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BBond

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This morning, CNN is reporting that the Bush administration is in "problem solving mode."

WTF were they in last week? Problem ignoring mode?

You people are ridiculous. The criminally negligent inaction during time of national emergency on the part of the Bush administration for FIVE LONG DAYS is inexcusable -- yet you somehow continue to excuse it.

The facts are as plain as day. We watched it live. There can be no excuse for what we witnessed on American soil last week.

 

BBond

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And to top it all off, even thought the bastards couldn't respond to a national emergency for five long days, they have somehow managed to get themselves into "profiteering mode" quickly enough.

Ex-FEMA Chief Tied to Hurricane Relief Lobbying
And the website TalkingPointsMemo is reporting that the former head of FEMA, Joe Allbaugh, may stand to profit from the catastrophe in the Gulf region through his various lobbying efforts. President Bush tapped Allbaugh to head FEMA after he served as Bush's campaign manager during the 2000 election. He headed FEMA until March 2003 just as the U.S. was launching its invasion of Iraq. Then Allbaugh helped form a lobbying firm called New Bridge Strategies in order to help clients "take advantage of business opportunities in the Middle East following the conclusion of the U.S.-led war in Iraq." New Bridge Strategies was also formed by several top executives from the lobbying firm then known as Barbour Griffith & Rogers. The head of that firm was Haley Barbour who is now the Republican governor of Mississippi. Earlier this year Joe Allbaugh signed on as a lobbyist for Halliburton subsidiary KBR in order to "educate the congressional and executive branch on defense, disaster relief and homeland security issues." Just last week the federal government announced that Halliburton would be hired to repair the Gulf Coast military bases damaged by Katrina. And now the Washington Post is reporting that Allbaugh is also helping Louisiana "coordinate the private-sector response to the storm."

WTFU people. You're being had AGAIN!

Bush took as long as he did to respond because the evil son-of-a-bitch was planning how to profit from all of the misery he allowed to go un-aided for FIVE LONG DAYS in "The Greatest Nation On Earth".

You fvcking fools.

 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: BBond
You fvcking fools.

You are a tool.

Your arguments have been shot down and dismissed in quick fashion.

Now you are left to insults and personal attacks.

 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: BBond
You fvcking fools.

You are a tool.

Your arguments have been shot down and dismissed in quick fashion.

Now you are left to insults and personal attacks.

You're intellectually morbid if you believe that. The only thing you've shot down is your credibility and humanity, "Team Leader".

WTF do you do besides troll here all day long? You were here from early morning throughout the entire day and into the night yesterday defending the indefensible and kidding yourself and your masters that you've somehow succeeded.

What a fvcking fool.

Need more proof about Georgie and FEMA, FOOL???

Here, from the NY Daily News. One step up from the POST and they even recognize what a fvcking disaster the cronyism of the Bush adminstration is and why FEMA and Bush failed.

Back to your White House Propaganda Office you fvcking traitor.

FEMA packed with W's pals

Campaign pros get top jobs

By KENNETH R. BAZINET
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU

WASHINGTON - The three top jobs at the Federal Emergency Management Agency under President Bush went to political cronies with no apparent experience coping with catastrophes, the Daily News has learned.

Even if Bush were to fire embattled and suddenly invisible FEMA Director Michael Brown over his handling of Hurricane Katrina, the bureaucrat immediately below him is no disaster professional, either.

While Brown ran horse shows in his last private-sector job, FEMA's No. 2 man, deputy director and chief of staff Patrick Rhode, was an advance man for the Bush-Cheney campaign and White House. He also did short stints at the Commerce Department and Small Business Administration.

Rhode's biography posted on FEMA's Web site doesn't indicate he has any real experience in emergency response.

In addition, the agency's former third-ranking official, deputy chief of staff Scott Morris, was a PR expert who worked for Maverick Media, the Texas outfit that produced TV and radio spots for the Bush-Cheney campaign. In June, Morris moved to Florida to become FEMA's long-term recovery director.

