Fermilab discovers new particle

[silverpig]

Neat-o

So it seems quarks can combine into other things besides baryons and mesons now. This kind of throws a wrench into the works. It may be the case that LHC discovers an entirely new family of particles.

 

[xanis]

Corks can combine with whats and whoseyamacallits now? NO WAY!

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Very interesting indeed. It will be intersting to see if this is a game-changer in the standard model. It seems odd that something like this would not have been predicted, as the standard model is pretty damn tight and doesn't allow for a lot of as-yet unpredicted interactions, assuming what we think we know about the Higgs is true.

 

[Chaotic42]

All degrees in Particle Physics have been recalled. All re-freshmen please visit the bursar's office to arrange payment for a new degree.

 

[Greenman]

Wow, the harder you hit something, the more pieces it breaks into, whoda thunk?

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: Greenman
Wow, the harder you hit something, the more pieces it breaks into, whoda thunk?

It's a little different than that. It's the pieces joining together to become something that shouldn't exist with the physics we know now.

 

[Praxis1452]

Originally posted by: Greenman
Wow, the harder you hit something, the more pieces it breaks into, whoda thunk?

I mean you can walk across the earth, the earth must be flat, because if it's round then things fall off. Whoda thunk it?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There's something I think at least as significant I can't link to with my dumb iPod. In your link there is a piece about why matter was more abundant than antimatter. A massive particle and it's antiparticle have a somewhat different decay scheme from each other, which goes against the Standard Model. Anyone familiar with should know that's unheard of.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
There's something I think at least as significant I can't link to with my dumb iPod. In your link there is a piece about why matter was more abundant than antimatter. A massive particle and it's antiparticle have a somewhat different decay scheme from each other, which goes against the Standard Model. Anyone familiar with should know that's unheard of.

I'm only an interested amateur in the field of particle physics, but it's not unheard of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryogenesis

 

[Greenman]

Originally posted by: Praxis1452

Originally posted by: Greenman
Wow, the harder you hit something, the more pieces it breaks into, whoda thunk?

I mean you can walk across the earth, the earth must be flat, because if it's round then things fall off. Whoda thunk it?

You got that backwards. If the earth was flat you'd fall off the edge.
Try to keep up.

 

[miketheidiot]

damnit i stopped paying attention to physics a couple years ago, now i know next to nothing.

outstanding.

 

[Ruptga]

😕

Physics makes my brain cry.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Very interesting indeed. It will be intersting to see if this is a game-changer in the standard model. It seems odd that something like this would not have been predicted, as the standard model is pretty damn tight and doesn't allow for a lot of as-yet unpredicted interactions, assuming what we think we know about the Higgs is true.

Indeed. I've got the feeling that the current standard model will see a revolution of sorts during my lifetime. It is one thing to verify something predicted by the current model, but to observe something that is not predicted is even more valuable. I look foreward to seeing how the particle physics community makes heads or tails of this...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
There's something I think at least as significant I can't link to with my dumb iPod. In your link there is a piece about why matter was more abundant than antimatter. A massive particle and it's antiparticle have a somewhat different decay scheme from each other, which goes against the Standard Model. Anyone familiar with should know that's unheard of.

I'm only an interested amateur in the field of particle physics, but it's not unheard of.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baryogenesis

When you are posting late on an ipod it isn't always conducive to clear communication 😛

The article states that there is roughly a trillion times more matter than the Standard Model accounts for. That's a huge discrepancy, and if I'm understanding correctly (and the article is short, so I might be missing something), this isn't due to parity violations (or perhaps better it's something that's of a magnitude greater than expected).

I'll have to do more research and get back to you, cause I think it's interestin' 😀

 

[artikk]

hmm it won't come as surprise to me if eventually they find particles that comprise the quarks themselves.

 

[Modular]

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: Greenman
Wow, the harder you hit something, the more pieces it breaks into, whoda thunk?

It's a little different than that. It's the pieces joining together to become something that shouldn't exist with the physics we know now.

So basically all that we know concerning this area, or physics in general can be called into question (on a theoretical level at least).


Just another example of how ignorant we as a species can be. Maybe this example demonstrates it on a micro level, but this is exactly why I think most of our "science" now is going to be dispelled and laughed at 100 years from now, and all the people who tout science as truth should really take the stick outta their rears. It makes them walk funny.

 

[SagaLore]

might be another example of an exotic hadron containing charm quarks.

Awesomeness. Eventually they're going to find the right combination of collisions to produce a completely new form of stable matter... imagine the odd uses... maybe some kind of perfect room temperature superconductor, or antigravity, something that will enable hyperspace drives, etc.

