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Feinstein snubbed at CA Democratic Primary

It is a big deal. Liberals in the party have told the establishment centrist that they want their party back and are going to try to take it back. Whether de Leon can beat Feinstein is another question.
 
Yeah this is more a statement to her than anything else. It’s unlikly she will lose and the seat is safe no matter who they back.

They want Feinstein to be a more vocal opponent to Trump. This is just a wake up call.
 
She is 84 and a cautious moderate.

Does that describe California? Do we really want 84 year olds running the country?
 
IronWing said:
Feinstein isn't out yet. The Dems in California figure the seat is safe no matter who they put up for the general. They might be wrong though.
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Although a highly contested race may serve to disillusion a significant number of voters, this is a very strong Democratic district and a successful Republican challenge for the seat is unlikely imo.
 
Feinstein has been more of a big deal with Republicans. The only people I ever hear calling her an icon are republicans when they put together their chain emails of "Democratic villains".
While I can't speak for Californians I will say that at 84 years old 25+ years if she were to retire I wouldn't give a crap.
She's a Senator.
Senators are not lifetime appointments.
When she goes, it will be another west coast democrat that slides in there.
 
I am not a Californian, and while I applauded her for standing up to banana republican corruption seeking to undermine our democracy and the rule of law, it's time for her generation to retire.
 
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She needs to go. She gives the bothsiders too much ammo. She has horrible positions on many policies and I am not some progressive purist. She occasionally gets it right but the negatives outweigh the positives as far as I can tell.
 
spacejamz said:
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-...ocratic-party-endorsement-20180226-story.html

Her opponent received 54% of the vote while famed party icon only received 37%...The difference in campaign funds is pretty staggering as well...He started the year with $360K while she had $10M...

I guess the resident liberals here will explain why this isn't a big deal...
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What's fascinating is that you're trying to portray this as if it's causing a serious crisis. This is a safe Democratic district, especially in an era when Trump and the Republicans are so bad that their safe districts turn blue. The question is not whether the Dems are in trouble in that district; it's whether or not a Feinstein replacement would be as good as or (hopefully) better than she is.
 
Commodus said:
What's fascinating is that you're trying to portray this as if it's causing a serious crisis. This is a safe Democratic district, especially in an era when Trump and the Republicans are so bad that their safe districts turn blue. The question is not whether the Dems are in trouble in that district; it's whether or not a Feinstein replacement would be as good as or (hopefully) better than she is.
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I never said the democrats were in trouble in the district or implied her seat would turn red...Hilarious you assumed that though...Pretty sure the article implies the dissension in the party ranks...If you don't think that is a crisis, than I guess all is good....
 
spacejamz said:
The LA Times article I quoted in the OP referred to her as a party icon...I would assume the LA Times leans left...
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I would say she is a party icon in that she is well known throughout the country. She is not particularly popular with her constituents though and hasn't been for quite some time as she's significantly more conservative than her state. If someone's out of touch and is too far to the right for the people they represent a primary challenge shouldn't be the most surprising thing.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dianne-feinsteins-senate-seat-may-no-longer-be-a-sure-thing/
 
fskimospy said:
I would say she is a party icon in that she is well known throughout the country. She is not particularly popular with her constituents though and hasn't been for quite some time as she's significantly more conservative than her state. If someone's out of touch and is too far to the right for the people they represent a primary challenge shouldn't be the most surprising thing.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/dianne-feinsteins-senate-seat-may-no-longer-be-a-sure-thing/
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Only in CA would Feinstein be considered too far right.

She is a pragmatic left of center Senator. People complain about gerrymandering, but in CA for most elections, the electorate gets to choose between the Democrat and the Democrat.

Eventually, some of those Democrats would inevitably need to build a coalition that includes some conservative positions.

Democrats like Feinstein and Davis are the wall preventing the lunatics from running the asylum.

In CA, what we will see emerge are the new political fault lines once the GOP brand of conservatism dies. I can see a pragmatic, socially liberal but fiscally conservative coalition forming in CA.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Only in CA would Feinstein be considered too far right.

She is a pragmatic left of center Senator. People complain about gerrymandering, but in CA for most elections, the electorate gets to choose between the Democrat and the Democrat.

Eventually, some of those Democrats would inevitably need to build a coalition that includes some conservative positions.

Democrats like Feinstein and Davis are the wall preventing the lunatics from running the asylum.

In CA, what we will see emerge are the new political fault lines once the GOP brand of conservatism dies. I can see a pragmatic, socially liberal but fiscally conservative coalition forming in CA.
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Your concern trolling is noted.
 
Jaskalas said:
She's a fossil, along with most of the DNC leadership. It's a good thing for the Democrats to finally make the generational leap.
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she's #8 in seniority in the senate, its really really really hard to give up that kind of power

california would go from 8&96 to 90something to 90something
 
In 2012 I guess it was I voted for her Republican opponent because I would rather have my war mongers in the appropriate party. I hope the progressive wins and I will vote to try to make that happen.
 
Starbuck1975 said:
Only in CA would Feinstein be considered too far right.

She is a pragmatic left of center Senator. People complain about gerrymandering, but in CA for most elections, the electorate gets to choose between the Democrat and the Democrat.
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Well I think any reasonable person would agree that the CA primary system is by far the most fair, assuming reflecting the will of the voters is your goal and not electoral welfare for a preferred party. If it ends up being a choice between the Democrat and the Democrat that means the Republican with the most votes ended up in third place or lower. If anything it's far more fair than a primary system where both parties field a general election candidate no matter what. I mean why should the person with the third most votes go to the general election over the person with the second most votes simply because they have the right letter after their name? Wouldn't that be massively unfair to the voters?

Also, Feinstein would be considered too far right in a number of states, I would imagine as she's not a particularly liberal Democrat. Her lifetime DW-NOMINATE score is somewhere around a -.280, which makes her more conservative than the average elected Democratic senator.

Eventually, some of those Democrats would inevitably need to build a coalition that includes some conservative positions.

Democrats like Feinstein and Davis are the wall preventing the lunatics from running the asylum.

In CA, what we will see emerge are the new political fault lines once the GOP brand of conservatism dies.
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It's funny that you think that because in California their new primary system is a much better bulwark against the 'lunatics' running the asylum than the primary systems you likely prefer. In primaries generally only the hard core activists vote, meaning that the more extreme a candidate is, often the better. Then once the 'lunatic' wins, party identification is usually enough to carry them to victory no matter how nutty their positions are. (with some exceptions. I'm looking at you, Roy Moore.) In a jungle primary like California has there's a place for more moderate candidates to win the second spot or even the first with cross party appeal!

If you've ever wondered why Republican politicians seem to be so extreme and so crazy compared to Democratic ones it's because conservative activists have been leveraging primary challenges like this for years and years now and the Democrats haven't nearly as much.
 
Doc Savage Fan said:
Feinstein is ranked here as the 14th most liberal Senator. Dems continue to move further to the left in CA.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/report-cards/2016/senate/ideology
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Using methodology that tracks actual votes (ie: the things that matter) as opposed to bill sponsorship she was the 38th most liberal senator in the 113th congress, the most recent data available. (rank 39 because they include the president as well)

http://k7moa.com/SENATE_SORT113.HTM

California is a liberal state and Feinstein isn't a particularly liberal senator. This isn't that surprising.
 
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