Feminist dilemma with unisex snowboarding slopes at the Olympics, and women in combat

[Texashiker]

Some of the snowboarding slopes at the Olympics are labeled as unisex, as in designed for both men and women. The problem is, women are having more accidents and more serious injuries than men.

At the end of the article there is mention of women in combat. If women suffer more injuries than men in combat, what are we as a nation supposed to do?

Do we lower the physical standards for women and men, or do we hold women soldiers to the same standard as men and deal with the injuries?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corne...x-slopes-whats-feminist-do-heather-mac-donald

Of the 22 accidents that either forced athletes out of the competition or required medical attention on the final run, 16 involved female skiers, reports the New York Times, even though far fewer females than males actually essay the course.

What is a Feminist to do?

If the slopes are made easier, then feminist have to admit females are not as capable as men.

If the slopes are not made easier, women have more severe injuries then men.

The article goes on to say receiving special treatment is perhaps sexist,

The Olympics’ history of “trying to protect women from the perils of some sports” by creating easier ski courses is “sexist, perhaps,” agonizes the Times’ reporter. And yet, the “equality” at Extreme Park comes at the “possible detriment of the female participants.”

 

[Jaskalas]

Could set a certain muscle mass / strength minimum requirement in order to compete. For safety reasons.

I'm assuming body build differences are responsible for the injuries. That or just poor luck.

 

[desy]

Yep women just aren't built the same
They also have more injuries in say soccer by heading the ball.
Same size ball more prone to concussion due to physiology. Its up to the IOC to determine if the risk warrants a change due to safety. Sports approach an edge for women it may have to be lowered

 

[Atomic Playboy]

The New York Times article makes several mentions that the primary reason that more women are being injured is because the women competitors in the sport, even the medal favorites, don't generally train on jumps as large as these, whereas the men all do. If none of the athletes competing are ready for the scale of the thing, you're going to see an increase in injury. If the men all practiced in a 22-foot halfpipe and they arrived to see a 30-foot halfpipe, you'd see an increase in injury for them too. It's not directly comparable to armed combat as the armed services could very easily mandate that women and men both trained on identical courses and equipment so that when it came time for deployment, both groups had identical training.

You'll get no argument from me that men are, on average, bigger, stronger and faster than women. But that doesn't mean that the freakishly-athletic woman should be banned from armed service just because of her chromosomes, it means that women who aren't strong enough to pass the criteria required shouldn't be allowed. That's not sexism anymore than requiring good math skills of rocket scientists means NASA is racist.

 

[z1ggy]

There already is sexism in sports.

Women's hoops uses a smaller ball.

Women's "Baseball" uses a big ol' beach ball and they pitch overhand.

Women's football barely exists.

Women's hockey, there is no body checking.

I don't think women are bad at sports, it's just that who ever made the rules up decided it would be easier for them if things were made slightly easier.

I have tried to hit a softball off a D1 women's softball pitcher. I played D3 baseball myself.. I couldn't even touch it. She was that good.

I also played hockey with a few D1 women's hockey players. They were just as good as a regular guys out there skating. They just do not generally have the power and size men do.

 

[sunzt]

They can use the same course, just go slower to avoid the injuries and better know their limits.... problem solved.

 

[ElFenix]

I don't think women are bad at sports, it's just that who ever made the rules up decided it would be easier for them if things were made slightly easier.

I have tried to hit a softball off a D1 women's softball pitcher. I played D3 baseball myself.. I couldn't even touch it. She was that good.

there was an article in SI last year about that. jennie finch blows balls past pretty much every major leaguer willing to stand in the box against her. she throws significantly slower than a major league pitcher (65 mph), but because the softball pitcher is much closer to the plate, the pitch takes the same time to get to home.

the issue isn't the speed so much as a baseball player has been watching an overhanded throw for years/decades and decides what to do as the ball is coming out of the pitcher's hand. the softball pitch is completely foreign so the hitters have no idea what to clue in on. give them a season of standing in the box against it and they'll start to figure it out.

 

[berzerker60]

FYI, feminism isn't the same thing as denying that there are any physiological differences between men and women.

