FEMA HELD OFF REQUESTS FOR AID

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: BDawg
What the hell do you want? The President already cut his vacation short to help those people. Seriously, you act like he doesn't even care. He visited with them last Friday and thought hard about the situation. What have you done???

I want the same response as Florida got after Hurricane Frances last year. Help from the Feds was in place 24 hours after the storm.

 

[BDawg]

Originally posted by: HomerJS

Originally posted by: BDawg
What the hell do you want? The President already cut his vacation short to help those people. Seriously, you act like he doesn't even care. He visited with them last Friday and thought hard about the situation. What have you done???

I want the same response as Florida got after Hurricane Frances last year. Help from the Feds was in place 24 hours after the storm.

Well maybe the state of Louisiana should take the initiative and elect Neal to be their governor. Take some responsibility, people.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: yllus
You guys'll have to excuse poor BBond. This disaster and all the lives lost was his perfect opportunity to bash a President he doesn't like. Some people put partisanship behind them at a time like this and act like civil human beings, and some act like BBond. There's one in every crowd. *shrugs*

There's no excusing the P&N Troll Master and Team Leader known as BBond, head Anti-Bush propagandist.

Excuse me, but when WOULD be a good time to bash Bush. Really, just what would it take for it to be okay? A blowjob perhaps?

 

[Corn]

I enjoy watching liberals get all worked up into a frenzy. As the past 3 elections have shown, they've only hurt their own cause in driving away the more sedate and rational voter. You go BOBDN/BBond! :laugh:

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Corn
I enjoy watching liberals get all worked up into a frenzy. As the past 3 elections have shown, they've only hurt their own cause in driving away the more sedate and rational voter. You go BOBDN/BBond! :laugh:

And letting 10k people die after a hurricane will have NO effect, right? Keep telling yourself that.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: rudder
fVck you Bush!!!! A traffic light was out on my way to work and the drivers did not treat it as a four way stop!! Damn you to hell, Bush!!!!

Pal, you have WAY more that just a traffic light out.

You joke about one of the worst catastrophes in U.S. history while the people who were BOUND BY LAW to respond sat on their a$$es on vacation or doing God only knows what other than what they were supposed to be doing -- resposnding to a DECLARED national emergency and providing aid to the tens of thousands of American citizens in New Orleans and the surrounding region.

INSTEAD THEY IGNORED THEM FOR FIVE DAYS!

And you people still defend them. You are lower than pond scum.

They were not being ignored.

FEMA was already mobilizing;
Other Homeland security people were being pulled from their postiions and being trained and transfered to the NOLA area.

Departments had already anticipated that they would be needed and started putting thewheels in motion.

All you are doing is looking at the official paperwork; ignoring what the actual ground-pounders were doing.

By the way; oil and hazard waste spills on the US waterways are now able to happen without cleanup efforts being mobilized; people and ships in distress are also now more at risk; Why - US Coast Guard people are being deployed from their normal safety positions to the NOLA area.


Some people herewere complaining that the president was not on the ground supervising operations; ignoring the fact that he woudl be a bigger distraction to ongoing efforts to get a handle on the problem.

And then when he actually does show up; the same poeple complain that is was just a photo-op.


Unless people are going to be like Dave and put their feet where their mouth is; complaining about the way efforts are being done based on media accounts just shows a bias to destroy and not construct.

Complaining about the government that you do not like and wanting/insisting that it should be changed and crippled due to political justifications.

Then turn around and complain that the same government you hate is not being there to help those that could have helped themselves and/or were crippled by internal politics.

Do you really think that a socialist government would have been able to act any faster.

A large government is hampered by waste and levels of paperwork that are required to help those that want handouts.

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: rudder
fVck you Bush!!!! A traffic light was out on my way to work and the drivers did not treat it as a four way stop!! Damn you to hell, Bush!!!!

Pal, you have WAY more that just a traffic light out.

