Fertility drugs are bad, mmmnkay?

[Fausto]

Missouri woman gives birth to sextuplets.

The best part? They already had two kids.

The other best part? She doesn't work and he's an assembler at a Ford plant. Those kids are gon' be po'.

*sigh*

 

[vi edit]

At what point does it become a litter?

 

[Wallydraigle]

Originally posted by: Fausto
Missouri woman gives birth to sextuplets.

The best part? They already had two kids.

The other best part? She doesn't work and he's an assembler at a Ford plant. Those kids are gon' be po'.

*sigh*

Well, at least they have each other

 

[StageLeft]

Sweet! Another big ass family that can barely keep a roof over its own head!

 

[Heisenberg]

I'm so glad to know my taxes are going to pay for those kids.

 

[Vette73]

If you already have 2 kids why are you taking Fertility drugs???


And this again proves my point, the dumber you are the more liely you are to get pregnant.

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: Fausto
Missouri woman gives birth to sextuplets.

The best part? They already had two kids.

The other best part? She doesn't work and he's an assembler at a Ford plant. Those kids are gon' be po'.

*sigh*

They can get lots of welfare with 8 kids.

 

[Optimus]

While the misuse of these fertility drugs is a growing problem, it could well be that these kids, while growing up without a lot of material things, could still grow up in a loving household and become good adults someday.

Sooooo, hows about we give them a chance, wish them luck, and leave them in peace?

Then we can focus on reducing the misuse of the actual fertility drugs so that if parents want 8 kids they can have them the good old fashioned way.

(<- one of 8 kids. Mom stayed at home with us. We didn't grow up rich, but we were and are happy.)

 

[Feldenak]

I went to HS with the father of these sextuplets.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Optimus
While the misuse of these fertility drugs is a growing problem, it could well be that these kids, while growing up without a lot of material things, could still grow up in a loving household and become good adults someday.

Sooooo, hows about we give them a chance, wish them luck, and leave them in peace?

Then we can focus on reducing the misuse of the actual fertility drugs so that if parents want 8 kids they can have them the good old fashioned way.

(<- one of 8 kids. Mom stayed at home with us. We didn't grow up rich, but we were and are happy.)

I guess my real beef here is that having so many kids is just irresponsible from a global standpoint. The world is not going to be a happy place in 50-100 years if we keep the population growing at an exponential rate.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Optimus
While the misuse of these fertility drugs is a growing problem, it could well be that these kids, while growing up without a lot of material things, could still grow up in a loving household and become good adults someday.

Sooooo, hows about we give them a chance, wish them luck, and leave them in peace?

Then we can focus on reducing the misuse of the actual fertility drugs so that if parents want 8 kids they can have them the good old fashioned way.

(<- one of 8 kids. Mom stayed at home with us. We didn't grow up rich, but we were and are happy.)

I guess my real beef here is that having so many kids is just irresponsible from a global standpoint. The world is not going to be a happy place in 50-100 years if we keep the population growing at an exponential rate.

Y'aint gone take my right to have babies from me! I wants a family of 10. Ma momma had 12 children and let me tell you, mister, each an evey one them a God-fearing republican, just likes God intended, yesir!

 

[Optimus]

The percentage of people who WANT and will have over 3-4 kids is very low. For every one of these families that have 8 there will be dozens who have 1 or none.

Overall population growth may be a concern, but so would forced limits on having children (aka China).

I too am concerned with parents that have 6 at once like this because of misuse of fertility drugs, but overall I'm more concerned with letting people live legal, basically moral lives (as relates to others) on thier own.

i.e. I'm more concerned with these people being judged as "unfit" and "Welfare leeches" when not one of us knows them or what they are going to do.

If they do become leeches, then we could/should make some noise. But to judge them simply because of a number of children just seems highly unfair.

 

[Fausto]

So, we just wait for the train to wreck and then go from there? In all seriousness, there is no easy answer here, but the population of the world needs to be addressed at some point in the near future. IIRC, the big issue (that everyone's ignoring) is that of fresh water more than anything else.

 

[MomAndSkoorbaby]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Optimus
While the misuse of these fertility drugs is a growing problem, it could well be that these kids, while growing up without a lot of material things, could still grow up in a loving household and become good adults someday.