"The Bush administration has apparently transformed FEMA from a professional, world-class emergency responder into a dumping ground for former campaign staff and political hacks," said Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-Manhattan).

FEMA also is hampered by several midlevel and regional director's jobs currently held by acting directors.

"Just like our military, FEMA should be immune to this kind of political staffing. It should be run by career emergency response professionals," Maloney added.

Traditionally, the Commerce and Labor departments have long been Washington's dumping ground for presidential pals and campaign operatives - not the disaster relief agency.

Government sources blame Bush's first FEMA director, Joe Allbaugh, with turning FEMA into a patronage shop.

He was chief of staff when Bush was Texas' governor and later headed the 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign.

"He stacked the deck with political appointees," a knowledgeable source said of Allbaugh, who had a reputation for running an efficient FEMA operation until he left the job in March 2003.

FEMA is overseen by the Department of Homeland Security. Officials at both agencies did not return phone calls or E-mails yesterday.
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: BBond
WTF do you do besides troll here all day long? You were here from early morning throughout the entire day and into the night yesterday defending the indefensible and kidding yourself and your masters that you've somehow succeeded.

ROFLMAO. I've often asked the same of you and the roving "Blame America First" gang that runs around these parts.

What a fvcking fool.

What a surprise. BBond, under pressure, results to (Yet another) personal attack. Thanks for proving my point.

Need more proof about Georgie and FEMA, FOOL???

Here, from the NY Daily News. One step up from the POST and they even recognize what a fvcking disaster the cronyism of the Bush adminstration is and why FEMA and Bush failed.

LOL we need to have a "BBond Approved Media List". You keep spending your time fishing out articles to support your extreme left-wing viewpoint.

Back to your White House Propaganda Office you fvcking traitor.

You've proven my point for me.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: BBond
You fvcking fools.

You are a tool.

Your arguments have been shot down and dismissed in quick fashion.

Now you are left to insults and personal attacks.
(Pssst. Here's a hint. Parroting BushCo talking points and other lies hardly constitutes shooting down others' arguments. Spread the word.)

:roll:
 

Pabster

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
(Pssst. Here's a hint. Parroting BushCo talking points and other lies hardly constitutes shooting down others' arguments. Spread the word.)

:thumbsdown:

Obviously you have nothing of substance to add here.

 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Pabster
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
(Pssst. Here's a hint. Parroting BushCo talking points and other lies hardly constitutes shooting down others' arguments. Spread the word.)
:thumbsdown:

Obviously you have nothing of substance to add here.
(Psssst. Here's another hint. There's no substance to that BushCo propaganda you blindly parrot either. Spread the word.)
 

BBond

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How many more lives could have been saved if not for the criminal incompetence and neglect of the Bush administration?

Here's more of the truth about Bush's inaction after Hurricane Katrina:

25,000 body bags reflect worst-case scenario

Louisiana has them ready as New Orleans continues voluntary evacuations

MSNBC staff and news service reports
Updated: 8:38 a.m. ET Sept. 8, 2005

NEW ORLEANS - Soldiers toting M-16s strengthened their grip on this swamped city as concerns grew about the risks posed by the toxic floodwaters and officials braced Thursday for what could be a staggering death toll by readying 25,000 body bags.

Across miles of ravaged neighborhoods of clapboard houses, grand estates and housing projects, workers struggled to find corpses and convince the city?s last stubborn residents to leave.

?Right now, human life is paramount so I?m concentrating all my power on getting out people who want to leave,? New Orleans Police Chief Eddie Compass told NBC?s ?Today? show Thursday. He estimated that ?thousands? were still seeking to evacuate voluntarily.

Searchers were armed with proof of what many holdouts had long feared: The floodwaters are thick with sewage-related bacteria that are at least 10 times higher than acceptable safety limits. The muck contains E. coli, certain viruses and a type of cholera-like bacteria.

