Fermi delayed

[SlowSpyder]

Not sure how anyone could be suprised by this. They'll launch in March, sell out in a day, then you'll see parts here and there for a while. They're launching after havng chips in production since January, bulding up stock. They won't have that luxury after launch, whatever they build will sell out almost instantly.

 

[scooterlibby]

Bleh well I'm not waiting for May FFS. At this point I'd be willing to pay for the massively overpriced 5970 (at least $100 over MSRP), but even it's still not available through e-tailers like Newegg!!!

 

[Keysplayr]

Wow, you really like Nvidia, don't you? Fermi was supposed to be launched in Q4 09. Q4 is long since past and Fermi is still nowhere to be seen. It's late. Horribly late. It's already 6 months behind the competition and i doubt we'll see a decent ammount of GF100s for sale on March/April release.

The "it will come when it comes"-mentality is weird.

Yes PingVin, I really like Nvidia. But I have no idea what could have clued you in.
Yep. Fermi is late. I think we all know that. But still, there was never an actual release date. Only rough timeframes of when NV hoped to get it to market. But things happen. Problems happen. This isn't something new.
You mention it is 6 months behind the competition. I would agree. It's 6 months behind the competition as far as a release time. But I believe it is leagues ahead in terms of it's technology. Of that, there is no question.
It's unfortunate the way things are playing out here, but I believe it'll be worth the wait IMHO.

 

[WelshBloke]

welsh: Is that pic the working fermi or the wood screw one?

Wood screw one
I think they must have run out.

 

[WelshBloke]

Yes PingVin, I really like Nvidia. But I have no idea what could have clued you in.
Yep. Fermi is late. I think we all know that. But still, there was never an actual release date. Only rough timeframes of when NV hoped to get it to market. But things happen. Problems happen. This isn't something new.
You mention it is 6 months behind the competition. I would agree. It's 6 months behind the competition as far as a release time. But I believe it is leagues ahead in terms of it's technology. Of that, there is no question.
It's unfortunate the way things are playing out here, but I believe it'll be worth the wait IMHO.

Thing is it doesn't matter how advanced it is if they cant get it into our hands.
And its not going to stay the most advanced thing for ever.

I'm thinking you were right when you said it would be released before Xmas, you just declined to tell us what year you were referring to. :\

 

[Keysplayr]

How about if you're building a new rig? Could you see where waiting 6+ months for a part to complete said build , might be kind of ridiculous?

That would fall under the same category as if your video card exploded. Either way, you simply don't "have" one to make a functional rig. So yes, I agree with you. 6 months to wait when you have "nothing" would be rediculous.

 

[Keysplayr]

Wood screw one
I think they must have run out.

Yeah, that was the mockup. At the time of GTC, they didn't have a "cosmetically pleasing to the eye" version yet. They had working and running silicon, just not on a finalized PCB/electronic layout yet. Probably looked like Frankencard at that time, but functional.

 

[Barfo]

They should at least release some benchmarks for those still waiting.

 

[nosfe]

It's 6 months behind the competition as far as a release time. But I believe it is leagues ahead in terms of it's technology. Of that, there is no question.
It's unfortunate the way things are playing out here, but I believe it'll be worth the wait IMHO.

Please don't say that, you're reminding me of Phenom which was also a "technological marvel" and "worth the wait"

 

[WelshBloke]

They should at least release some benchmarks for those still waiting.

They'd get grief for that though. Nobody trusts inhouse benchmarks.

The best they could do at this moment is be open, say they've got probs what they are and how they are going to fix them.
And give an honest timetable for events.

I think they would get a lot of credibility back then.

 

[yh125d]

I miss the days of picking up a 6600GT for $140 and being excited cause I know I got a great deal. Or picking up a 7600GT for $125 and knowing I got great bang for the buck. Or buying a 8800GT for $150 and laughing at the guys who paid $500 for their 8800GTX.


Nvidia doesn't have that for me anymore

 

[Rebel44]

Quote from HardOCP:

Man, how many times have I told you since November? You still don't believe me? Feb the earliest (which now we know will NOT happen), most likely late March, and possibly April.

Right now I am betting on April.

You know how NV embargoes information about sample cards right? Well, I am under no embargoes with NV currently. Chinese New Year just ended so the world over there is just spinning up this week. We might possibly see some sample cards in the first week of March is what I am guessing. But that is still iffy.

I don't see any way possible that NVIDIA is going to have any quantity of 400 series cards on the shelf before September or October.

The build kits have been delivered and some quantity of GPUs have been shipped, but that quantity is very small.

link: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1035346771#post1035346771

 

[MrK6]

They'd get grief for that though. Nobody trusts inhouse benchmarks.

The best they could do at this moment is be open, say they've got probs what they are and how they are going to fix them.
And give an honest timetable for events.

I think they would get a lot of credibility back then.

To enthusiasts like us, maybe. To people in other disciplines, especially shareholders, definitely not. Keeping hush is the best thing they can do now in addition to working furiously to make a product that doesn't suck at launch. It's funny how this situation reminds me more and more of the HD2900 from AMD/ATI. The HD2900 had some great technical advancements and really dominated in some areas (benchmarking king, for example), however it had lackluster gaming performance. From the limited info available, it seems like this could be a possible outcome for Fermi.

 

[Leyawiin]

I'm glad I got the best "upper-mid" card I could get for around $200 this week (and its not an ATI). I don't want to wait for an upgrade anymore. If Fermi is all that I'll sell it in the fall and get one of their new offerings. Otherwise, I'll wait for something better from ATI to slowly fall into that price range. I'm set for now.

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3656

 

[PingviN]

You mention it is 6 months behind the competition. I would agree. It's 6 months behind the competition as far as a release time. But I believe it is leagues ahead in terms of it's technology. Of that, there is no question.

With this I agree, however, are these leagues ahead in technology something we will actually take advantage of? When it comes to gaming (I'm going to leave HPC out this time), HD5850/5870 is more than sufficient. We won't see compute heavy/Dx11 titles in the near future due to the consolification (new word?) of the market. Nvidia has a new architecture, something AMD does not, but the question is if it's worth it at this time.

 

[Imp]

I miss the days of picking up a 6600GT for $140 and being excited cause I know I got a great deal. Or picking up a 7600GT for $125 and knowing I got great bang for the buck. Or buying a 8800GT for $150 and laughing at the guys who paid $500 for their 8800GTX.


Nvidia doesn't have that for me anymore

I got my 7600gt close to release, and it was $250 CAD(~$190-210 US) then. The 6600gt was still going for around $200 CAD.

 

[GlacierFreeze]

Nvidia Failmi is the correct pronunciation.

 

[ScorcherDarkly]

But I believe it is leagues ahead in terms of it's technology. Of that, there is no question.

Anyone that doesn't "question" whether or not an unreleased product is superior to what's currently on the market is either a fan boy or delusional. You have an informed opinion based on past evidence that may end up being correct, but stating "there is no question" borders on blind faith. In a technology company? Really? Couple such devotion with the fact that they give you free stuff as part of what's basically a sponsored product review and your credibility is gone in my view.

You can spin however you want, the fact remains the same. Launch of Fermi is going to be 6 months later than the competition, at least, with mass availability between 8 and 10 months late, by NV's own admission. Whether the performance of the card can excuse or make up for the tardiness of the product certainly is in question, and remains to be seen.

 

[KIAman]

Fermi delayed? Never saw THAT one coming...


???? Nvidia currently has "fabulous" graphics chips? Which exactly are those? Unless things have drastically changed in the last 24 hours, Nvidia is getting beaten at nearly every price point.

I was about to point out the same thing. It seems Nvidia feels their current GPUs are competitive with whatever ATI has out and this seems to justify their rebranding shenanigans.

 

[mm2587]

I'm glad I got the best "upper-mid" card I could get for around $200 this week (and its not an ATI). I don't want to wait for an upgrade anymore. If Fermi is all that I'll sell it in the fall and get one of their new offerings. Otherwise, I'll wait for something better from ATI to slowly fall into that price range. I'm set for now.

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3656

the core216 is really the only product nvidia has thats priced competitively right now. Its a few bucks more then a 5770 but you get a linear increase in performance and physx support, of course thats at the cost of dx11.

The $200 price bracket is a real trouble spot for amd right now. They need something to fill the gap between the $170 5770 and the $300 5850.

 

[Fox5]

the core216 is really the only product nvidia has thats priced competitively right now. Its a few bucks more then a 5770 but you get a linear increase in performance and physx support, of course thats at the cost of dx11.

The $200 price bracket is a real trouble spot for amd right now. They need something to fill the gap between the $170 5770 and the $300 5850.

That would have been the 4890, except it's oos. Maybe some kind of super overclocked 5770?

 

[ZipSpeed]

Anyone think we may get a 5890 refresh in the next few months or now that Nvidia has spilled the beans, AMD may put it on hold?

 

[yh125d]

Anyone think we may get a 5890 refresh in the next few months or now that Nvidia has spilled the beans, AMD may put it on hold?

Probably yeah. I hope they wait until fermi does come out though, no need to release one ASAP.

5890 with 950-1000 stock core and loads of overclockability? I'd buy one (to replace my much beloved 4890)

 

[GodisanAtheist]

ATI sure as hell ain't dropping prices till GTX 4xx is out in force. I don't think they'd really have a reason to compress their own pricing scheme without comp from Nvidia.

 

[Rezist]

I'm wating for the ATI 6 series, due out in November and 28 nm will be way better then Fermi, and they'll launch around the same time!