Fetterman/Oz Debate Tonight

[ElFenix]

Yep. SFPD essentially stopped doing traffic enforcement too. They also majorly reduced enforcement of all sorts of other crimes until an elected DA they didn’t like was recalled.

cops: the original quiet quitters

 

[pcgeek11]

I’m absolutely sure should the GOP lead the HoR and Senate they will absolutely crush the “invasion” at the border. In fact they‘ll miraculously fix it before even taking office on in January. @pcgeek11 will be able to justify his vote by pointing out how fast the problem went away after the election…..

I do hope that If they get it back the Remain in Mexico Policy is reinstated. That being said the rest of your post is Asinine.

 

[Bitek]

Conservatives are unthinking easily scared sheep.

Well, personally I don't want to broad brush, and no side is immune to disinfo or emotional thinking....

.... and I can accept it if the arguments made were from a thoughtful, principled and factual point of view. Values and priorities aren't shared by all.

But just being uniformed, delusional and emotional is too much.

That's the maga world, it's a point of pride even. It's poison.

There are a few principled conservatives left, I think. Maybe not after the midterms. Having them is important for a functional democracy and good decision making.

 

[outriding]

Well no shit. 🙄

Republicans place particular importance on border security and deportations of immigrants who are in the country illegally.

While Democrats place greater importance on paths to legal status for those who entered the country illegally – especially those who entered as children, according to a new Pew Research Center survey.

Off the top of my head both Trump and Nunes family farm hire illegals to work for their businesses.

so first of all they don’t give a rats ass about illegals they make money from them

2… I never saw a post from you complaining about them

 

[Paratus]

I do hope that If they get it back the Remain in Mexico Policy is reinstated. That being said the rest of your post is Asinine.

Remember how the "caravans" of immigrants were this awful tragedy awaiting to befall our unprotected country and suddenly disappeared after the election?

I understand that immigration is a major concern for you, I just don't consider people who want to come here to work to be something to be feared or something that our country can't handle. Your posts about the southern boarder invasion remind me of the townspeople in Blazing Saddles.

 

[hal2kilo]

More troll filled bandwidth wasted.

 

[ch33zw1z]

More troll filled bandwidth wasted.

yep, that’s basically all it is now

 

[pcgeek11]

Off the top of my head both Trump and Nunes family farm hire illegals to work for their businesses.

so first of all they don’t give a rats ass about illegals they make money from them

2… I never saw a post from you complaining about them

Well it isn't my fault that you haven't seen my post saying that Any Business that hires illegal aliens should be held accountable by heavy fines and progressing up to prison time.

 

[pcgeek11]

yep, that’s basically all it is now

Then quit posting.

 

[ch33zw1z]

Then quit posting.

im sorry you’re so partisan minded that you can’t see it. Keep on lying to yourself tho, no real skin off my back.

and no, not literal skin, I know you struggle with these things too.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

They are catching lots due to them turning themselves in. Then they are released into the US. This equals an open border. This along with all the ones that get away.

Hot take: we shouldn't be policing the border any more than we currently are. Better we let the trickle continue now, lest we face a bigger wave when climate change and deforestation makes parts of central/south america unlivable and the real migrations start.

 

[Bitek]

Yep. SFPD essentially stopped doing traffic enforcement too. They also majorly reduced enforcement of all sorts of other crimes until an elected DA they didn’t like was recalled.

Hmm then I wonder why driving on the highways all you get is weed smells and everyone driving slow as hell.

Then again, maybe the second observation is answered by the first

 

[outriding]

Well it isn't my fault that you haven't seen my post saying that Any Business that hires illegal aliens should be held accountable by heavy fines and progressing up to prison time.

I did see that

but you are saying the ‘pubs are looking out to stop illegals. But from my 2 examples they are not doing that. Instead they are encouraging illegals to come the USA.

so why are you supporting a political party that is doing exactly the opposite you support

 

[kage69]

I just love how people who can't even respect the capital, the capital police, or democracy in general think their shitfit over the border means something. And they somehow take pride in belonging to the party of domestic terrorism, quite baffling.

That 2% gets condemned by the left, while the 74% gets praise, talked about like rockstars on the right, or dismissed outright as irrelevant. Sick shit.

 

[pcgeek11]

I did see that

but you are saying the ‘pubs are looking out to stop illegals. But from my 2 examples they are not doing that. Instead they are encouraging illegals to come the USA.

so why are you supporting a political party that is doing exactly the opposite you support

Well for one thing the democrats and current administration are also encouraging illegals to come to the USA.

 

[pcgeek11]

To be fair their plan to raise taxes on the poor and middle class while cutting social security and Medicare would reduce inflation.

Then again their plans to cut taxes on the rich and force the government to again overpay for prescription drugs would increase it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/false-claim-that-senate-republicans-plan-end-social-security-medicare/

The Washington Post handed down four "Pinocchios" to Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., for her claim warning of the "end" Social Security and Medicare if Republicans take control of Congress.

Murray, who is fighting in a tightening reelection battle against GOP challenger Tiffany Smiley, tweeted on Sunday, "Republicans plan to end Social Security and Medicare if they take back the Senate."

Glenn Kessler, the Post's fact-checker, characterized Murray's tweet as a "'Mediscare' attack" to win over senior voters.

 

[outriding]

Well for one thing the democrats and current administration are also encouraging illegals to come to the USA.

Name the EO or new law that the dems or the current admin has passed to do that.

My Google fu only comes with crackpot websites and hard right that say that. Websites like Reuters or politico don’t have any data on that.

I am asking for that because there are too many times never provide any data. You are all ma feels told me and that is all I need.

 

[JWade]

For someone calling other people snowflakes you're doing a lot of complaining about how picked on you are. People personally attack me on here pretty frequently - I don't care because I'm an adult whose sense of self worth is not based on what internet dorks think of him.

find where i once even used the word snowflake. people here in general attack anyone who disagrees with what they say. If anyone posts something that the far left disagrees with here, they do get called names and personal attacks directed at them. i was pointing out how you and so many others do that, and you and all the others do exactly what i pointed out, and yet i am the one who is blind and ignores history? I do know history quite well, both sides, and i dont ignore either side of it, unlike so many here do. You all would be so much more convincing and less like the MAGA crowd if you could discuss/argue/get your point across with out violent rhetoric, that you so denounce and preach that the right does, you all in turn do the same, talk the same, and yet defend it. YOU are blind to what you have become. If people here could discuss,talk have a conversation without the name calling, without the personal attacks, you would be taken alot more serious and may actually change some of the minds that are in the middle to your "side". But what do i know? I am not the one name calling, close minded so much that i have to resort to that because thats all i know.

 

[JWade]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/false-claim-that-senate-republicans-plan-end-social-security-medicare/
The Washington Post handed down four "Pinocchios" to Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., for her claim warning of the "end" Social Security and Medicare if Republicans take control of Congress.

Murray, who is fighting in a tightening reelection battle against GOP challenger Tiffany Smiley, tweeted on Sunday, "Republicans plan to end Social Security and Medicare if they take back the Senate."

Glenn Kessler, the Post's fact-checker, characterized Murray's tweet as a "'Mediscare' attack" to win over senior voters.

the WP is owned by Bezos, come on, Bezos is a right wing nut that only cares about making billions, and supports only those that will help him make more than Musk!

 

[pcgeek11]

Name the EO or new law that the dems or the current admin has passed to do that.

My Google fu only comes with crackpot websites and hard right that say that. Websites like Reuters or politico don’t have any data on that.

I am asking for that because there are too many times never provide any data. You are all ma feels told me and that is all I need.

Catch and release for illegals coming across the border is real. Your denial doesn't help.

 

[JWade]

what i would like to see is a bill that has only what they actually say is in it, and not things that have no relation to what the bill is about in it. no hidden pet projects, no hidden agendas. I do go to Congress's website and look at the bills that are voted on, see who votes for and against them, i then research and find out the why behind the votes, read the actual bills. Want money to go to the school lunch program, then why put in that bill millions to go to a butterfly habitat in washington state? that has nothing to do with school lunch programs, but people will vote against the bill for that reason then get called out for being against feeding kids. both sides do it to make the other look bad because they know members in the other party will vote know. yeah yeah, bothsideism. but its true they all do it

 

[kage69]

Let's distill this a bit, for the sake of simplicity.

Can either of you two give me an example of the Dems restricting voting access?

How about an example of the Dems trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power? Or even which Dems believe Trump's lie about the 2020 election?

Are there any instances of left leaning people or groups trying to interfere with voting in any way, as we're seeing with the maga types? By that I mean voter intimidation, harassment, confrontation, or all out violence against candidates and their families. Which areas have liberals overthrowing election boards with harassment and death threats?




I just want to make sure I understand this BothSides stuff as well as you seem to. I'm sure I've missed something.

 

[Sunburn74]

The dems tried to fix the exact problem you are talking about. Republicans refused to bring it to a vote out of fear it would pass.

Didn't the GOP kill the dreamers legislation and repeatedly held that legislation and the people it involved as hostage for other things they wanted to pass? I mean come on dude, open your eyes or get better news sources.

 

[Sunburn74]

Hot take: we shouldn't be policing the border any more than we currently are. Better we let the trickle continue now, lest we face a bigger wave when climate change and deforestation makes parts of central/south america unlivable and the real migrations start.

We have way bigger problems. Illegal immigration is a bogeyman. It's the wizard of oz. You think it's this horrible thing that if fixed america will be so much better when in reality it has near zero affect on things. Honestly the biggest impact immigration has on America is it makes racists angry. The rest of realize there are way way bigger things to work on.

 

[ch33zw1z]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/false-claim-that-senate-republicans-plan-end-social-security-medicare/

The Washington Post handed down four "Pinocchios" to Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., for her claim warning of the "end" Social Security and Medicare if Republicans take control of Congress.

Murray, who is fighting in a tightening reelection battle against GOP challenger Tiffany Smiley, tweeted on Sunday, "Republicans plan to end Social Security and Medicare if they take back the Senate."

Glenn Kessler, the Post's fact-checker, characterized Murray's tweet as a "'Mediscare' attack" to win over senior voters.

If this upsets you, wait til you hear about this Trump guy