Ferguson: Part Deux - protests now starting

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mizzou

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There will be more protests/marches or something organized is happening 10th - 13th. I think it's because the grand jury is supposed to deliver their decision on whether or not to indict a few days after that, but the media has said there is no timeline according to the prosecutors....

I am ALL for peaceful protests, mourning, and trying to fight for a cause. But I'll stick to my guns and say that, in my opinion, Michael Brown and the incident in which he was shot is not the right person or issue for this cause.

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https://twitter.com/valeriehahn

http://twitchy.com/2014/10/09/protes...ault-reporter/

https://vine.co/v/OAMuKgU12W2
 
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smackababy

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Will these peaceful protests or more looting and rioting?

I am also a bit perplexed they are champion Michael Brown as some kind of pillar of society.
 
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smackababy said:
Will these peaceful protests or more looting and rioting?

I am also a bit perplexed they are champion Michael Brown as some kind of pillar of society.
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Are they championing brown or are they protesting a horrible police force?
 
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mizzou

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smackababy said:
Will these peaceful protests or more looting and rioting?

I am also a bit perplexed they are champion Michael Brown as some kind of pillar of society.
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The civil rights movement was such an amazing thing, I mean, I would have LOVED to have fought for that cause back then. People want to bear that cross, and when history looked back at the civil rights movement, it was HUGE.


People are NOT going to look back at Michael Brown and say, "These marches....they meant something" "Our worlds changed after we marched for Michael Brown." The circumstances at this point are UNKNOWN. At best, it is a NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE. What the fuck are we destroying stores over that for? I don't know. Black people are gunning each other down in scores in St. Louis and we don't collect $1.00 or lift 1 finger to help that situation? meh........
 
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Most likely the second one. But they're also trashing their own community.
 
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mizzou said:
The civil rights movement was such an amazing thing, I mean, I would have LOVED to have fought for that cause back then. People want to bear that cross, and when history looked back at the civil rights movement, it was HUGE.


People are NOT going to look back at Michael Brown and say, "These marches....they meant something" "Our worlds changed after we marched for Michael Brown." The circumstances at this point are UNKNOWN. At best, it is a NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE. What the fuck are we destroying stores over that for? I don't know. Black people are gunning each other down in scores in St. Louis and we don't collect $1.00 or lift 1 finger to help that situation? meh........
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I'm sure that's what the anti civil liberty side was saying back then as well.
 
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The only things we really know about Brown is that he stole some cigars and was shot dead by the cops. Maybe he's a hard core gangbanger. Maybe he just had a bad day, lost it, and did something stupid (or maybe two somethings stupid.) Either way, saying he's not suitable as a poster boy for the current civil rights movement is as premature as saying he was murdered.

If the Ferguson cops are as bad as alleged, then something good already has come from the protests. (Admittedly, to go along with the bad.)
 
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mizzou

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werepossum said:
The only things we really know about Brown is that he stole some cigars and was shot dead by the cops. Maybe he's a hard core gangbanger. Maybe he just had a bad day, lost it, and did something stupid (or maybe two somethings stupid.) Either way, saying he's not suitable as a poster boy for the current civil rights movement is as premature as saying he was murdered.

If the Ferguson cops are as bad as alleged, then something good already has come from the protests. (Admittedly, to go along with the bad.)
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stole some cigars? he committed a strong arm robbery! theres a huge difference between concealing cigars and roughing up a clerk to get away with them....

if you want to call the facts dont at least grossly minimize them

/facepalm

i am not condoning the shooting based on that, but i also agree we have very few facts
 
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actually i think the "lapel cam," will be the ultimate final recourse from this action..


and i completely think the looting and violent protests are worth that..


its already happening in Denver and Dallas.. and it's long, long overdue..

how many homeless get executed in the shadows in the early morning hours for fun? how many methamphetamine fueled near death beatings dealt by the cops?
these cops are so crooked man, how many hookers you think get exploited on a daily basis, how many drugs confiscated illegally and used by the police, instead of doing what they are supposed to do? how many cops driving under the influence at high rates of speed with no regard to traffic/pedestrians?

how many double life living cops selling drugs on duty, running protection for civilian drug dealers, even transporting drugs in squad cars for drug dealers....

think it doesn't happen? think again. that's what the the huge WAAAHHHH your hearing from police departments across the nation is about... its not about them taking a shit with a lapel cam on, it's about them doing some seriously crooked shit on a daily basis and there little free ride is about to come to a crashing halt.
 
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mizzou said:
stole some cigars? he committed a strong arm robbery! theres a huge difference between concealing cigars and roughing up a clerk to get away with them....

if you want to call the facts dont at least grossly minimize them

/facepalm

i am not condoning the shooting based on that, but i also agree we have very few facts
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I wouldn't disagree with the characterization, it's just that as a strong arm robbery it seemed, um, rather underwhelming. But I agree that should be the technical charge, were Brown still alive. Point is though we really don't know much about Brown; that might not be typical of him.
 
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cubby1223

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werepossum said:
If the Ferguson cops are as bad as alleged, then something good already has come from the protests. (Admittedly, to go along with the bad.)
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Two steps forward, ten steps backwards? And the two steps are based on an if ? Doesn't sound like good progress to me.
 
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IGBT

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are they going to burn down their homes / neighborhood again?? Make the Koreans spend all night on the roofs with shot guns??
 
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FerrelGeek

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And what will happen if the grand jury says there is insufficient evidence to hand out an indictment? I want the GJ to make their decision based on facts, not mob intimidation.
 
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Jhhnn

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werepossum said:
The only things we really know about Brown is that he stole some cigars and was shot dead by the cops. Maybe he's a hard core gangbanger. Maybe he just had a bad day, lost it, and did something stupid (or maybe two somethings stupid.) Either way, saying he's not suitable as a poster boy for the current civil rights movement is as premature as saying he was murdered.

If the Ferguson cops are as bad as alleged, then something good already has come from the protests. (Admittedly, to go along with the bad.)
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Lovely distortion. The cop had no knowledge that Brown had stolen the cigars, iirc. Given that, the shooting was unrelated.

Well, unless you're trying to link the events together to tell a different story.
 
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smackababy

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Jhhnn said:
Lovely distortion. The cop had no knowledge that Brown had stolen the cigars, iirc. Given that, the shooting was unrelated.

Well, unless you're trying to link the events together to tell a different story.
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Or, unless, you're not an idiot. If someone just committed a robbery, how do you think they are going to react to a police officer approaching them soon after? That could have contributed to how Brown may have acted during the altercation that ended in him being shot. We don't know. But, claiming they have nothing related is dishonest at best.


The problem I have is we got a bunch of idiotic TV coverage of shit like the Brown funeral, with of course, the big race baiters in attendance going on about how great of a person he was. They are being incredibly dishonest with that. Had they come out and said "He might have done some bad things, but he didn't deserve to be gunned down like a dog in the streets," I'd have more sympathy for the situation. However, trying to paint this guy as a fucking civil rights hero is beyond stupid.

And, then we get the riots. Which just further displays the fucked up situation. If you were so oppressed as a member of the black community in Ferguson, destroying local, black community owned, businesses to vent your frustration just removes from that issue. Have a peaceful protest; organize a sit in. That shit works, not being violent and disorderly. You are only fueling negative public opinion and giving ammunition to those that oppose you.
 
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zanejohnson said:
actually i think the "lapel cam," will be the ultimate final recourse from this action..


and i completely think the looting and violent protests are worth that..


its already happening in Denver and Dallas.. and it's long, long overdue..

how many homeless get executed in the shadows in the early morning hours for fun? how many methamphetamine fueled near death beatings dealt by the cops?
these cops are so crooked man, how many hookers you think get exploited on a daily basis, how many drugs confiscated illegally and used by the police, instead of doing what they are supposed to do? how many cops driving under the influence at high rates of speed with no regard to traffic/pedestrians?

how many double life living cops selling drugs on duty, running protection for civilian drug dealers, even transporting drugs in squad cars for drug dealers....

think it doesn't happen? think again. that's what the the huge WAAAHHHH your hearing from police departments across the nation is about... its not about them taking a shit with a lapel cam on, it's about them doing some seriously crooked shit on a daily basis and there little free ride is about to come to a crashing halt.
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i think you have watched too many episodes of Gotham.
 
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cabri

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Jhhnn said:
Lovely distortion. The cop had no knowledge that Brown had stolen the cigars, iirc. Given that, the shooting was unrelated.

Well, unless you're trying to link the events together to tell a different story.
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Wilson had no knowledge so it would not have influenced his actions.

Brown had knowledge, it may have easily influenced his actions.
 
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CitizenKain

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smackababy said:
Or, unless, you're not an idiot. If someone just committed a robbery, how do you think they are going to react to a police officer approaching them soon after? That could have contributed to how Brown may have acted during the altercation that ended in him being shot. We don't know. But, claiming they have nothing related is dishonest at best.


The problem I have is we got a bunch of idiotic TV coverage of shit like the Brown funeral, with of course, the big race baiters in attendance going on about how great of a person he was. They are being incredibly dishonest with that. Had they come out and said "He might have done some bad things, but he didn't deserve to be gunned down like a dog in the streets," I'd have more sympathy for the situation. However, trying to paint this guy as a fucking civil rights hero is beyond stupid.

And, then we get the riots. Which just further displays the fucked up situation. If you were so oppressed as a member of the black community in Ferguson, destroying local, black community owned, businesses to vent your frustration just removes from that issue. Have a peaceful protest; organize a sit in. That shit works, not being violent and disorderly. You are only fueling negative public opinion and giving ammunition to those that oppose you.
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Did you know that the people protesting and the people rioting are different people? I watched a ton of live streams, and it was always the cops that caused problems. Maybe if they had been doing their jobs instead of harassing people they could have saved those stores.
 
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cubby1223

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CitizenKain said:
Did you know that the people protesting and the people rioting are different people? I watched a ton of live streams, and it was always the cops that caused problems. Maybe if they had been doing their jobs instead of harassing people they could have saved those stores.
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Your bias in this situation has been often demonstrated.

But since you enjoy playing the "maybe if" game, maybe if the protesters never protested, the rioters wouldn't have had the opportunity to riot, and police wouldn't have had to apply greater pressure.
 
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