Sooooo, hows about we give them a chance, wish them luck, and leave them in peace?

Then we can focus on reducing the misuse of the actual fertility drugs so that if parents want 8 kids they can have them the good old fashioned way.

(<- one of 8 kids. Mom stayed at home with us. We didn't grow up rich, but we were and are happy.)

I guess my real beef here is that having so many kids is just irresponsible from a global standpoint. The world is not going to be a happy place in 50-100 years if we keep the population growing at an exponential rate.

Y'aint gone take my right to have babies from me! I wants a family of 10. Ma momma had 12 children and let me tell you, mister, each an evey one them a God-fearing republican, just likes God intended, yesir!

I feel bad for those without children and wanting them so badly. Many of these couples that I know would be awesome parents and have the means to provide wonderfully for them. They just want one and cannot even have that...I guess soon they may reach a point where adoption may be the end result. Either way, I just hope they are blessed with children one way or another....(my friends that is!)

 

[Ime]

Originally posted by: Fausto
So, we just wait for the train to wreck and then go from there? In all seriousness, there is no easy answer here, but the population of the world needs to be addressed at some point in the near future. IIRC, the big issue (that everyone's ignoring) is that of fresh water more than anything else.

If you are so worried about over-population, don't have any kids.

 

[MomAndSkoorbaby]

There is nothing wrong with having large families so long as all the children are cared for and loved.

It is when we are talking about families that cannot care for the children that they have, yet continue to have more and more children only to be taken away to aid in the every growing child poverty and homelessness. That is, IMO, just plain stupid. In regards to fertility drugs, personally, I don't really think they should ever be recommended to couples already having multiple children. Too many risks associated with them....

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Ime

Originally posted by: Fausto
So, we just wait for the train to wreck and then go from there? In all seriousness, there is no easy answer here, but the population of the world needs to be addressed at some point in the near future. IIRC, the big issue (that everyone's ignoring) is that of fresh water more than anything else.

If you are so worried about over-population, don't have any kids.

Um....if every couple has two kids, the overall population doesn't grow. If no one has kids, we cease to exist as a species and the roaches take over.


Think.

Then post.

Think.

Then post.

 

[Optimus]

Fausto,

No I don't think we should wait for a trainwreck, but nor do I think government-forced limits on having children are quite necessarily the answer.

With the environment, I'm more concerned with the fact that a family of 8 in Europe, S. America, Latin America, Africa, Australia etc uses less resources and energy per year than the average N. American family of 3 does.

i.e. I think we'd find that environmental problems are dominated by industrial waste and pollution, overuse and lack of reasonable conservation, etc. The relatively small number of families that choose to have 8 kids... well, blaming them and using police-force to stop them just seems like a farce (and highly restrictive to individual freedoms).

 

[vi edit]

If adopting was more economically feasible to many couples, and there weren't these idiotic lawsuits of mothers that gave up a child for adoption suing for custody 17 years later, a lot of these problems would be solved.

It's what, over $20,000 in legal fees to adopt a child? At least if you go through pregnancy, there's still insurance to pick up a lot of those costs. Insurance doesn't cover adoption legal fees.

 

[Optimus]

Originally posted by: MrsSkoorb
There is nothing wrong with having large families so long as all the children are cared for and loved.

It is when we are talking about families that cannot care for the children that they have, yet continue to have more and more children only to be taken away to aid in the every growing child poverty and homelessness. That is, IMO, just plain stupid. In regards to fertility drugs, personally, I don't really think they should ever be recommended to couples already having multiple children. Too many risks associated with them....

Agreed absolutely, Mrs Skoorb - well said!

...
My objection in this thread is that yes, the family in the article could indeed turn into unloving welfare leeches. But we don't know that... no one here does. They could also turn out to be a wonderfully loving family who produce some great kids.

My point is that we can't reasonably judge them based soley on a) an inappropriate use of fertility drugs (which may have been them blindly trusting a doctor) and b) he has an unglamourous job (although some unionized assembly line workers make more than a lot of us here!).

The mom not working may actually be, in this case, a positive sign as few jobs would pay enough for childcare for 8.