?If you haven?t left the city yet, you must do so,? Dr. Julie Gerberding, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said Wednesday. She urged anyone coming into contact with the water to scrub with soap and water.

A New Orleans water sample taken by ?Today? show producers and tested by Rice University found E. coli levels a million times higher than what the Environmental Protection Agency allows for recreational waters. That's as much E. coli as one would find in raw sewage.

Still, some were staying in defiance of Mayor Ray Nagin?s mandatory evacuation order. ?Those that don?t want us to find them, they hide,? said Gregg Brown, a South Carolina game warden helping in the search.

The danger of infection wasn?t limited to the New Orleans area. The bacteria is feared to have migrated to crowded shelters outside the state, where many evacuees are staying. Four deaths ? one in Texas, three in Mississippi ? have been attributed to wound infections, according to the CDC.

Morgue expanded
Officials readied for the potential of a horrendous death toll. Bob Johannessen, spokesman for the state Department of Health and Hospitals, said officials have 25,000 body bags on hand in Louisiana. Asked if authorities expected that many bodies, he said: ?We don?t know what to expect.?

"It means we're prepared," Johannessen said.

Nagin had earlier said New Orleans? death toll could reach 10,000. Already, a temporary warehouse morgue in rural St. Gabriel that had been prepared to take 1,000 bodies was being readied to handle 5,000. The official death toll in Mississippi climbed to 201 Wednesday, but more than 1,000 are feared dead there, too.

In Mississippi, efforts to restore power to residents along the battered coast were moving along. Gov. Haley Barbour said Thursday on ?Today? that power would be restored by Sunday to all homes and businesses able to receive it.

Vice President Dick Cheney plans to tour the region Thursday to assess relief efforts and ?any bureau entanglements that are preventing the execution of the effort,? an administration official told NBC on Wednesday. Cheney will be looking at relief needs ?over the timeline of three to six months.? He is expected to stop in Gulfport, Miss., New Orleans and Baton Rouge, La.

In other developments:

* The Federal Emergency Management Agency, stung by criticism that it failed to act fast enough when Katrina hit, was prepared to hand out $2,000 debit cards for each household affected by the storm. At the Houston Astrodome where many New Orleans evacuees are being housed, long lines formed to register. ?The concept is to get them some cash in hand which allows them, empowers them, to make their own decisions about what do they need to have to start rebuilding,? said Michael Brown, FEMA?s head.
* The U.S. Postal Office has delivered some 15,000 Social Security checks to collection points in areas affected by Katrina, despite being unable to locate 2,000 of its own workers. ?Regardless of where they are, we?ll move their mail to them,? Postmaster General John Potter vowed. ?My message to everybody is, if they are relocated, please inform us.?
* The Bush administration on Wednesday formally asked Congress for $51.8 billion in Katrina relief and recovery expenses, in addition to $10.5 billion already approved, calling it the latest installment ? but not the last. ?We will in fact need substantially more,? said budget director Josh Bolten, estimating that the money would cover expenses for a few weeks.

Many evacuees in Texas move out
The need to move on with their lives has refugees in shelters across Texas slowly moving out. Some are staying in the state. Others are catching buses or taking flights elsewhere.

In Houston, the number of refugees was down Wednesday to a total of 8,096 among four shelters including the Astrodome, said U.S. Coast Guard Lt. Joseph Leonard.

Yvette Herbert, one of the Astrodome?s refugees, said buses were leaving for cities all over the country Wednesday. Among them were Chicago, Atlanta, Detroit and numerous cities in California.

?Everywhere except New Orleans,? the 19-year-old said. ?I want to go back home but we can?t right now.?

Voices of those reluctant to leave
In New Orleans, Nagin has ordered law officers and the military to evacuate all holdouts in the city ? by force if necessary. There were no reports of anyone being physically removed and it was not clear how the order would be carried out.

Some felt they were being threatened to leave. Dolores Devron lashed out in anger as soldiers led her and her husband, Forcell, out of their flooded home.