 

[brycejones]

OP are you trying to pick up the slack for Nehlam?

 

[Texashiker]

OP are you trying to pick up the slack for Nehlam?

Where has Nehlam been at? He has not posted anything in 2 weeks.

 

[Carfax83]

FYI, feminism isn't the same thing as denying that there are any physiological differences between men and women.

From my experience, while feminists don't deny that there are any physiological differences between men and women, they sure downplay it a lot.

This can lead to some interesting, and ironic circumstances to say the least, of which gender norming is the most poignant example.

 

[Atreus21]

There already is sexism in sports.

Women's hoops uses a smaller ball.

Women's "Baseball" uses a big ol' beach ball and they pitch overhand.

Women's football barely exists.

Women's hockey, there is no body checking.

I don't think women are bad at sports, it's just that who ever made the rules up decided it would be easier for them if things were made slightly easier.

I have tried to hit a softball off a D1 women's softball pitcher. I played D3 baseball myself.. I couldn't even touch it. She was that good.

I also played hockey with a few D1 women's hockey players. They were just as good as a regular guys out there skating. They just do not generally have the power and size men do.

There is sexism in reality.

 

[Munky]

We do nothing about it. They wanted snowboarding or combat duty, now they got it along with the consequences. Trying to equalize the outcome would be just about the dumbest decision anyone could make. Hey - there are far more men committing suicide than women - maybe the feminists would want more "Equality?" I highly doubt that.

 

[Fern]

They can use the same course, just go slower to avoid the injuries and better know their limits.... problem solved.

Bingo!

Fern

 

[finglobes]

Its VERY telling that a fatherless (ok he had a drunk communist dad who booked) child with a loopy mum becomes a psycho president who says he thinks boys shouldn't play in NFL (unless they are sexually disoriented of course) but is moving women into combat.

Of course women get more injuries. Their hip structure make sure they can cross their legs easier (and give birth easier) but it stresses their knees so they get many more knee injuries. Alas the misandrous libs don't care because they are at war with reality (due primary to a personal denial of conscience within themselves)

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Where has Nehlam been at? He has not posted anything in 2 weeks.

And a collective "ahhhhhhhhh" was heard across the board.

 

[brycejones]

Its VERY telling that a fatherless (ok he had a drunk communist dad who booked) child with a loopy mum becomes a psycho president who says he thinks boys shouldn't play in NFL (unless they are sexually disoriented of course) but is moving women into combat.

Of course women get more injuries. Their hip structure make sure they can cross their legs easier (and give birth easier) but it stresses their knees so they get many more knee injuries. Alas the misandrous libs don't care because they are at war with reality (due primary to a personal denial of conscience within themselves)

How much have you been drinking?!?

 

[smackababy]

there was an article in SI last year about that. jennie finch blows balls past pretty much every major leaguer willing to stand in the box against her. she throws significantly slower than a major league pitcher (65 mph), but because the softball pitcher is much closer to the plate, the pitch takes the same time to get to home.

the issue isn't the speed so much as a baseball player has been watching an overhanded throw for years/decades and decides what to do as the ball is coming out of the pitcher's hand. the softball pitch is completely foreign so the hitters have no idea what to clue in on. give them a season of standing in the box against it and they'll start to figure it out.

I've read it is a lot more about how the ball breaks and how you have to predict it. In baseball, you get literally zero time after the ball leaves the hand. So you have to make the swing prior to release. In softball, because it is read different, it is extremely hard to make the same reads and a lot of guys (knowing it is slower than baseball) attempt to read after the release and fail.

I don't think women are bad at sports, it's just that who ever made the rules up decided it would be easier for them if things were made slightly easier.

I have tried to hit a softball off a D1 women's softball pitcher. I played D3 baseball myself.. I couldn't even touch it. She was that good.

I also played hockey with a few D1 women's hockey players. They were just as good as a regular guys out there skating. They just do not generally have the power and size men do.

