Fibonacci sequence in Tool's Lateralus

[geno]

I've been listening to Tool for a while now, and am not particularly musically inclined, so this has flown over my head for a while. I know nothing of deciphering rhythms and so forth, but I found this pretty cool, even if it's a stretch at some times :

Youtube Video

Interesting watch / read if you have the 10 minutes.

I know this is nothing new, melding mathematical elements with musical structures, but it's cool if you've never realized this sequence is loosely embedded in the song. A buddy of mine whose a huge fan of Tool's showed me this and it's always fun to rediscover music you already like :thumbsup:

 

[Ns1]

The song was originally called 9,8,7

It is also the sickest song ever created. Ever. EVER.

 

[Platypus]

The entire album can be renumbered to follow the sequence (never bothered to confirm that, don't care) and it still plays together pretty well which is pretty nuts.

I have two different versions of it renumbered and actually prefer it that way.

 

[SP33Demon]

Some sick sht. Never knew that before. :beer::beer:

 

[CrazyLazy]

Wow that's really cool

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: Platypus
The entire album can be renumbered to follow the sequence (never bothered to confirm that, don't care) and it still plays together pretty well which is pretty nuts.

I have two different versions of it renumbered and actually prefer it that way.

After seeing this, I googled it and found out about "The Holy Gift", or the resequencing of the tracks to 'spiral' like a Fiboncci sequence. I'm listening to it all to feel it out and am on track 6, it's goddamn cool to breathe life into an otherwise familiar album.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Where it says to reorder the tracks into a Fibb sequence it shows the numbers
6, 7, 5, 8, 4, 9, 13, 1, 12, 2, 11, 3, 10

Am I stupid? How is that a Fibb sequence?

 

[CraKaJaX]

Damn, that's pretty sick. But jesus, how does someone come up with this stuff?

 

[ethebubbeth]

Reminds me of the solo section in "Fatal Tragedy" by Dream Theater. They decided to use a shrink and grow type algorithm for repetition of backing parts in order to make things more interesting.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Where it says to reorder the tracks into a Fibb sequence it shows the numbers
6, 7, 5, 8, 4, 9, 13, 1, 12, 2, 11, 3, 10

Am I stupid? How is that a Fibb sequence?

Just noticed if you pair the numbers they all add to 13 (excluding 13 of course).
6 + 7 = 13
5 + 8 = 13
etc

 

[gorcorps]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Where it says to reorder the tracks into a Fibb sequence it shows the numbers
6, 7, 5, 8, 4, 9, 13, 1, 12, 2, 11, 3, 10

Am I stupid? How is that a Fibb sequence?

It's not really a Fibb sequence, but sort of derived from drawing said spirals.

see:http://www.bofe.org/overthinking.htm

 

[darkswordsman17]

So is this more of Tool fans finding something that Tool did not do (and Tool even basically calling their fans tools for thinking they did)?

 

[Gothgar]

that is cool shit

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: Ns1
The song was originally called 9,8,7

It is also the sickest song ever created. Ever. EVER.

I don't think that guy understands what a fibonacci sequence is. He keeps showing numbers that have nothing to do with anything. Like how is 9 8 7 a fibonacci sequence???

 

[The Boston Dangler]

i've always thought tool were geniuses, like the police and pink floyd.

edit: i'll add they might be giants, just for fun

 

[Chriscross3234]

This was always something I knew and heard about the song, but I've never had it fully explained to me like it was in the video. Great, perhaps one of the greatest songs ever!!

 

[lyssword]

regardles of fibonacci sequence or not, this is one of the most epic songs ever made

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Yeah but Swamp Song is still better.

 

[schneiderguy]

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
So is this more of Tool fans finding something that Tool did not do (and Tool even basically calling their fans tools for thinking they did)?

yes

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

There's a Fibonacci-esque part at two places in The Grudge (the first immediately after the words "scarlett letterman") wherein Danny Carey plays a mutliplying pattern of kick drum hits within each beat.

Essentially each whole beat contains increasing numbers of kick drum hits following this pattern:


1, 1, 1-2, 1-2, 1-2-3, 1-2-3, 1-2-3-4, 1-2-3-4, 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8, 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8.

That, coupled with the fact that the rest of the song is in 5/8, with the exception of the "chorus-like" parts which are in 4/4, and one other part (left as an exercise to the reader ) makes The Grudge my favorite track on the album.

 

[lurkmoar]

Originally posted by: schneiderguy

Originally posted by: darkswordsman17
So is this more of Tool fans finding something that Tool did not do (and Tool even basically calling their fans tools for thinking they did)?

yes

agreed

 

[daveymark]

link to somethingawful article in 3...2....

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: Ns1
The song was originally called 9,8,7

It is also the sickest song ever created. Ever. EVER.

I don't think that guy understands what a fibonacci sequence is. He keeps showing numbers that have nothing to do with anything. Like how is 9 8 7 a fibonacci sequence???

Fib(16) = 987

1
1
2
3
5
8
13
21
34
55
89
144
233
377
610
987

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

Another little "easter egg" on the Lateralus CD is in the song "Ticks and Leeches."

In the middle of that song there is a prolonged break, where the guitar strums a quiet little chord progression and is slowly joined by the bass and drums, both in a quiet fashion before they stop and hesitate for an explosive hit into the finale of the song.

The pause before the first beat of that outro ends precisely at 5:55 on the CD, and the first beat of the outro lands on 5:56 -- certainly not a coincidence.

 

[Anubis]

heh i just reburned this in the holy gift order, gonna see how this in on my drive in to work tomorrow