Feinstein comment on U.S. drones likely to embarrass Pakistan

BuckNaked

Diamond Member
Oct 9, 1999
4,211
0
76
Text

Feinstein comment on U.S. drones likely to embarrass Pakistan
The Predator planes that launch missile strikes against militants are based in Pakistan, the senator says. That suggests a much deeper relationship with the U.S. than Islamabad would like to admit.
By Greg Miller
February 13, 2009
Reporting from Washington -- A senior U.S. lawmaker said Thursday that unmanned CIA Predator aircraft operating in Pakistan are flown from an air base in that country, a revelation likely to embarrass the Pakistani government and complicate its counter-terrorism collaboration with the United States.

The disclosure by Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.), chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, marked the first time a U.S. official had publicly commented on where the Predator aircraft patrolling Pakistan take off and land.

At a hearing, Feinstein expressed surprise over Pakistani opposition to the campaign of Predator-launched CIA missile strikes against Islamic extremist targets along Pakistan's northwestern border.

"As I understand it, these are flown out of a Pakistani base," she said.

The basing of the pilotless aircraft in Pakistan suggests a much deeper relationship with the United States on counter-terrorism matters than has been publicly acknowledged. Such an arrangement would be at odds with protests lodged by officials in Islamabad, the capital, and could inflame anti-American sentiment in the country.

The CIA declined to comment, but former U.S. intelligence officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information, confirmed that Feinstein's account was accurate.

Philip J. LaVelle, a spokesman for Feinstein, said her comment was based solely on previous news reports that Predators were operated from bases near Islamabad.

"We strongly object to Sen. Feinstein's remarks being characterized as anything other than a reference" to an article that appeared last March in the Washington Post, LaVelle said. Feinstein did not refer to newspaper accounts during the hearing.

Many counter-terrorism experts have assumed that the aircraft take off from U.S. military installations in Afghanistan and are remotely piloted from locations in the United States. Experts said the disclosure could create political problems for the government in Islamabad, which is considered relatively weak.

The attacks are extremely unpopular in Pakistan, in part because of the high number of civilian casualties inflicted in dozens of strikes.

The use of Predators armed with Hellfire antitank missiles has emerged as perhaps the most important tool of the U.S. in its effort to attack Al Qaeda in its sanctuaries along the Pakistani-Afghan border. A New Year's Day strike killed two senior Al Qaeda operatives who were suspected of involvement in the bombing of Islamabad's Marriott Hotel.

They were among at least eight senior Al Qaeda figures reportedly killed in Predator strikes over the last seven months as part of a stepped-up missile campaign.

Bruce Hoffman, a terrorism expert at Georgetown University, said Feinstein's comments put Pakistan's government on the spot.

"If accurate, what this says is that Pakistani involvement, or at least acquiescence, has been much more extensive than has previously been known," he said. "It puts the Pakistani government in a far more difficult position [in terms of] its credibility with its own people. Unfortunately it also has the potential to threaten Pakistani-American relations."

As chairwoman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Feinstein is privy to classified details of U.S. counter-terrorism efforts. The CIA does not publicly acknowledge a campaign against Pakistan-based extremists using remotely piloted planes, making Feinstein's comment all the more unusual.

Feinstein's disclosure came during testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee by U.S. Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair on the nation's security threats. Blair did not respond directly to Feinstein's remark, except to say that Pakistan was "sorting out" its cooperation with the United States.

Pakistani officials have long denied that they have even granted the U.S. permission to fly the Predator planes over Pakistani territory, let alone to operate the aircraft from within the country.

The civilian leadership that took over from an unpopular former general, Pervez Musharraf, last year, has gone to significant lengths to distance itself from the Predator strikes.

The Pakistani government regularly lodges diplomatic protests against the strikes as a violation of its sovereignty, and officials said the subject was raised with Richard C. Holbrooke, a newly appointed U.S. envoy to the region, who completed his first visit to the country Thursday.

But a former CIA official familiar with the Predator operations said Pakistan's government secretly approves of the flights because of the growing militant threat.

Feinstein prefaced her comment about the Predator basing Thursday by noting that Holbrooke "ran into considerable concern about the use of the Predator strikes in the FATA areas," a reference to what Pakistan calls its Federally Administered Tribal Area along the border with Afghanistan.

Many Pakistanis believe that the civilian leadership, despite public anger, has continued Musharraf's policy of giving the United States tacit permission to carry out the strikes.

The CIA has been working to step up its presence in Pakistan in recent years. It has deployed as many as 200 people to the country, one of its largest overseas operations besides Iraq, current and former agency officials have estimated. That contingent works alongside other U.S. operatives who specialize in electronic communications and spy satellites.

In his prepared testimony Thursday, Blair said that Al Qaeda had "lost significant parts of its command structure since 2008."

greg.miller@latimes.com

Times staff writer Laura King in Istanbul, Turkey, contributed to this report.

