Felony for sending kids to wrong school district?

[tk149]

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/02/08/general-us-school-registration-false-address_8298235.html

Ohio gov orders review in mom's school choice case
By JULIE CARR SMYTH , 02.08.11, 03:54 PM EST

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Ohio Gov. John Kasich (KAY'-sik) has asked the Parole Board to determine whether the felony conviction of a woman who used her father's address to enroll her children in a neighboring school district was an appropriate punishment.

[more info at website...]

 

[AznAnarchy99]

It's not the system that is messed up. Why would you want to let kids in from a crap disctrict? Those kids could be part of the problem. The parent(s) doing the transfer may have their childs best interest at heart, but it's the kid that ultimately has to be good.

I say we need to let the thugs, gang banger wannabe's ect that just show up because they have to, go. Let them fail, let them not come to school. They are doing nothing but dragging the rest of the students down.
They don't want to be there, they're not going to use any information they learned there. All they need to do is know how to hustle and deal drugs.

So you're going to tell a parent that their child is fucked anyways so just let them rot in the streets instead of trying to help them by doing whats best for them to get them out of the situation.

This is school that you're talking about here. A child makes mistakes and you try to guide them out of it. Your reasoning does not make sense at all.

My school district has the worst graduation rate out of all the districts around here something like 60%. The Irvine district is about 99%. You tell me as a parent where do you want your child going to school.

 

[0roo0roo]

So you're going to tell a parent that their child is fucked anyways so just let them rot in the streets instead of trying to help them by doing whats best for them to get them out of the situation.

This is school that you're talking about here. A child makes mistakes and you try to guide them out of it. Your reasoning does not make sense at all.

My school district has the worst graduation rate out of all the districts around here something like 60%. The Irvine district is about 99%. You tell me as a parent where do you want your child going to school.

chicken or egg though, the worse school many times is due to lousier neighborhood and worse parents. the teachers could be the same and still the children could turn out different.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

chicken or egg though, the worse school many times is due to lousier neighborhood and worse parents. the teachers could be the same and still the children could turn out different.

So you would fault the mother in the story for wanting to get her children out of the lousy city? And it could also be that the best teachers wanted to go to the better school for a higher wage. The fact is that the districts are split into cities and sadly the wealth distribution between the cities are significant.

This is my personal experience. Saddleback High School in Santa Ana has lost ALL of their good teachers as they have ALL moved to better high schools that have offered more money and with an administration that cares about them. How do I know? Many of them were my teachers. The only teachers that remain at Saddleback HS are the ones that dont give a shit, and show movies all day in class because it doesnt matter to them. They cant get fired because they have tenure. Century HS in Santa Ana had to be taken over by the state because they were never meeting any requirements. My teachers themselves said that they would never send their kids to the Santa Ana USD. The irony is that the city's motto is "Education First".

The fault doesnt lie with only the students and the families, but to a variety of other things such as the administrations and the district themselves. Why should we stick to the status quo and have all the people who got the short end of the stick be stuck in the ghetto while those who got the long end get to have an education?

Irvine, an affluent white/asian city that was also voted the safest city in America has a 98% graduation rate.

Santa Ana, a predominantly latino city that is low to middle low class, has a 70% graduation rate, which also recently made their graduation requirements lower so more students could graduate.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/feb/08/local/me-graduation8

 

[classy]

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/02/08/general-us-school-registration-false-address_8298235.html

A couple of things. If the school tried to work it out first, then she was dumb and needed to be brought to court. But seriously, a felony conviction, which essentially ruins her entire life because she lied to send her kids to different school is way way over the top. Even though she may have been stubborn, a simple court enforcement and fine would have been sufficient. Man we got people who have done some seriously bad crimes pleaded to misdemeanors. The judge who gave the sentence, even though he suspended most of it was an idiot.

 

[SP33Demon]

A couple of things. If the school tried to work it out first, then she was dumb and needed to be brought to court. But seriously, a felony conviction, which essentially ruins her entire life because she lied to send her kids to different school is way way over the top. Even though she may have been stubborn, a simple court enforcement and fine would have been sufficient. Man we got people who have done some seriously bad crimes pleaded to misdemeanors. The judge who gave the sentence, even though he suspended most of it was an idiot.

I think the point of the felony was to ensure that she never teaches, since she refused to play nicely with the school and voluntarily remove her children when she was caught. Even when caught she felt that stealing from the school was still ok. I see no problem with the felony charge.