?There are dead babies tied to poles and they?re dragging us out and leaving the dead babies. That ain?t right!? she screamed, waving her arms as she was directed onto a troop carrier truck.

John and Cathy Nost rode out the storm in their French Quarter home. Now they are unwilling to evacuate even though they say they?re suffering from high fevers they attributed to heat exhaustion.

Military units supply them with food and water. They bathe in water from a nearby swimming pool laced with bleach as a disinfectant and lug buckets back to flush their toilet.

?It?s not that you get used to it, but you don?t want to walk away,? said John Nost, 59.

Sniper fire
The stepped-up evacuation came as workers trying to restart essential services came under sniper fire. More than 100 officers and seven armored personnel carriers captured two suspects in a housing project who had been firing on workers trying to restore cell phone towers, authorities said.

?We?re putting a lot of people on the street right now and I think that we are bringing it under control,? said Capt. Jeff Winn, commander of the police SWAT team. ?Eight days ago this was a mess. Every day is getting a little bit better.?

The floodwaters continued to recede, though slowly, with only 23 of the city?s normal contingent of 148 pumps in operation, along with three portable pumps. The water in St. Bernard Parish had fallen 5 feet.

State officials said 140,000 to 160,000 homes were flooded and will not be recovered, and it would take years to restore water service to all of New Orleans.

There were signs officials were growing impatient with news coverage of the disaster. FEMA has excluded journalists from recovery expeditions and asked them to not take pictures of the dead, drawing protests from press-freedom advocates.

NBC ?Nightly News? anchor Brian Williams wrote in his Web blog that an out-of-town police officer at a New Orleans fire scene pointed her weapon at media members ?armed only with notepads,? and a National Guard sergeant interfered with attempts to film members of the unit.
 

Genx87

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Oh look another insane rant fill thread from BBond. What is wrong, the nurse not wipe you enough at the home?

 

BBond

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Oh look another insane rant fill thread from BBond. What is wrong, the nurse not wipe you enough at the home?

Oh look, another ignorant factless piece of bullsh!t from some kid who is too freakin' stupid to realize when the idiots he worships fvck up.

STFU, kid. Put down the video games and read a newspaper. Maybe you'll learn something.

But from what I've seen of your dumb a$$, probably not.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: BBond
Originally posted by: Genx87
Oh look another insane rant fill thread from BBond. What is wrong, the nurse not wipe you enough at the home?

Oh look, another ignorant factless piece of bullsh!t from some kid who is too freakin' stupid to realize when the idiots he worships fvck up.

lmao

Pot meet Kettle

 

conjur

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Originally posted by: BBond
In other developments:

* The Federal Emergency Management Agency, stung by criticism that it failed to act fast enough when Katrina hit, was prepared to hand out $2,000 debit cards for each household affected by the storm. At the Houston Astrodome where many New Orleans evacuees are being housed, long lines formed to register. ?The concept is to get them some cash in hand which allows them, empowers them, to make their own decisions about what do they need to have to start rebuilding,? said Michael Brown, FEMA?s head.
Well, here's a bit more about those debit cards:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0509/09/ltm.01.html
JINDAL: I agree. And the point in writing the op-ed wasn't to point fingers, but to say we have a lot of work to do. Let's get rid of that bureaucracy moving forward.

We've taken some small steps for it. You know, we passed bills to help students who had to suspend their studies because of the hurricane. We passed bills to help families on TANIF (ph) to get around some of the bureaucracy.

But even now, for example, people are going into shelters and saying, here is your Red Cross debit card. Here is your FEMA debit card. Here is your food stamp debit card. Here is your unemployment benefits debit card. That's four different cards. Why not consolidate that? Why...

M. O'BRIEN: Well, they're not even getting the cards. They're not even getting the cards. It's some people are getting them, some people aren't. I hear that they have to sign a waiver saying they won't ask for any additional aid. Who is going to want to do that? There are all kinds of...