 

[DannyBoy]

Originally posted by: MrsSkoorb

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Optimus
While the misuse of these fertility drugs is a growing problem, it could well be that these kids, while growing up without a lot of material things, could still grow up in a loving household and become good adults someday.

Sooooo, hows about we give them a chance, wish them luck, and leave them in peace?

Then we can focus on reducing the misuse of the actual fertility drugs so that if parents want 8 kids they can have them the good old fashioned way.

(<- one of 8 kids. Mom stayed at home with us. We didn't grow up rich, but we were and are happy.)

I guess my real beef here is that having so many kids is just irresponsible from a global standpoint. The world is not going to be a happy place in 50-100 years if we keep the population growing at an exponential rate.

Y'aint gone take my right to have babies from me! I wants a family of 10. Ma momma had 12 children and let me tell you, mister, each an evey one them a God-fearing republican, just likes God intended, yesir!

I feel bad for those without children and wanting them so badly. Many of these couples that I know would be awesome parents and have the means to provide wonderfully for them. They just want one and cannot even have that...I guess soon they may reach a point where adoption may be the end result. Either way, I just hope they are blessed with children one way or another....(my friends that is!)

*whip sound*

Skoorby's whipped aye

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Optimus
Fausto,

No I don't think we should wait for a trainwreck, but nor do I think government-forced limits on having children are quite necessarily the answer.

Agreed. I was being semi-facetious.

With the environment, I'm more concerned with the fact that a family of 8 in Europe, S. America, Latin America, Africa, Australia etc uses less resources and energy per year than the average N. American family of 3 does.

This is a good point, but (unfortunately) getting people (particularly Americans) to "live small" is all but impossible since they just start ranting about "their rights!!" as soon as you mention conservation.

i.e. I think we'd find that environmental problems are dominated by industrial waste and pollution, overuse and lack of reasonable conservation, etc. The relatively small number of families that choose to have 8 kids... well, blaming them and using police-force to stop them just seems like a farce (and highly restrictive to individual freedoms).

Again, we're essentially at an impasse in this respect. You can't tell people not to have kids and you can't get industry to do anything while money and politics are so intertwined.

 

[MomAndSkoorbaby]

Originally posted by: DannyBoy

Originally posted by: MrsSkoorb

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Fausto

Originally posted by: Optimus
While the misuse of these fertility drugs is a growing problem, it could well be that these kids, while growing up without a lot of material things, could still grow up in a loving household and become good adults someday.

Sooooo, hows about we give them a chance, wish them luck, and leave them in peace?

Then we can focus on reducing the misuse of the actual fertility drugs so that if parents want 8 kids they can have them the good old fashioned way.

(<- one of 8 kids. Mom stayed at home with us. We didn't grow up rich, but we were and are happy.)

I guess my real beef here is that having so many kids is just irresponsible from a global standpoint. The world is not going to be a happy place in 50-100 years if we keep the population growing at an exponential rate.

Y'aint gone take my right to have babies from me! I wants a family of 10. Ma momma had 12 children and let me tell you, mister, each an evey one them a God-fearing republican, just likes God intended, yesir!

I feel bad for those without children and wanting them so badly. Many of these couples that I know would be awesome parents and have the means to provide wonderfully for them. They just want one and cannot even have that...I guess soon they may reach a point where adoption may be the end result. Either way, I just hope they are blessed with children one way or another....(my friends that is!)

*whip sound*

Skoorby's whipped aye

How the heck did I just whip Skoorb? Hmmmm? I am willing to bet that he agrees with me on this! We tend to agree on many things....

Apparently overseas adoptions are easier and less expensive for those couples waiting for years in the US to adopt...

 

[Nanotech]

Originally posted by: Heisenberg
I'm so glad to know my taxes are going to pay for those kids.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: vi_edit
If adopting was more economically feasible to many couples, and there weren't these idiotic lawsuits of mothers that gave up a child for adoption suing for custody 17 years later, a lot of these problems would be solved.

It's what, over $20,000 in legal fees to adopt a child? At least if you go through pregnancy, there's still insurance to pick up a lot of those costs. Insurance doesn't cover adoption legal fees.

That's about right. I about fell over when some friends of ours (who are in the final stages of adoption) informed me about the cost. That plus the myriad hoops you have to jump through to even consider and it's no wonder adoption is relatively rare.