 

[Onita]

Since this story happens to be very close to me, and I haven't read all of the thread, I'll pipe in some:

They've been trying to come to an agreement since I think 2004. Out of 40 or so families who did the same as her, she is the ONLY person who wouldn't come to an agreement. She's been sent many bills, only to ignore them or claim she couldn't/wouldn't pay, for different reasons, including claiming to be DEPLOYED.

She claims that she was trying to "better her kids" or whatever, but of all her released phone calls from jail, she's more often trying to figure out how to get money out of this saga, including book/movie deals and "getting her an NBA player" lol.

We've now get Al Sharpton coming in to harp on her. Her father, also being tried, has been barred from filing any more legal proceedings in the area, due to the copious amount of frivolous lawsuits he has filed claiming race.

This has nothing to do with her race, contrary to the first few posts which seem to think so. Its not a "rich white area" either. The only reason this became such a huge race issue is a: because of her and b: because the local media chose to report only the facts that made it seem such.

http://www.akronnewsnow.com/news/it...&title=ANALYSIS_Williams-Bolar_For_The_Record

Honestly, this is not a person that deserves a teaching certificate.

 

[SP33Demon]

Since this story happens to be very close to me, and I haven't read all of the thread, I'll pipe in some:

They've been trying to come to an agreement since I think 2004. Out of 40 or so families who did the same as her, she is the ONLY person who wouldn't come to an agreement. She's been sent many bills, only to ignore them or claim she couldn't/wouldn't pay, for different reasons, including claiming to be DEPLOYED.

She claims that she was trying to "better her kids" or whatever, but of all her released phone calls from jail, she's more often trying to figure out how to get money out of this saga, including book/movie deals and "getting her an NBA player" lol.

We've now get Al Sharpton coming in to harp on her. Her father, also being tried, has been barred from filing any more legal proceedings in the area, due to the copious amount of frivolous lawsuits he has filed claiming race.

This has nothing to do with her race, contrary to the first few posts which seem to think so. Its not a "rich white area" either. The only reason this became such a huge race issue is a: because of her and b: because the local media chose to report only the facts that made it seem such.

http://www.akronnewsnow.com/news/it...&title=ANALYSIS_Williams-Bolar_For_The_Record

Honestly, this is not a person that deserves a teaching certificate.

Yep, lock her up and throw away the key. POS

 

[Onita]

Yep, lock her up and throw away the key. POS

Yes, that's what I said. :\

 

[HeXen]

in my area, its a $2000 fine. If it was perfectly legal and fine, then you would have certain schools that all parents around would be sending their kids to due to it being a better school or whatever the reason, then you have 1 school within a 100 miles thats overcrowded and the rest have too few to none.
i guess, i dunno

 

[classy]

I think the point of the felony was to ensure that she never teaches, since she refused to play nicely with the school and voluntarily remove her children when she was caught. Even when caught she felt that stealing from the school was still ok. I see no problem with the felony charge.

Yeah OK. 🙄

 

[alkemyst]

I think the point of the felony was to ensure that she never teaches, since she refused to play nicely with the school and voluntarily remove her children when she was caught. Even when caught she felt that stealing from the school was still ok. I see no problem with the felony charge.

QFT...fuck her. It's one thing when people today think they are above the law, but it's a whole other when they get called to the floor finally and still go FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

 

[alkemyst]

in my area, its a $2000 fine. If it was perfectly legal and fine, then you would have certain schools that all parents around would be sending their kids to due to it being a better school or whatever the reason, then you have 1 school within a 100 miles thats overcrowded and the rest have too few to none.
i guess, i dunno

And the sad part is those schools would probably dumb down with the outside enrollers.

I don't know what school had a field trip today at Lion Country Safari, but it was 6th grade tops.

many had mohawks, many were wearing 'sliders' (fortunately their parents make them wear real shorts and then underwear. The girls were dressed in tight jeans and tops, major makeup and jewelry. The teachers would keep asking them to do something and they'd answer "screw u old lady" or just ignore her.

Sad part is when the animals were all brought out they reverted to real kids.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

HAHAHA, al sharpton to the rescue.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/activist_sharpton_takes_up_ohio_QqgrEgX1JTT6UCbcd6kJGN

 

[Duder1no]

Wow I knew that America loves incarcerating its citizens as much as possible, but this is outrageous. Undoubtedly there will be plenty of people here to support the state in its inconceivably irrational act of stupidity.

I agree.

 

[Onita]

I agree.

