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Fetterman/Oz Debate Tonight

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vi edit said:
There isn't a winnable stance on the supreme court other than "Vote for me and we can sign things into law to secure basic human rights. Voting for me also gives you a voice in votes for or against supreme court justices. A vote for me is a vote for the power to appoint.". That's the Republican messaging. Use that.
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Yup. As you and others have pointed out here, there were ample opportunities for Fetterman to make pointed, valid statements.

It seems to me that he didn't have anyone properly prep him for the debate. "Processing" problems aside, someone should have drilled into him such pre-programmed responses. Huge opportunities missed here.

Other than that, Fetterman should simply have refused to debate. Why do we "liberals" lack the rock solid confidence of right wing candidates, who never feel the need to apologize or explain ANYTHING?
 
Pens1566 said:
The lasting point will be that Oz said abortion should be between the woman, her Dr. and her local political leaders.
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Not sure this is the dunk on Oz you think it is... it's basically consistent with a lot of the GOP, aka "send it back to the states."

He came short of supporting a nationwide ban, so he avoided the extreme (although I guess gaining more traction) position.
 
gothuevos said:
Not sure this is the dunk on Oz you think it is... it's basically consistent with a lot of the GOP, aka "send it back to the states."

He came short of supporting a nationwide ban, so he avoided the extreme (although I guess gaining more traction) position.
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Eh, it's dominating the post-debate conversation. It's a huge problem for Oz in that something north of ~65% is pro-choice. He's getting roasted (rightfully) over it.
 
gothuevos said:
Not sure this is the dunk on Oz you think it is... it's basically consistent with a lot of the GOP, aka "send it back to the states."
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Consistent with national messaging but unpopular in the state he's running in is the problem with that statement. The "you get to decide but maybe some politicians who you may not have voted for could decide for you instead" part. His attempt to defuse the issue did not really work IMO.
 
Perknose said:
Yup. As you and others have pointed out here, there were ample opportunities for Fetterman to make pointed, valid statements.

It seems to me that he didn't have anyone properly prep him for the debate. "Processing" problems aside, someone should have drilled into him such pre-programmed responses. Huge opportunities missed here.

Other than that, Fetterman should simply have refused to debate. Why do we "liberals" lack the rock solid confidence of right wing candidates, who never feel the need to apologize or explain ANYTHING?
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maybe face facts, he did have people drill into him pr-programmed responses. he did have people properly prep him. this was a huge debate, one of the most important ones for the midterms, to think he didnt have anyone prep him, drill him, just shows how blind people follow others. How they will make excuses. There is zero doubt he had people prepping him and drilling him. maybe, just maybe take it as how he would be if elected.
 
JWade said:
maybe face facts, he did have people drill into him pr-programmed responses. he did have people properly prep him. this was a huge debate, one of the most important ones for the midterms, to think he didnt have anyone prep him, drill him, just shows how blind people follow others. How they will make excuses. There is zero doubt he had people prepping him and drilling him. maybe, just maybe take it as how he would be if elected.
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I looked at some clips from past debates. Fetterman is mostly not good in the format and the captioning he needs right now isn't going to afford a lot of chances for polished witty comebacks, which really isn't his style to begin with. I don't doubt at all that he was prepped but you could have experts prep me heavily for improv comedy and it would still likely go poorly. Prepping can't turn somebody into an entirely different person. Just like prepping couldn't make Oz into less of a rich condescending asshole.
 
pcgeek11 said:
I wonder where those donations came from.
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Wouldn't it be fucking awesome if there was full accounting of all donations? Not allowing foreign countries to contribute, or labor unions, or giant corporations? Or perhaps just get money out of politics entirely?

Nah.

Hmmm. I wonder which political party cemented that shit with Citizens United. Any guesses?


On Topic: It's a shame things went down like that. They should have not let him debate at all. Only the shitstains would have questioned a guy who just had a stroke deciding not to debate even if that wasn't the cause of the disaster. I can still hope he gets the job. Oz is an imbecile con-man.
 
pcgeek11 said:
I wonder where those donations came from.
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The people of Pennsylvania, that's where it came from.

"Driven largely by small donations averaging just $33 each, Pennsylvania Lt. Gov. John Fetterman's most recent fundraising haul blew past previous records for the state, his campaign said Thursday, reaching $22 million for the third quarter of 2022."

"Among donors who have given $200 or more, Fetterman has received about $2 for every dollar raised by Oz. But Fetterman’s dominance is even stronger among smaller dollar donors, who have contributed $3 for every dollar donated to Oz by Oz since the primary. In all, Fetterman has received support from seven times as many individual donors as Oz has."
 
I think Oz's abortion answer is worse than Fetterman's poor debate performance. The Fracking answer was extremely tough to watch. he could have said something to the effect of "i was against it before but now i support it with strict environmental regulations/oversight due to the war on ukraine" or some bullshit like that. I've followed Fetterman since 2016 and he already has my vote. Great guy and great candidate.
 
Perknose said:
Other than that, Fetterman should simply have refused to debate. Why do we "liberals" lack the rock solid confidence of right wing candidates, who never feel the need to apologize or explain ANYTHING?
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The Republican Party appeals to the worst of our emotions, the ones we most need to deny that we have. Thus they are tho most afraid to lose control. The Republican Party thus appeals to those among us who fear.

Brain scans of self identified conservatives reveal larger right amygdala ans smaller cingulate development in comparison to self reported liberals. The former is involved with the activation of fear and the latter in suppressing the fear response when reasoning.

Fear is an unpleasant feeling (actually the repression of feeling) and to avoid that experience conservatives will engage in rationalizing away factual information that challenges their self protective ego beliefs more so than liberals will do.

The result is greater rigidity and certainty of belief. You could say that certainty is the Republican disease. It is what they manifest and dream they possess, the reality being they actually are the most insecure and phony.

Humanity is asleep living upside down in the world, convinced that if it had more control over and confidence in its mental illness it would be OK. Not a good way to go in my opinion.
 
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