Feminist professor attacks pro-life demonstrator

[Sunburn74]

Teenagers really shouldn't be allowed to protest anything. I honestly can't think of a single topic a <18 individual has a right to actually complain and be taken seriously about.

 

[ch33zw1z]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#Murders

 

[momeNt]

Yep.

Stupid government will not allow 10 year abortions.

I'm not arguing to be able to abort your 10 year old child. I'm saying that parents should have the liberty to abandon their child. Big difference.

I liken it to a stranger enters your house and the conditions outside are certain death. Do you have the right to remove him from your house? Or must you feed and care for him until the conditions allow him to leave safely.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

I'll keep KNOWING it because it's a fact, Jack.



All irrelevant.

You're stupid and you don't know shit.

 

[himkhan]

It amused me more to poke fun at your feigned outrage.^_^

:thumbsup: I hope you don't mind but I fixed this for you.

 

[davmat787]

haha. Yeah I forgot. You're not magically a "child" until you're out of the womb, when the god of "child"hood waves his wand and says "this is a human being".

'Anytime before that we can make it a salad.

The latest episode of "Through the Wormhole" with Morgan Freeman (Science Channel) is on when human life starts. Different opinions were presented, but one scientist did a study using premature babies. He found brain activity in 26 week old premature babies on level with a just born baby.

If we are going to have abortion, obviously there needs to be a cutoff as to when it can happen. I think the so called partial birth abortions are diabolical, and don't like the idea of abortions period. But in reality, they do need to be legal to provide a safe last resort option.

24 weeks would provide plenty of time for the pregnant to think over various options and decide, yet before the baby has the same brain functions of a newborn.

I still don't like it, but that seems like a logical timeframe to me.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

The latest episode of "Through the Wormhole" with Morgan Freeman (Science Channel) is on when human life starts. Different opinions were presented, but one scientist did a study using premature babies. He found brain activity in 26 week old premature babies on level with a just born baby.

If we are going to have abortion, obviously there needs to be a cutoff as to when it can happen. I think the so called partial birth abortions are diabolical, and don't like the idea of abortions period. But in reality, they do need to be legal to provide a safe last resort option.

24 weeks would provide plenty of time for the pregnant to think over various options and decide, yet before the baby has the same brain functions of a newborn.

I still don't like it, but that seems like a logical timeframe to me.

Hard Cutoff at 20 weeks. Exceptions after that time:
1) Situation where Mom dies or baby dies
2) Baby has fatal condition, non-viable




Hard to pin down the exact time when the fetus, which has human life, attains human personhood. I would go with 20 weeks as to establish a good moral safety margin.

At 24 weeks is the cutoff point for when many doctors will use intensive medical intervention to attempt to save the life of a baby born prematurely including doing a cesarean section. Between 23 and 24 weeks is a "gray zone" where most doctors would not intervene. And below 23 weeks weeks doctors are unlikely to do a cesarean section for fetal reasons and most neonatologist will not resuscitate a baby born before 23 weeks, and many won't resuscitate a baby born between 23-24 weeks.


Week 21

Gestational age: 18 weeks old.
Embryonic age: Week nr 17. 16 weeks old.

• The fetus reaches a length of 20 cm (8 inches).
• Lanugo covers the entire body.
• Eyebrows and eyelashes appear.
• Nails appear on fingers and toes.
• The fetus is more active with increased muscle development.
• "Quickening" usually occurs (the mother and others can feel the fetus moving).
• The fetal heartbeat can be heard with a stethoscope.

 

[IBMer]

Whats really amazing is what will happen to all these poor aborted babies, through no fault of their own, according to Christians... they go to hell.

 

[sandorski]

Whats really amazing is what will happen to all these poor aborted babies, through no fault of their own, according to Christians... they go to hell.

Not necessarily. It's complicated and like most Theological issues, it depends on which group that's 100% certain of their position you ask.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Whats really amazing is what will happen to all these poor aborted babies, through no fault of their own, according to Christians... they go to hell.

God says, "No, they don't."

 

[Pray To Jesus]

Not necessarily. It's complicated and like most Theological issues, it depends on which group, 100% certain of their position, you ask.

English motherfucker.

 

[davmat787]

Hard Cutoff at 20 weeks. Exceptions after that time:

I like 20 weeks even better.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

It's never too late to abort a pro-lifer.

 

[Victorian Gray]

The only coward is you.

have fun

 

[MagickMan]

It's never too late to abort a pro-lifer.

You spelled that wrong, I'll help you.

"It's never too late to abort a progressive."

You're welcome.

 

[z1ggy]

In a TH thread with all the nutbags, yeeeehawww!!

