Fifth gear does diesel vs gasoline:)

[0roo0roo]

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[Strk]

Not bad, although diesel is still better (well, could be better would be more apt) for green driving though. I still like the idea of small engines with FI though. Hopefully GM still exists and is able to get the cash together to retool their plant in Ohio to make the turbo 1.4l.

Oh, and I haven't watched Fifth Gear in a long time. Is Vicki still on it?

 

[abaez]

If Vicki is the girl who's been on the past few seasons then yes.

 

[punjabiplaya]

Woah, somebody watches Fifth Gear?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Strk
Not bad, although diesel is still better (well, could be better would be more apt) for green driving though. I still like the idea of small engines with FI though. Hopefully GM still exists and is able to get the cash together to retool their plant in Ohio to make the turbo 1.4l.

Oh, and I haven't watched Fifth Gear in a long time. Is Vicki still on it?

well the thing is that diesel might take more oil to make?
http://www.grinningplanet.com/...s-gasoline-article.htm
i dunno, this site claims 20ish percent more.

as for vicki..she was preggers or something..now she plays a minor role. i fast forward through most fifth gear segments...mostly watch things like this clip or when they do something like crash something to see what happens

 

[Pliablemoose]

It's difficult to justify a diesel over a gasoline engine with the typical price disparity in the last few years.

 

[angry hampster]

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
It's difficult to justify a diesel over a gasoline engine with the typical price disparity in the last few years.

Why? It typically means a 50-75% boost in fuel economy over comparable gas engines.

 

[Strk]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Strk
Not bad, although diesel is still better (well, could be better would be more apt) for green driving though. I still like the idea of small engines with FI though. Hopefully GM still exists and is able to get the cash together to retool their plant in Ohio to make the turbo 1.4l.

Oh, and I haven't watched Fifth Gear in a long time. Is Vicki still on it?

well the thing is that diesel might take more oil to make?
http://www.grinningplanet.com/...s-gasoline-article.htm
i dunno, this site claims 20ish percent more.

as for vicki..she was preggers or something..now she plays a minor role. i fast forward through most fifth gear segments...mostly watch things like this clip or when they do something like crash something to see what happens

Yeah, diesel from oil is becoming less viable. It does produce less CO2, which is nice, and with ULS diesel, it runs as clean as the cleanest gas engines out there. But cost is hurting it quite a bit. A diesel runs a grand or two more for the car alone. The price disparity is also closing the mpg advantage, which they pointed out in the video.

But as I said, the green part makes it a nicer option than gas though, since gas' option isn't very good (ethanol). Biodiesel can be made from loads of things and the engines require no modifications to run it (they do if you plan on using waste oil from restaurants or wherever). It also has an extremely low cost (almost free if you use waste oil, but I won't even get into that).

Ethanol from corn is just crap. It has no emissions benefits and costs us even more than we realize ($10+ billion a year in subsidies). Cellulose-based ethanol is great, but it costs too much. Gas engines also require some minor modifications to run it.

Originally posted by: angry hampster

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
It's difficult to justify a diesel over a gasoline engine with the typical price disparity in the last few years.

Why? It typically means a 50-75% boost in fuel economy over comparable gas engines.

It's more like 30-40%

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: angry hampster

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
It's difficult to justify a diesel over a gasoline engine with the typical price disparity in the last few years.

Why? It typically means a 50-75% boost in fuel economy over comparable gas engines.

lolwat?

 

[HannibalX]

That show is so horrible.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: angry hampster

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
It's difficult to justify a diesel over a gasoline engine with the typical price disparity in the last few years.

Why? It typically means a 50-75% boost in fuel economy over comparable gas engines.

lolwat?

That's what I was going to say, lulz.

A lot of people get their fuel economy ideas skewed by the fact that tons of diesels are available in Europe, and when you look at the fuel economy numbers, they seem fantastic. Until you look at the fact that they're using IMPERIAL GALLONS, which are notably larger than what we call a gallon on these shores.

Add in the price disparity, and buying a diesel vehicle over here is often a more expensive proposition even if the fuel economy is slightly better with the diesel.

 

[Jahee]

Originally posted by: angry hampster

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
It's difficult to justify a diesel over a gasoline engine with the typical price disparity in the last few years.

Why? It typically means a 50-75% boost in fuel economy over comparable gas engines.

50-75? No.. More like 30-40... And thats from experience in driving the same car with both the petrol and diesel engine..

I was quite suprised by this test, but find it hard to believe.. I'm not sure if that was a well done and controlled test..

 

[rh71]

To use 1 vehicle I'm familiar with as an example, the diesel version gets about 22USmpg vs. about 18mpg for the gas version. The other benefit is the massive torque. You're paying $5k more for the diesel though, plus the ~$1/gal more for diesel at the pump right now.

 

[angry hampster]

Originally posted by: PingSpike

Originally posted by: angry hampster

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
It's difficult to justify a diesel over a gasoline engine with the typical price disparity in the last few years.

Why? It typically means a 50-75% boost in fuel economy over comparable gas engines.

lolwat?

Sorry, it was early. :laugh:. Yeah, 30-40% is a better estimate. Which frankly is about on par with the increase in fuel cost for diesel.

 

[rh71]

not all areas have increased diesel costs though... ie. Missouri (don't ask how I know).

 

[KentState]

Originally posted by: rh71
not all areas have increased diesel costs though... ie. Missouri (don't ask how I know).

It's a lot closer in Georgia right now. It was 2.12/gallon while gas was 1.89 at the same station.

 

[angry hampster]

Originally posted by: rh71
not all areas have increased diesel costs though... ie. Missouri (don't ask how I know).

? Around the Cape Girardeau area diesel is consistently 25-40 cents more than the cheapest gas.

 

[chucky2]

The only bread and butter car in the US that is a clean diesel is the Jetta TDI. To compare the EU Jetta TDI city and highway mpg's to the US Jetta TDI city and highway mpg's, first we must multiply by .83 to get rid of the Imperial to US gallon discrepency:

City: 39.8 x .83 = 33.034
Highway: 62.8 x .83 = 52.124

Now we're in US mpg. But, we're still under EU emissions testing and safety standards. Thankfully, we have the US Jetta TDI city and highway EPA numbers:

City: 29
Highway: 40

So basically, because of our higher emissions and safety standards in teh US, we take a 12.2% (29 / 33.034) hit on city mpg, and a 23.3% (40 / 52.124) hit on highway mpg.

What's really interesting is if you start taking other clean diesel EU rides, like say a Ford Focus 1.8 diesel, doing the .83 multiple, and then applying a 12.2% and 23.3% hit for US regs. You still get a vehicle that's getting outstanding fuel economy.

Too bad we didn't have more clean diesel options here in the US like in EU... 🙁

Chuck