JINDAL: Well...

M. O'BRIEN: It's just a complete warren of difficulty for people who have been put out of their homes, their jobs, their lives.
Also, it appears the cards are $300/person up to $2000/family.

If this is coming from the government and they have to sign a waiver that that's all they will get in aid (for losing homes, cars, jobs, family members, etc.) then this is a crock of SH*T!
 

conjur

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FEMA now ordering crews to NOT break into homes despite the possibility people might still be alive but unable to answer knocks or calls

http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2005/09/14/sections/news/news/article_674836.php
NEW ORLEANS ? This was just another body in the growing number of bodies that they encounter every day.

A human foot arching at an odd angle was visible through the front window of a locked and dark home.

The National Guard team of searchers was about to call in a "DB," or dead body, at 1927 Lopez St. in the Broadmoor district when Lt. Frederick Fell decided to investigate.

In the past few days, the Federal Emergency Management Agency has ordered searchers not to break into homes. They are supposed to look in through a window and knock on the door. If no one cries out for help, they are supposed to move on. If they see a body, they are supposed to log the address and move on.

The morticians will remove the deceased later.

But Fell broke the rules and ordered his men to bash open the door, launching a series of events that would save a man's life and revitalize California Task Force 5 from Orange County. In the past two days, the 80-member task force had identified seven dead bodies in the same neighborhood, and they had rescued no one.

But Tuesday, 16 days after Hurricane Katrina smacked this aging community in the face, an unconscious and emaciated man identified as Edgar Hollingsworth, 74, was rescued. The man is expected to survive.

"I'm on cloud nine," said Task Force leader Marc Hawkins. "It was awesome to be a part of that."

Richard Ventura, a Task Force 5 logistics specialist who works as a paramedic for the Orange County Fire Authority, was on the scene trying to get an IV into Hollingsworth.

"I feel like my battery got recharged," Ventura said. "That's why we're here."

Medics from California Task Force 5, which had been searching in the same neighborhood, were eventually able to get intravenous fluids through a vein under the man's clavicle in an intricate curbside medical procedure that may have saved the man's life.

The man had been lying on the couch in his locked and sweltering home. Fell and Sgt. Jeremy Ridgeway, who also had been searching the neighborhood for survivors, peered through the front window at 1927 Lopez St. and saw Hollingsworth's foot extending over the edge of his couch.

When they crashed through the door, Hollingsworth didn't move. But he was breathing.

National Guard medics draped an IV bag over his ceiling fan, but his veins were too weak to support the needle. They pulled him out of the house and laid him on the sidewalk. He looked as if he weighed less than 80 pounds.

Task Force 5 sent a team that included Dr. Peter Czuleger, an emergency-room doctor at Mission Hospital in Mission Viejo, to the scene. Czuleger didn't have the proper equipment, so he improvised, using a short needle to pierce the vein under Hollingsworth's clavicle.

"It's like trying to climb into a third-story window with a stepladder," Czuleger said.

Once the IV was in place, medics were able to pump 2 liters of saline solution into the man.

The hospital attendants hadn't expected to see a survivor 16 days after the storm.

"They were surprised at the hospital that anyone in his condition would still be alive," Czuleger said. "In 24 hours, he would have been dead.

"I think the young Army guy that found him saved his life."

Afterward, the Guardsmen, like the members of Task Force 5, were excited to have finally saved someone.

"Everyone's adrenaline was pumping, but they were professional about it," said National Guard officer-in- charge Bruce Gaffney said. "We're just happy we got this guy out. He needed to be saved yesterday."

Hollingsworth had been lying naked on his blue-green couch. It was unclear if he had eaten or drunk anything for several days. He was not surrounded by food or water containers. His house was still in disarray from the storm. A chair had landed on top of the kitchen table. Medical vials with the name Lillian Hollingsworth were lying on an easy chair on the other side of the room.

A pit-bull puppy was also pulled from the house. It appeared to be healthy and was transported to the hospital along with Edgar Hollingsworth.