You joke about one of the worst catastrophes in U.S. history while the people who were BOUND BY LAW to respond sat on their a$$es on vacation or doing God only knows what other than what they were supposed to be doing -- resposnding to a DECLARED national emergency and providing aid to the tens of thousands of American citizens in New Orleans and the surrounding region.

INSTEAD THEY IGNORED THEM FOR FIVE DAYS!

And you people still defend them. You are lower than pond scum.

They were not being ignored.

FEMA was already mobilizing;
Other Homeland security people were being pulled from their postiions and being trained and transfered to the NOLA area.

Departments had already anticipated that they would be needed and started putting thewheels in motion.

All you are doing is looking at the official paperwork; ignoring what the actual ground-pounders were doing.

By the way; oil and hazard waste spills on the US waterways are now able to happen without cleanup efforts being mobilized; people and ships in distress are also now more at risk; Why - US Coast Guard people are being deployed from their normal safety positions to the NOLA area.


Some people herewere complaining that the president was not on the ground supervising operations; ignoring the fact that he woudl be a bigger distraction to ongoing efforts to get a handle on the problem.

And then when he actually does show up; the same poeple complain that is was just a photo-op.


Unless people are going to be like Dave and put their feet where their mouth is; complaining about the way efforts are being done based on media accounts just shows a bias to destroy and not construct.

Complaining about the government that you do not like and wanting/insisting that it should be changed and crippled due to political justifications.

Then turn around and complain that the same government you hate is not being there to help those that could have helped themselves and/or were crippled by internal politics.

Do you really think that a socialist government would have been able to act any faster.

A large government is hampered by waste and levels of paperwork that are required to help those that want handouts.

What we do know they didn't get there as fast as Florida. That would have given them around 24 hours to get people out before the levees broke.

 

[Corn]

Do you honestly believe that anyone callously "let" 10,000 people die? I believe that it'll be discovered most of the dead drowned immediately after the initial flooding. You explain to me how to evacuate every single individual who was hiding in their attic given the speed of the flooding.

This is a complex issue and thoughtful discussion requires complex and rational thinking and an open mind. Arguing with you would be a complete waste of my time. No one is completely blameless in this tragedy, and no one single entity is to blame either. There is much that I understand and accept regarding this tragedy, most of which makes me very disappointed. This is not enough for you and BOBDN/BBond. I understand. Please ignore any of my future posts, they most certainly will not be meant to engage you in any discussion.

 

[imported_Reck]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u...3/ids_photos_india_wl/ra2838142191.jpg

I found this picture to be hilarious. He took valuable resources away from saving people to serve his own twisted political agenda. How can anyone possibly be defending this man?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Corn
Do you honestly believe that anyone callously "let" 10,000 people die? I believe that it'll be discovered most of the dead drowned immediately after the initial flooding. You explain to me how to evacuate every single individual who was hiding in their attic given the speed of the flooding.

This is a complex issue and thoughtful discussion requires complex and rational thinking and an open mind. Arguing with you would be a complete waste of my time. No one is completely blameless in this tragedy, and no one single entity is to blame either. There is much that I understand and accept regarding this tragedy, most of which makes me very disappointed. This is not enough for you and BOBDN/BBond. I understand. Please ignore any of my future posts, they most certainly will not be meant to engage you in any discussion.

Whether they let them through callousness or incompotence, the result will be the same.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Reck
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u...3/ids_photos_india_wl/ra2838142191.jpg

I found this picture to be hilarious. He took valuable resources away from saving people to serve his own twisted political agenda. How can anyone possibly be defending this man?

See that little "R" after his name... that's all that matters.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: HomerJS
What we do know they didn't get there as fast as Florida. That would have given them around 24 hours to get people out before the levees broke.

Well, maybe 24 hrs. before the flooding got too bad. The Industrial Canal was overtopped Mon. night.

 

[Zebo]

Just proves the current governemnt is essentailly incompetant.

Just like the incompetence in planning the occupation of Iraq.

Incompetant exporting "democracy"

Incompetant electricity in Baghdad three year later.