This is entirely false. There is a reason there isn't mixed sports. In all sports, men would dominate. Look at the olympics, in every sport men do harder, bigger tricks. In more traditional sports, men would be on a completely different level. On of my friends in highschool was like captain of our tennis team. He could barely compete on a state level. Our girls coach (a female) was ranked like top 150 in the world in women's professional tennis and he could consistently best her. The skill gap between men and women is so large in a lot of sports. The very best WNBA player couldn't compete against the worst NBA player. Same for hockey, tennis, snowboarding, ice skating (virtually every ranked man has a quad and there is one women in the history of skating that has one). It isn't sexism; it is fact. If women want to compete against the man, I say let them, just don't bitch when you can't win.

 

[michal1980]

I watched both mens and womens snowboard slopestyle. It was obvious that either the women weren't ready for the course, or the course wasn't suited to the women.

I don't know why there would be such a gap between the men and women, but it was huge. The tricks the men were putting down were leagues beyond what the women could, or did do. I did not expect the difference to be so large in this event, but it was there, and it was obvious. Before watching it, I would have bet that two would be far closer in performance then reality.

 

[waggy]

This is entirely false. There is a reason there isn't mixed sports. In all sports, men would dominate. Look at the olympics, in every sport men do harder, bigger tricks. In more traditional sports, men would be on a completely different level. On of my friends in highschool was like captain of our tennis team. He could barely compete on a state level. Our girls coach (a female) was ranked like top 150 in the world in women's professional tennis and he could consistently best her. The skill gap between men and women is so large in a lot of sports. The very best WNBA player couldn't compete against the worst NBA player. Same for hockey, tennis, snowboarding, ice skating (virtually every ranked man has a quad and there is one women in the history of skating that has one). It isn't sexism; it is fact. If women want to compete against the man, I say let them, just don't bitch when you can't win.

Yeah..im going to go ahead and call bullshit on the bolded. a top 150 female in the world constantly getting bested by a so so state player? yeah no. just don't buy it.


while i agree with the overall post. i just don't buy it

 

[DrPizza]

Yeah..im going to go ahead and call bullshit on the bolded. a top 150 female in the world constantly getting bested by a so so state player? yeah no. just don't buy it.


while i agree with the overall post. i just don't buy it

Kinda hard to say. Back when I ran a lot of 10k's, during my first 10k, I met up with a girl in my high school class. She had dozens upon dozens of trophies; a lot of 1st place finishes. So, I agreed to pace with her during the race. Shortly after the 5mile mark, I said, "see you at the finish" and sprinted the remaining mile plus. I finished something like 25th out of 28 in my age division for males. She got 1st in our age group for females. Take a look at Boston Marathon finishes... First place men's is more than 15 minutes ahead of the 1st place womens. And, within a couple minute of the 1st place mens are the top 10. I don't even know how far back in the back the first woman is... quite a ways back though.

So, in terms of that sport, I can see a top shape high school male athlete being rather competitive vs. 150th for women.

 

[smackababy]

I didn't mean to make him sound like some guy that just picked up tennis. He was good, just not at the professional level. It helps that tennis has a huge gap in gender though. And when I say consistently, I mean he would win like 40% of the matches against her.

But, she was a professional. I wouldn't expect a high school kid who is average to win a single game against a bench rider in the NBA.

 

[OverVolt]

There really isn't a whole lot to discuss. Men have higher red blood cell counts, more muscle mass from testosterone, etc. etc. etc.

Not saying women can't be fit its just hopes and dreams and wishy washy stuff clashing with reality.

It could be just the training. Though when you are at the apex of what is physiologically possible in sports I'm not sure if having different mens courses vs womens courses is better. Can women handle the mens course or not? Its a pretty simple, straightforward problem/question.

I get that this one performance might have been due to not being prepared but be careful what you wish for I guess?

 

[Triumph]

I watched both mens and womens snowboard slopestyle. It was obvious that either the women weren't ready for the course, or the course wasn't suited to the women.

i noticed that too. the women looked like amateur hour in comparison.

 

[waggy]

So, in terms of that sport, I can see a top shape high school male athlete being rather competitive vs. 150th for women.

he is not a top shape. he said "he can berely compete at state level" that is not saying he is a top state contender.

vs a top 150 world ranking pro? no.

now if he said a top nationalist qualifier sure. but someone who is not even state champ? lol no.