The rescue pumped up the spirits of Task Force 5, which has been mostly marking the locations of bodies for the last week. Earlier, they had been frustrated when FEMA delayed their deployment for four days, housing them in the Hyatt Regency in Dallas.

They were frustrated further when they were given the FEMA order that they weren't allowed to force their way into houses to search them. They hope Hollingsworth's rescue will coax FEMA to rethink its directive.

On Tuesday, they were congratulating each other.

They celebrated that night by eating pizza in their base camp, ordered from a recently re-opened Domino's.

"You can feel the electricity around here," Ventura said.


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BBond

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Just unbelievable. FEMA being told NOT to save lives.

Thank God there are still people who are willing to break rules when needed. Like the helicopter pilots who saved 100 people from rooftops and were reprimanded. I wonder if Lt. Frederick Fell will be admonished for breaking the "rules" to save another life?

 

conjur

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FEMA Official Says Agency Heads Ignored Warnings
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4849706
Morning Edition, September 16, 2005 · In the days before Hurricane Katrina hit land, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, FEMA Director Michael Brown and other top Homeland Security officials received e-mails on their blackberries warning that Katrina posed a dire threat to New Orleans and other areas. Yet one FEMA official tells NPR little was done.

Leo Bosner, an emergency management specialist at FEMA headquarters in Washington, D.C., is in charge of the unit that alerts officials of impending crises and manages the response. As early as Friday, Aug. 26, Bosner knew that Katrina could turn into a major emergency.

In daily e-mails -- known as National Situation Updates -- sent to Chertoff, Brown and others in the days before Katrina made landfall in the Gulf Coast, Bosner warned of its growing strength -- and of the particular danger the hurricane posed to New Orleans, much of which lies below sea level.

But Bosner says FEMA failed to organize the massive mobilization of National Guard troops and evacuation buses needed for a quick and effective relief response when Katrina struck. He says he and his colleagues at FEMA's D.C. headquarters were shocked by the lack of response.

"We could see all this going downhill," Bosner said, "but there was nothing we could do."

There was someone on Fresh Air just a bit ago who was saying he saw first-hand several incidences of FEMA turning back aid. If a truck wasn't on their clipboard, it was turned away. Civilians who's rescued people (some schizophrenic, some in pain, some diabetic, etc.) and brought them to dry land where FEMA officials were located were told that they would be taken to hospitals. This guy didn't trust them and came back hours later and the same people were still sitting there, unattended to.
 

conjur

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Ok, it was historian David Brinkley on Fresh Air. Here's the audio:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4851087
Fresh Air from WHYY, September 16, 2005 · Historian and author Douglas Brinkley teaches at Tulane University and was displaced by Hurricane Katrina.

He has since returned to New Orleans and begun to document the catastrophe by gathering oral histories -- he hopes to collect as many as 20,000 -- for a book, tentatively titled The Great Deluge.

Brinkley plans to donate all proceeds to the Historic New Orleans Collection, a museum and research center in the city's French Quarter.
 

zendari

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Originally posted by: conjur
If this is coming from the government and they have to sign a waiver that that's all they will get in aid (for losing homes, cars, jobs, family members, etc.) then this is a crock of SH*T!

Don't sign a crock of SH*T then.

FEMA now ordering crews to NOT break into homes despite the possibility people might still be alive but unable to answer knocks or calls
So the government should be able to break into homes without the proper warrants?
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: zendari
Originally posted by: conjur
If this is coming from the government and they have to sign a waiver that that's all they will get in aid (for losing homes, cars, jobs, family members, etc.) then this is a crock of SH*T!
Don't sign a crock of SH*T then.
Hmm...a little bit of aid and then nothing or nothing at all. Nice choice.

FEMA now ordering crews to NOT break into homes despite the possibility people might still be alive but unable to answer knocks or calls
So the government should be able to break into homes without the proper warrants?
They're not arresting someone. :roll: