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Fiat Chrysler recalls 1.1M cars, SUVs after 41 injuries

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ge-car-suv-recall-after-41-injuries/83398618/

Fiat Chrysler says it is recalling 1.1 million vehicles worldwide, including 811,586 midsize SUVs and full-size cars in the U.S., to try to alleviate confusion about when the vehicles' automatic transmission is in the "park" position, which has resulted in 41 injuries.

Drivers have been getting out of the vehicles without shifting into park while the engine is still running. The problem involves vehicles with electronic shift levers on their consoles that spring back to the same position after being shifted. Drivers can't tell by looking at the shifter's position whether it is in park. Instead, they have to depend on indicator lights, Fiat Chrysler says.
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My brother has a 2015 GC and I absolutely hate that shifter. Every time I drive it, I curse at it. 🙂
 
I didn't mind the shifter, are they seriously going to change the shifter just because people are too stupid to check if the "P" is illuminated? It's even displayed on the instrument cluster.
 
gorcorps said:
I didn't mind the shifter, are they seriously going to change the shifter just because people are too stupid to check if the "P" is illuminated? It's even displayed on the instrument cluster.
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YES!

you have to remember the average car owner is retarded.

basically you have to hold their hand while they do things.
 
Why not just reprogram the computers so the trans automatically shifts to park when you turn off the car? Wouldn't that be much easier/cheaper?
 
gorcorps said:
I didn't mind the shifter, are they seriously going to change the shifter just because people are too stupid to check if the "P" is illuminated? It's even displayed on the instrument cluster.
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Why make something more complicated than it has to be? I was creeping into the garage in our Mercedes the other day and opened the door to see if I had hit the marks I laid out on the garage floor and the transmission automatically shifted into park...I guess that's a good thing.
 
NutBucket said:
Why not just reprogram the computers so the trans automatically shifts to park when you turn off the car? Wouldn't that be much easier/cheaper?
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Drivers have been getting out of the vehicles without shifting into park while the engine is still running.
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People do get out of their cars with them still running sometimes. Isn't that even one of the supposed perks of the keyless cars, is that you can get out and it'll auto-lock once the fob gets out of range and you don't have to pull the key?
 
gorcorps said:
I do agree that it was an odd design, but it didn't take that long to get used to. I understand changing for the next year, but to recall for something like this is ridiculous
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Well, they have recalls even when no accidents or injuries are involved, so they pretty much have to have a recall in this case.
 
darkswordsman17 said:
People do get out of their cars with them still running sometimes. Isn't that even one of the supposed perks of the keyless cars, is that you can get out and it'll auto-lock once the fob gets out of range and you don't have to pull the key?
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What? First point, OK. Second bit, you still turn off the car first. What does one have to do with the other?

So just reprogram the computer to shift into park as soon as a door is opened. Why isn't that a reasonable solution?
 
NutBucket said:
What? First point, OK. Second bit, you still turn off the car first. What does one have to do with the other?

So just reprogram the computer to shift into park as soon as a door is opened. Why isn't that a reasonable solution?
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Because the entire point is you might want to leave the car running? Say its a particularly cold or hot day and you want to leave the HVAC on while you run into a store for a few minutes. Its my understanding that you can do that with the keyless ignition, and that the car will auto-lock the doors once the keyfob is out of range but could keep the car running.

That's an ok solution for most people I think. But I don't get the "WTF they're recalling cause people are idiots?!?!" responses. For one thing, of course they'll recall for that. But also, there seemed to be a definite issue as even aware drivers made note of the transmission being a bit finicky in that regard.
 
It is illegal in many states to leave a vehicle unattended and the fines are heftier than mere parking violations. It will take a good 10-15 minutes before you come back out that store unless business is really light.
 
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darkswordsman17 said:
Because the entire point is you might want to leave the car running? Say its a particularly cold or hot day and you want to leave the HVAC on while you run into a store for a few minutes. Its my understanding that you can do that with the keyless ignition, and that the car will auto-lock the doors once the keyfob is out of range but could keep the car running.

That's an ok solution for most people I think. But I don't get the "WTF they're recalling cause people are idiots?!?!" responses. For one thing, of course they'll recall for that. But also, there seemed to be a definite issue as even aware drivers made note of the transmission being a bit finicky in that regard.
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Just shut it off and get out and lock up as normal. Then remote start it, either right away, or a few minutes before you come out of the store if you are going to be awhile.

With remote start and auto climate control, there's no need to leave the car running. Unless you left grandma or the dog in the car...
 
darkswordsman17 said:
Because the entire point is you might want to leave the car running? Say its a particularly cold or hot day and you want to leave the HVAC on while you run into a store for a few minutes. Its my understanding that you can do that with the keyless ignition, and that the car will auto-lock the doors once the keyfob is out of range but could keep the car running.

That's an ok solution for most people I think. But I don't get the "WTF they're recalling cause people are idiots?!?!" responses. For one thing, of course they'll recall for that. But also, there seemed to be a definite issue as even aware drivers made note of the transmission being a bit finicky in that regard.
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Again, BMW and MB use similar types of shifters and there's no recalls in the works for them. Acura uses push buttons and Jaguar has the rotary shifter. Hell, some Mercs have a tiny stalk on the column to control the trans.

I said nothing about the car turning off automatically, only shifting to park when the door is opened.
 
NutBucket said:
Jules stated his Benz does that. How often is there a legitimate need to open the door of a moving car?
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I legitimately do it every day when parking my car at home. Have tape lines laid down in the garage. I also see it happen quite often when mechanics are putting a car on a rack to check that they are lined up properly.
 
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