The list goes on I'm going for my run... maybe you should too (stress reliver)

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: HomerJS
What we do know they didn't get there as fast as Florida. That would have given them around 24 hours to get people out before the levees broke.

Florida was a differnet animal.

Flooding and destroyed transportation structures make it much more difficult toget an exstimate of what the problems are (in detail) and the best way to attack. Jumping in with resources that can not be effectively utilized wastes time/effort and those resources.

Magic wands do not exist for large scale disasters and there are other areas that are hit worse than NO is. What has happened to the media reports on those.

Or is it the fact that people are willing to dig in and start pulling themselves up by their bootstraps rather than whining about their problems that does not attract media and sympathy.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: HomerJS
What we do know they didn't get there as fast as Florida. That would have given them around 24 hours to get people out before the levees broke.

Florida was a differnet animal.

Flooding and destroyed transportation structures make it much more difficult toget an exstimate of what the problems are (in detail) and the best way to attack. Jumping in with resources that can not be effectively utilized wastes time/effort and those resources.

Magic wands do not exist for large scale disasters and there are other areas that are hit worse than NO is. What has happened to the media reports on those.

Or is it the fact that people are willing to dig in and start pulling themselves up by their bootstraps rather than whining about their problems that does not attract media and sympathy.

Well, three Duke Univ. students made it to the N.O. Convention Center late last week in a front-wheel drive Hyundai. FEMA couldn't get there?

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: HomerJS
What we do know they didn't get there as fast as Florida. That would have given them around 24 hours to get people out before the levees broke.

Florida was a differnet animal.

Flooding and destroyed transportation structures make it much more difficult toget an exstimate of what the problems are (in detail) and the best way to attack. Jumping in with resources that can not be effectively utilized wastes time/effort and those resources.

Magic wands do not exist for large scale disasters and there are other areas that are hit worse than NO is. What has happened to the media reports on those.

Or is it the fact that people are willing to dig in and start pulling themselves up by their bootstraps rather than whining about their problems that does not attract media and sympathy.

Well, three Duke Univ. students made it to the N.O. Convention Center late last week in a front-wheel drive Hyundai. FEMA couldn't get there?

Hmm - that reminds me of the 20-year-old kid that drove the school bus from New Orleans to Houston, although he'd never driven a bus before. The mayor couldn't get his own citizens out?

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Corn
I enjoy watching liberals get all worked up into a frenzy. As the past 3 elections have shown, they've only hurt their own cause in driving away the more sedate and rational voter. You go BOBDN/BBond! :laugh:

And letting 10k people die after a hurricane will have NO effect, right? Keep telling yourself that.

No say... And I suppose the mayor (democrat) and the governor (democrat) where hard at work saving people. Oh wait, they were sitting on their asses.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Corn
I enjoy watching liberals get all worked up into a frenzy. As the past 3 elections have shown, they've only hurt their own cause in driving away the more sedate and rational voter. You go BOBDN/BBond! :laugh:

And letting 10k people die after a hurricane will have NO effect, right? Keep telling yourself that.

No say... And I suppose the mayor (democrat) and the governor (democrat) where hard at work saving people. Oh wait, they were sitting on their asses.

Uh, the Mayor was all over the place *working* his ass off. The Gov.? Not sure, but I know she was making calls to get assistance down.

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: EagleKeeper

Originally posted by: HomerJS
What we do know they didn't get there as fast as Florida. That would have given them around 24 hours to get people out before the levees broke.

Florida was a differnet animal.

Flooding and destroyed transportation structures make it much more difficult toget an exstimate of what the problems are (in detail) and the best way to attack. Jumping in with resources that can not be effectively utilized wastes time/effort and those resources.

Magic wands do not exist for large scale disasters and there are other areas that are hit worse than NO is. What has happened to the media reports on those.

Or is it the fact that people are willing to dig in and start pulling themselves up by their bootstraps rather than whining about their problems that does not attract media and sympathy.

You are right Florida - elephant, New Orleans - donkey. My point is immediately after the hurricane the city was accessible to FEMA before the levees broke if they had been there.

 

[AnyMal]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: AnyMal

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28

Originally posted by: Corn
I enjoy watching liberals get all worked up into a frenzy. As the past 3 elections have shown, they've only hurt their own cause in driving away the more sedate and rational voter. You go BOBDN/BBond! :laugh:

And letting 10k people die after a hurricane will have NO effect, right? Keep telling yourself that.

No say... And I suppose the mayor (democrat) and the governor (democrat) where hard at work saving people. Oh wait, they were sitting on their asses.

Uh, the Mayor was all over the place *working* his ass off. The Gov.? Not sure, but I know she was making calls to get assistance down.

The Gov? I'll remind you. Notice the date.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: ShadesOfGrey

Originally posted by: rudder
fVck you Bush!!!! A traffic light was out on my way to work and the drivers did not treat it as a four way stop!! Damn you to hell, Bush!!!!

:laugh: You think he should fire everyone at the DOT?

I pray to God that when the inevitable catastrophe hits YOUR region, we can all have a laugh at your expense. Very funny guy as the bodies float down the streets or rot in the attics of New Orleans DUE TO THE CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE OF THE PEOPLE YOU SUPPORT, "TEAM LEADER".

:roll: Sure, whatever you say troll.

No where was I laughing about the victims or disaster, so you can keep your fake outrage. However, I dare say that instead of trying invent disrespect in my statements, you look at your own statements and actions. You and your sidekick conjur have politicized this disaster to no end. THAT is disrespectful. THAT is disgusting. THAT sort of behaviour just shows how out of touch with reality you are.

Thank you. You said it well. No one is laughing at the disaster or the people it has affected. But people are using this event to specifically target Bush. If I was president, I would rely on the Federal Emergency Management Agency to deal with this disaster. If you are going to politicize this event why not go after the democratic governer of Louisiana. She heard all the dire warnings last year when the hurricane barely missed New Orleans. Where was her leadershiip during this crisis? Or how about the mayor of New Orleans? Same deal. Did he forget the fact that his city was made up of a lot of poor people who had no means to evacuate? I guess Clinton was lucky that no hurricanes hit New Orleans during his presidency. Stop politicizing, Bbond, there will be plenty of blame to go around but that is for the future. Why not just worry about the task at hand.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: HomerJS

What we do know they didn't get there as fast as Florida. That would have given them around 24 hours to get people out before the levees broke.

Incorrect. New Orleans was under water when I turned on the noon (eastern) news report on Monday. Katrina timeline. Granted the flooding issue wasn't fully understood or recognized right away. People seem to forget that it was Mississippi that took the brunt and most of the immediate damage of Katrina, not LA.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: BBond


"They were training to help the life-savers," Knocke said.

Aren't these people trained already? Isn't this their JOB??? DON'T THEY WORK FOR FEMA???!

What part of "volunteers" do you not understand? These people have jobs of their own, and, believe it or not, want to make sure they have jobs when they come back.

So i take it you think that volunteer FIRE FIGHTERS are trained only when a fire breaks out?

 

[HomerJS]

Originally posted by: Corn

Originally posted by: HomerJS

What we do know they didn't get there as fast as Florida. That would have given them around 24 hours to get people out before the levees broke.

Incorrect. New Orleans was under water when I turned on the noon (eastern) news report on Monday. Katrina timeline. Granted the flooding issue wasn't fully understood or recognized right away. People seem to forget that it was Mississippi that took the brunt and most of the immediate damage of Katrina, not LA.

Not quite. This timeline timeline along with others I've seen indicate the levee break occurred Tuesday. As far as any flooding immediately after the hurricane remember NOLA floods after a heavy thunderstorm, that's normal. The city was accessible by FEMA Monday before the levees broke Tuesday.

 

[conjur]

n/m...had my dates wrong