 

[Brainonska511]

Originally posted by: Modular

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: Greenman
Wow, the harder you hit something, the more pieces it breaks into, whoda thunk?

It's a little different than that. It's the pieces joining together to become something that shouldn't exist with the physics we know now.

So basically all that we know concerning this area, or physics in general can be called into question (on a theoretical level at least).


Just another example of how ignorant we as a species can be. Maybe this example demonstrates it on a micro level, but this is exactly why I think most of our "science" now is going to be dispelled and laughed at 100 years from now, and all the people who tout science as truth should really take the stick outta their rears. It makes them walk funny.

:roll:

 

[Fritzo]

Originally posted by: SagaLore

might be another example of an exotic hadron containing charm quarks.

Awesomeness. Eventually they're going to find the right combination of collisions to produce a completely new form of stable matter... imagine the odd uses... maybe some kind of perfect room temperature superconductor, or antigravity, something that will enable hyperspace drives, etc.

If I said I liked exotic hardons, would that mean I'm gay?

 

[CKent]

This is what you get for not posting this in HT.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Modular

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: Greenman
Wow, the harder you hit something, the more pieces it breaks into, whoda thunk?

It's a little different than that. It's the pieces joining together to become something that shouldn't exist with the physics we know now.

So basically all that we know concerning this area, or physics in general can be called into question (on a theoretical level at least).


Just another example of how ignorant we as a species can be. Maybe this example demonstrates it on a micro level, but this is exactly why I think most of our "science" now is going to be dispelled and laughed at 100 years from now, and all the people who tout science as truth should really take the stick outta their rears. It makes them walk funny.

Actually, I think your post demonstrates how incredibly ignorant some people are. At first, I thought you were going to mean that we, as a species, think we're advanced in technology. We're not. However, to suggest that everything we know is wrong - that just demonstrates how little knowledge you actually have of what is now known, how it is tested, and the degree of precision to which theory is matched by reality.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Greenman
Wow, the harder you hit something, the more pieces it breaks into, whoda thunk?

Actually, it's more like this (I'm trying for a simple analogy): You smash together two marbles, each with a mass of 5 grams. When they collide, it creates a ball with a mass of 500 grams. That ball doesn't like to exist in this universe, so it spontaneously explodes into many many other particles - some with mass, some without mass, and some of which decay themselves into even more particles.

So, where the hell did the other 490 grams come from?? Simple: E=mc². The kinetic energy of those marbles was converted to mass during the impact.

And, what did they discover? They discovered that some particle - that hadn't been predicted - existed for a fleeting moment.

OP: from what little that I read of this in the past couple days, it seemed that the physicists were more interested in the fact that they had narrowed down the range of masses that the Higgs Boson can exist at. i.e. while I'm not much of a particle physicist, I got the impression that the impact of this discovery is "wow, that's kinda neat" not "whoa! time to go back to the drawing board."

The constraints on the Higgs Boson were between 114 & 185 GeV. The recent experiments ruled out 160 to 170 GeV with 95% certainty. So, about 14% of the range of possible masses was pretty much ruled out.

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

Originally posted by: artikk
hmm it won't come as surprise to me if eventually they find particles that comprise the quarks themselves.

and then the particles that make up the particles that make up quarks... 😛

 

[Hacp]

Is the black hole here yet?

 

[Modular]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: Modular

Originally posted by: silverpig

Originally posted by: Greenman
Wow, the harder you hit something, the more pieces it breaks into, whoda thunk?

It's a little different than that. It's the pieces joining together to become something that shouldn't exist with the physics we know now.

So basically all that we know concerning this area, or physics in general can be called into question (on a theoretical level at least).


Just another example of how ignorant we as a species can be. Maybe this example demonstrates it on a micro level, but this is exactly why I think most of our "science" now is going to be dispelled and laughed at 100 years from now, and all the people who tout science as truth should really take the stick outta their rears. It makes them walk funny.

Actually, I think your post demonstrates how incredibly ignorant some people are. At first, I thought you were going to mean that we, as a species, think we're advanced in technology. We're not. However, to suggest that everything we know is wrong - that just demonstrates how little knowledge you actually have of what is now known, how it is tested, and the degree of precision to which theory is matched by reality.

Firstly, I appreciate that you edited your post. Second, I'm not trying to cause an argument, but based of what Godless said, (and before I had read the article) it seemed as though much of what we believed concerning that particular area of physics was potentially going to be called into question at least at the theoretical level. I wasn't that specific in my original post though; it was early and I was on my way out the door to work. Now that I've read it, I see that what I posted could be taken the wrong way (and we all know in ATOT when something can be taken the wrong way it definitely will be). Anyways, cheers!

:beer: