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FEMA.... could they be any more stupid

redhatlinux

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Watching MSNBC while channel surfing, the following came to light. The temporary trailers to house children for school has been awarded to a firm in Alaska (no bid contract) and FEMA is paying $30,000 over the price that the same trailers can be built locally in Mississippi. The response was the Alaskan company could build them faster. Forget that Mississippi NEEDS to put it's people to work. Then the issue that REALLY popped a fuse with me. FEMA is supplying tarps and paying $2500 per roof to install the tarps. I have worked in the 'storm' usiness for some time, hail damage and hurricane. The Insurance companies typically paid from about $100 to maybe $300 for tarping and we provided the tarp. To put this is perspective, in Mississippi, with relatively cheap labor, (our crews were all Hispanic), a 20 square house, (fairly small) could be completely re-roofed (tear-off, new felt and 25year shingle) for $2500 !!
Some body is making an absolute fortune at the tax payers expense. (End of steam blowing out of ears).
 
Originally posted by: Savij
What's the time difference? 3 days? a week? a month? 3 months?
For the temporary school buildings, MSNBC reported that the Mississippi company had half in stock already and the rest were on order/being built. So basically it was ~$20 million wasted to get half of the buildings a few weeks earlier.

Related tidbit: the Alaskan company had no experience in building temporary school buildings.

Related tidbit 2: the Alaskan company was paid to oversee/manage this work, so that could account for part of the extra $20 million.
 
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: Savij
What's the time difference? 3 days? a week? a month? 3 months?
For the temporary school buildings, MSNBC reported that the Mississippi company had half in stock already and the rest were on order/being built. So basically it was $20 million wasted for a few weeks.

Did they say a few weeks or are you assuming that the total order can be fulfilled in a few weeks?
 
Originally posted by: Savij
Did they say a few weeks or are you assuming that the total order can be fulfilled in a few weeks?
They implied a few weeks. Few could mean 3 or it could mean 7+. Who knows. It just isn't a well defined term. My thoughts on that were that they should have bought the half that was already ready, then looked elsewhere for the other half.
 
I feel pretty sure that the time difference was not really that important. I am not absolutely sure that the issues are all the same in Mississippi as they are in Louisianna, but they may not even have all the treachers available anyway. The big issue to me, cause I worked a lot in both states is that these are states with lots of labor, not alot of tax base and the jobs are very important to the locals. I actually worked a hurricane in Lafayette. Many of the people work off shore on the Oil rigs that have been damaged, or they worked in ship yards. These are NOT high tech states, they rely on working people for most of their revenue. Some absolutely great points were made by Senator Mary Landreau in the senate. Even faith based organizations have been destroyed, the favorite of George to dish out money to. I was in Lafeyetee when Landreau was running for this office and I was not that impressed with her, but her speeches to the senate have been excellent, she is representing her people in a fantastic way.
 
Cronyism. Period.

Business as usual in the most corrupt administration in the history of the United States of America.

Katrina work goes to officials who led Iraq effort

By Adam Entous Thu Oct 6, 2:04 PM ET

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Top officials who managed U.S. reconstruction projects in
Iraq have been hired by some of the same big companies that received those contracts and which are now involved in a rush of deals to rebuild after Hurricane Katrina.

A review of company statements and documents show that two former directors of the Projects and Contracting Office in Baghdad are now working -- either directly or indirectly -- with major Iraq contractors.

Top officials from the Army Corps of Engineers and the
Pentagon's inspector general office have also joined companies that are benefiting from Katrina contracts and subcontracts in what is expected to be one of the world's biggest reconstruction efforts, worth as much as $200 billion by some accounts.

Some lawmakers and watchdog groups complain that contractors like Shaw Group Inc., Bechtel National Inc., and Halliburton Co. subsidiary Kellogg Brown and Root are using inside connections to win lucrative deals.

Scott Amey, general counsel for the Project on Government Oversight, accused the government of "throwing money to the usual suspects" and warned that the "revolving door compounds the problem of the government steering contracts with little, or no competition, to non-responsible contractors."

House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi said on Thursday: "Under the Bush administration, the revolving door is spinning out of control;" Acting FEMA Director David Paulison said federal contracts for Hurricane Katrina recovery efforts that were handed out with little or no competition would be rebid.

FROM BAGHDAD TO BATON ROUGE

Pentagon audits released by Democrats in June showed $1.03 billion in "questioned" costs and $422 million in "unsupported" costs for Halliburton's work in Iraq. Vice President
Dick Cheney is a former head of the company.

About six months ago Charles Hess stepped down as head of the Projects and Contracting Office in Baghdad, which oversees multibillion-dollar reconstruction projects in Iraq. In September, after Katrina struck, he was hired by Shaw Group.

A Baton Rouge-based construction and engineering firm with more than $100 million in contracts in Iraq, Shaw has landed two separate $100 million federal contracts since Katrina hit, one with the Army Corps of Engineers and one with the
Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Shaw spokesman Chris Sammons said Hess -- who has held top jobs at both the Army Corps of Engineers and FEMA -- was hired to oversee "all aspects" of its contract with FEMA to set up temporary housing for people displaced by Katrina.

"Hess had no direct contact or involvement in our work in Iraq," said Sammons. "There is absolutely no conflict here."

He said Hess was hired because of his "experience and expertise" in the field of disaster response and reconstruction.

Shaw Group already employs Joe Allbaugh,
President George W. Bush's former campaign manager and FEMA director, as a lobbyist.

Another former head of the Projects and Contracting Office, David Nash, is now president of BE&K Government Group, which was recently hired by Kellogg Brown and Root and Bechtel National Inc., a unit of San Francisco-based Bechtel Corp., as a subcontractor for projects in Louisiana and Mississippi funded by the Defense Department and FEMA.

POSTWAR CONTRACTS

Kellogg Brown and Root and Bechtel won some of the biggest -- and most controversial -- postwar reconstruction contracts in Iraq.

"Although Dave served in a management position during the initial reconstruction effort in Iraq, he had no authority to award contracts. There is no connection between the hurricane-related work we are doing in Mississippi and Louisiana and Nash's involvement in Iraq," said Susan Wasley, a BE&K spokeswoman.

Another official from the Projects and Contracting Office, Amy Burns, joined Nash at BE&K Government Group earlier this year as vice president of business development, but Wasley said she resigned last month.

Nash also recently joined the board of defense contractor EOD Technology, which has contracts with the Contracting and Projects Office in Baghdad, as well as with the Army Corps of Engineers and the Navy.

Another top official involved in Iraq's reconstruction, former Army Corps of Engineers chief Robert Flowers, now runs the federal contracts subsidiary of HNTB, an engineering company recently hired by Louisiana as a subconsultant for emergency repairs to bridges over Lake Pontchartrain.

Under federal "revolving door" prohibitions, Flowers was not allowed to deal directly with Corps officials for a specified period on matters under his control when he was Chief of Engineers.

But that period has now passed, an HNTB spokesman said. "It is his job to help us win work," said the spokesman.

Flowers recently hired as vice president Robert Vining, who oversaw the Army Corps' $4.6 billion annual civil works program.

The Pentagon's inspector general, Joseph Schmitz, also recently stepped down to take a top job at the parent company for Blackwater USA, one of the largest private security firms in Iraq. Blackwater has also been active since Katrina.

A spokeswoman said Schmitz would abide by rules that temporarily restrict his involvement in matters related to the Pentagon.
 
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: TGS
Stolen from Whitehouse.gov:

And in the work of rebuilding, as many jobs as possible should go to the men and women who live in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama.
Text
So that is why ~90% is going outside those states?
Is that a real figure, or a "I'm pissed and feel like making things up to demonstrate my point" figure?
 
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Is that a real figure, or a "I'm pissed and feel like making things up to demonstrate my point" figure?
Its the 90% figure the news shows have been saying for a while now and I'm too lazy to look it up, so I put a '~' symbol in front of it.

Ok, here is one of many transcripts.
And the no-bid reconstruction. Who?s getting the Katrina contracts? We know this much, not companies in Louisiana, Mississippi, or Alabama, 90 percent going to other states.
...
OLBERMANN: Now, about the actual rebuilding, ?The Washington Post? reporting more than 90 percent of the prime federal contracts to reconstruct the Gulf Coast have gone to companies in the unaffected 47 states. And it?s not just because some of them might have made better bids for those jobs.

As our chief investigative correspondent, Lisa Myers, reports, much of this was done without bidding of any kind.
I never say anything on Anandtech without some sort of evidence that backs me up. The fact that I don't always post the evidence means I'm usually lazy. Of course, the news shows could in fact be wrong and I'm just the gullible messenger. I'm too lazy to look at the contracts myself and add them up. Its up to you to trust the Washington Post or not to trust it.
 
the Shaw group that whacko bbond referred to was democratic gov. blanco's biggest contributor. is it possible for both parties to be corrupt?
 
Originally posted by: slyedog
the Shaw group that whacko bbond referred to was democratic gov. blanco's biggest contributor. is it possible for both parties to be corrupt?

Is it possible for any political party to NOT be corrupt 🙁
 
Originally posted by: slyedog
the Shaw group that whacko bbond referred to was democratic gov. blanco's biggest contributor. is it possible for both parties to be corrupt?

I got your whacko swingin'.
 
You still have your head up the a$$ of the morons who got us into the mess we're in, and I'm the whacko.

You're priceless.

 
Repubs have long claimed that govt is incompetent and wasteful. Now that they're in charge of it, they obviously intend to make sure that's true, and to exploit the profit potential as much as possible... A sort of self-fulfilling prophecy

Apparently, from their POV, they see looting the treasury as a sort of amoral imperative- if they don't do it, then the next guy will, so there's no point in leaving anything behind...
 
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