 

[Mursilis]

I don't really care if its a fetus or a human in legal terms. I am pro-liberty, I do not believe that one can impose on another's liberty to make a mother (or parents in the case of children) responsible for their care. I believe that mothers should be able to remove the fetus even if it is dependent on the uterus for survival in that stage of its development.

The same goes for children that are already born. The mere fact that a child exists and it is genetically linked to a person does not bind their liberty to have to labor for the child's well-being.

Seriously? So if the mother and father decide their child is too much of a bother, they can just leave it out in the snow and let fate deal with it?

 

[momeNt]

Seriously? So if the mother and father decide their child is too much of a bother, they can just leave it out in the snow and let fate deal with it?

What would you have the alternative be? Establish an authoritarian entity that levies taxes and pays specific people to specifically police weather or not children are being cared for?

The burden on liberty to try and stop the few people who can't hack it as parents is too great.

There could also be ways to stop parents from trying to hide when they abandon their kids, like instead of locking them in the house and leaving, or tossing them in a dumpster. Charities would likely pop up to help support children that have been abandoned, and encourage parents who are looking for a way out to not harm their children in the process. All of this could be voluntary.

I'm not even sure, but what would happen today if you had a 10 year old and wanted to give it up? What are your options? I can't even google the answer because it apparently is an unfathomable thought. All the more reason why parents run away, because as Texashiker pointed out, that contract between parent and child is enforced and there really isn't any going back.

 

[Texashiker]

In a TH thread with all the nutbags, yeeeehawww!!

Aint it glorious!!!!!!!

What would you have the alternative be? Establish an authoritarian entity that levies taxes and pays specific people to specifically police weather or not children are being cared for?

Yep.

It is called child protection services (CPS), maybe you have heard of it?

 

[momeNt]

Aint it glorious!!!!!!!




Yep.

It is called child protection services (CPS), maybe you have heard of it?

You're a big government shill.

So if you stopped paying your taxes, you'd get thrown in jail for 10 years, and your child loses their parents. How does that protect children?

 

[MrPickins]

Seriously? So if the mother and father decide their child is too much of a bother, they can just leave it out in the snow and let fate deal with it?

Not in the snow, but:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_haven_law

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baby_hatch

 

[mikeymikec]

I'm not a "liberal", asshat.

You'll get in that pigeon hole when Incorruptible tells you! He doesn't care how large and round you are, his mallet will get you in there!

 

[Atreus21]

So, we have an incident where an obnoxious anti abortion 'protestor' gets a small push as she gets in the other person's face. (and no, the prof should never have taken the sign)

Then we have this (along with anthrax threats, bombings and arson, attempted murder, threats of family members and so on)

You need to try harder.

"In the U.S., violence directed towards abortion providers has killed at least eight people, including four doctors, two clinic employees, a security guard, and a clinic escort.[8][9]

• March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Gunn's murder and was sentenced to life in prison.
• July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside another facility, the Ladies Center, in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings. Hill received a death sentence and was executed on September 3, 2003. The clinic in Pensacola had been bombed before in 1984 and was also bombed subsequently in 2012.
• December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.
• January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.
• October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death with a high-powered rifle at his home in Amherst, New York.[10] His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Slepian's murder after being apprehended in France in 2001.

May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by Scott Roeder as Tiller served as an usher at a church in Wichita, Kansas."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#Murders

No, he doesn't need to try harder. You guys need to quit diverting. Those acts are damnable and deserving of as much condemnation as a suicide bomber would merit. Can we stay on topic?

 

[Atreus21]

The latest episode of "Through the Wormhole" with Morgan Freeman (Science Channel) is on when human life starts. Different opinions were presented, but one scientist did a study using premature babies. He found brain activity in 26 week old premature babies on level with a just born baby.

If we are going to have abortion, obviously there needs to be a cutoff as to when it can happen. I think the so called partial birth abortions are diabolical, and don't like the idea of abortions period. But in reality, they do need to be legal to provide a safe last resort option.

24 weeks would provide plenty of time for the pregnant to think over various options and decide, yet before the baby has the same brain functions of a newborn.

I still don't like it, but that seems like a logical timeframe to me.

Any regulation on abortion is a step in the right direction. And any regulation, slight or severe, is treated by the pro-abortion side as the onset of the Christian Caliphate.

 

[Mursilis]

What would you have the alternative be? Establish an authoritarian entity that levies taxes and pays specific people to specifically police weather or not children are being cared for?

The burden on liberty to try and stop the few people who can't hack it as parents is too great.

Burden on liberty? I do not believe in a right to liberty so great that one may simply abandon all obligations merely on a whim. I'd say a parent who willingly has a child has a moral responsibilty to care for that child until it reaches the age of majority, and is only excused from that obligation in certain dire circumstances, such as physical or mental incapacitation.