

"Figthing for The lazy & Stupid"

 

[michal1980]

Looks as if you spent some time with a horrible english teacher, you have every right to be upset.

geuss what, it was a bunch of CTU teachers too.

Guy showed up at work, put he's feet up on the desk and read the paper/book every day.

Got the same raise as the math teacher that actually did teach.

But the union & dem's dont care, as long as the money keeps rolling in, fuck the kids, its about the pay check.

 

[bfdd]

There is no place for public unions, by taking a Government offered job you are participating in the Union already. The Union of people who recognize the Government and lend it the ability to take action in their place. It's absolutely ridiculous that it was ever allowed.

 

[Moonbeam]

Old McOnePercent Brainwasher had an altered reality funny farm EE-I-EE-I-O

And on the funny far he had some pucking robo-chickens EE-I-EE-I-O

With a puke puke here and a puke puke there, here a puke there a puke everywhere a puke puke

EE-I-EE-I-O

 

[MovingTarget]

They haven't even made the framework of the deal public. Not sure how we can judge who won and who lost yet.

This. You can't judge a deal until you know what the 'deal' is. The anti-union folks frothing at the mouth over this have no leg to stand on...yet. Besides, to be honest, these folks wouldn't even consider that the CTU may have had legitimate grievances.

 

[MovingTarget]

The New York Times seems to have a bit more information than the article linked to in the OP, but not much more. Details are still pretty scarce.


NYTimes

The agreement appeared likely to maintain several provisions Mr. Emanuel and school officials had pressed for — a longer school day, principals’ ability to ultimately hire teachers and a teacher evaluation system that would, at least in some way, include student test scores as one consideration. But many details were not known, including a final agreement on raises for teachers — one proposal had suggested an average teacher get 16 percent over four years — and on benefits.

 

[michal1980]

Old McOnePercent Brainwasher had an altered reality funny farm EE-I-EE-I-O

And on the funny far he had some pucking robo-chickens EE-I-EE-I-O

With a puke puke here and a puke puke there, here a puke there a puke everywhere a puke puke

EE-I-EE-I-O

Theres a reason you'd join a union and support them. Your too stupid to make it on your own.

 

[Double Trouble]

The details are not known yet at this point so it's jumping to gun to proclaim winners and losers. That said, we all know Rahm's leanings, I'll be very surprised if the unions don't come out with whatever they want at the expense of the taxpayers, the kids and the city. It's what happens when the taxpayers are not represented at the bargaining table.

 

[glenn1]

Speaking of lazy and stupid, if the parents actually gave a shit about their kids they'd move to the suburbs or do whatever it takes to keep their kids out of Chicago public schools. Since they didn't, or are too poor to do so, then fuck 'em.

 

[CitizenKain]

Theres a reason you'd join a union and support them. Your too stupid to make it on your own.

Awww, look who doesn't understand unions. Then again, the only people who don't support them simply lack the ability to understand them.

 

[unokitty]

Awww, look who doesn't understand unions. Then again, the only people who don't support them simply lack the ability to understand them.

Ever carried a union card? I have Teamsters Local 743.

Original poster is correct:

Teachers Union winning means students losing...

Uno

 

[hardhat]

The CTU really did take this too far. There's no valid reason that they should be excluded from budget cuts, much less insist on raises. Unions only really have a reason to fight tooth and nail for every inch against employers who are abusing their employees. And being part of government, as tangential as the role of public teachers is from the beauracracy, they are much better protected from capracious greed than most other professions.

 

[MovingTarget]

Ever carried a union card? I have Teamsters Local 743.

Original poster is correct:

Teachers Union winning means students losing...

Uno

People are trying to make this some sort of pissing contest about whether unions are good or bad, ignoring the grievances by the actual teachers and whatever deal is eventually reached. You cannot put students first by putting teachers last.

<--nonunion teacher

 

[MovingTarget]

Speaking of lazy and stupid, if the parents actually gave a shit about their kids they'd move to the suburbs or do whatever it takes to keep their kids out of Chicago public schools. Since they didn't, or are too poor to do so, then fuck 'em.

Sooooo.....fuck the poor?

D:

 

[glenn1]

Sooooo.....fuck the poor?

D:

Yes. Keep the stupid, poor, and their chosen elected officials (possible triple redundancy there) in the city where they belong. Personally I root for Ra's al Ghul in the Batman films and think he had the right idea.

 

[rudder]

Awww, look who doesn't understand unions. Then again, the only people who don't support them simply lack the ability to understand them.

A real brilliant statement coming from someone who cannot see the difference between a public sector union and a private sector union.

 

[Moonbeam]

Theres a reason you'd join a union and support them. Your too stupid to make it on your own.

But not so stupid I don't know how to spell 'you're', moron.

Just kidding. Many even bright people don't know how to spell, maybe because they are auditory rather than visual.