Well, that's because the both of you are idiots.

 

[Onita]

HAHAHA, al sharpton to the rescue.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/activist_sharpton_takes_up_ohio_QqgrEgX1JTT6UCbcd6kJGN

A little more in depth local article:
http://www.ohio.com/news/top_stories/116456823.html

Civil rights activist Rev. Al Sharpton said equality of education and equality of safety for all students is the real issue in the case of the Akron woman convicted of a felony for enrolling her children in a neighboring school district.

Sharpton spoke to a crowd of about 500 people at the Mountain of the Lord Fellowship church on Copley Road at the National Action Network No Justice, No Peace Rally.

''In 1954, the moderate civil rights movement began picking up steam because of education, the Brown vs. the Board of Education'' ruling by the U.S. Supreme Court that barred segregated schools, Sharpton said.

''We talk so much about the civil rights era that we forget it started because parents wanted their children to have an equal education,'' he said. ''The civil rights movement was not about sharing the same toilet or getting a cup of coffee at Woolworths.

''It was about some conscientious black parents who wanted the same access to information as everyone else in America. Someone decided that those kids didn't fit and they fought their case all the way up to the Supreme Court.''

Kelley Williams-Bolar spent nine days in jail for falsifying documents to enroll her daughters in the Copley-Fairlawn School District using her father's address.

The Ohio Parole Board is reviewing her case.

Sharpton said the problem is that, ''Too many of us adjust rather than having society adjust to us. We should not accept anything less than anyone else.

''The issue is about equal education and equal protection. I'm here about a bigger picture.''

Where you live should not have any bearing on how you are treated, he said.

Sharpton said Kelley Williams-Bolar's punishment didn't fit the crime.

''I'm not a lawyer but I do have common sense. What didn't make sense to me is with all the crime out there, people selling drugs, people defrauding people with phony bank loans and predatory mortgages, why would someone take the time and money to investigate her children?'' he said. ''We ought to be saluting the woman for trying to make sure her children were educated in a safe environment away from bullies and away from crime.''

He said blacks still have to deal with Jim Crow, but ''nowadays we are fighting James Crow Jr. Esquire, a little more refined, a little more polished.''

Sharpton said the new bigotry is low expectations of black children.

''We have to raise our expectations to what we want them to be,'' he said.

He told the audience that people need to stand up for causes.

''You are defined in life by what you do. The hardest job of a black preacher is to say the eulogy of someone irrelevant — to hallucinate a life that the person never lived.

''How you define yourself is how you make your mark in life.''

Sharpton said there are too many people with titles and no functions, who are all talk and take no action.

''There are too many ministers that don't minister, too many missionaries with no mission and too many trustees who can't be trusted.''

The Rev. Phyllis DeHart of Akron Loving Disciples Church of God on the Move said she came to the church in support of Williams-Bolar, who wasn't at the church.

''Truly, her sentencing didn't match with what she did. She's done what a lot of other parents did, she just got caught,'' she said. ''Safety is an issue. She is trying to make something of herself.''

Yes, he compares her situation to Browns v. BoE.

 

[RedCOMET]

I know in some states, you can send your kid out of district, but do to so requires the parents to fill out paper work on time, the school district to have space, and for the parents to pay the tuition fee for that school district. Falsifying records in order to not pay the tuition bill could be fraud.

 

[Onita]

I know in some states, you can send your kid out of district, but do to so requires the parents to fill out paper work on time, the school district to have space, and for the parents to pay the tuition fee for that school district. Falsifying records in order to not pay the tuition bill could be fraud.

Around here, some schools are open enrollment, some are not. Copley is not, however, you can "tuition" to attend if you don't live in the school district. She ignored all of the tuition bills, after falsifying records claiming to live there, even though she signed a statement saying she knew she would get billed if she didn't live in district. /end run on sentence.

 

[alkemyst]

Around here, some schools are open enrollment, some are not. Copley is not, however, you can "tuition" to attend if you don't live in the school district. She ignored all of the tuition bills, after falsifying records claiming to live there, even though she signed a statement saying she knew she would get billed if she didn't live in district. /end run on sentence.

QFT...to MikeGayner, that is the point.

Another tidbit to this and why I came back here tonight. I live next to our middle school. It used to be really nice, now even the grass is dying because kids steal the sprinkler heads. They also love pushing bottles and chip bags into fences.

Today, what I imagine is the classic "take care of a baby" lesson, I see a bunch of kids laughing and dragging the baby along the road.