Pretty serious lapse of judgment for letting something like this out... probably have serious implications with how this program is run and for the government of Pakistan...
 

dphantom

Diamond Member
Jan 14, 2005
4,763
327
126
She is an idiot. Of course many of the missions are out of Pakistan. Look at a freaking map and you can figure that out to get target coverage you need close bases. And for many areas, that is out of Pakistan.
 

Genx87

Lifer
Apr 8, 2002
41,091
513
126
What a dumbass. What next, tell them where in Pakistan they are based and what hours they fly?
 

palehorse

Lifer
Dec 21, 2005
11,521
0
76
Feinstein should be removed from the Intelligence Committee as soon as possible. This isn't her first "unintentional disclosure," and it won't be her last. She should never have been given a seat at that table to begin with...
 

The Green Bean

Diamond Member
Jul 27, 2003
6,506
7
81
Pakistani politicians and the army are so spineless. They should all be hanged. Oh well we did not learn from British colonization. It started small. Just like this. Next they will have thousands of troops to defend these bases and achieve strategic objectives in the name of self-defense.
 

palehorse

Lifer
Dec 21, 2005
11,521
0
76
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Pakistani politicians and the army are so spineless. They should all be hanged. Oh well we did not learn from British colonization. It started small. Just like this. Next they will have thousands of troops to defend these bases and achieve strategic objectives in the name of self-defense.
Didn't you recently state that you welcome the drone strikes against AQ and Taliban?! oh, wait...that's right. You keep changing your mind depending on which way the wind is blowing down your street, or the latest sermon from your Imam. I'm not sure you've ever stuck to a conviction for more than a week or two... :roll:
 

theeedude

Lifer
Feb 5, 2006
35,787
6,197
126
Oh, noes, she embarrassed Pakistan, now they will have to admit that they are helping us fight terrorism. How embarrassing is that?
 

The Green Bean

Diamond Member
Jul 27, 2003
6,506
7
81
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Pakistani politicians and the army are so spineless. They should all be hanged. Oh well we did not learn from British colonization. It started small. Just like this. Next they will have thousands of troops to defend these bases and achieve strategic objectives in the name of self-defense.
Didn't you recently state that you welcome the drone strikes against AQ and Taliban?! oh, wait...that's right. You keep changing your mind depending on which way the wind is blowing down your street, or the latest sermon from your Imam. I'm not sure you've ever stuck to a conviction for more than a week or two... :roll:

1. Stop making false assumptions. I don't listen to any Imam.

2. I only support the drone attacks because the stupid government is too weak to do anything. If they were Pakistani drones it would have been "acceptable." American drones operation from Pakistan even if they do good are unacceptable. Zardari should be hanged for high treason. He's trying to make money from US aid while killing his own people.
 

palehorse

Lifer
Dec 21, 2005
11,521
0
76
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Pakistani politicians and the army are so spineless. They should all be hanged. Oh well we did not learn from British colonization. It started small. Just like this. Next they will have thousands of troops to defend these bases and achieve strategic objectives in the name of self-defense.
Didn't you recently state that you welcome the drone strikes against AQ and Taliban?! oh, wait...that's right. You keep changing your mind depending on which way the wind is blowing down your street, or the latest sermon from your Imam. I'm not sure you've ever stuck to a conviction for more than a week or two... :roll:

1. Stop making false assumptions. I don't listen to any Imam.

2. I only support the drone attacks because the stupid government is too weak to do anything. If they were Pakistani drones it would have been "acceptable." American drones operation from Pakistan even if they do good are unacceptable. Zardari should be hanged for high treason.
Does Pakistan have capable drones of their own that I'm not aware of?

If the strikes against AQ and the Taliban are acceptable and productive, then who gives a fuck who pulls the trigger?!

We're in this together, right? We're allies, right? We're ALL fighting against terrorism, right? We all seek peace and want to be rid of AQ and the other rerrorists, right?

WTF is the point of an "alliance" if we can't pool/share resources in a unified effort to accomplish our goals?!

One team, one fight. Join us -- be a true and trustworthy ally -- or get the fuck out of our way...
 

The Green Bean

Diamond Member
Jul 27, 2003
6,506
7
81
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Pakistani politicians and the army are so spineless. They should all be hanged. Oh well we did not learn from British colonization. It started small. Just like this. Next they will have thousands of troops to defend these bases and achieve strategic objectives in the name of self-defense.
Didn't you recently state that you welcome the drone strikes against AQ and Taliban?! oh, wait...that's right. You keep changing your mind depending on which way the wind is blowing down your street, or the latest sermon from your Imam. I'm not sure you've ever stuck to a conviction for more than a week or two... :roll:

1. Stop making false assumptions. I don't listen to any Imam.

2. I only support the drone attacks because the stupid government is too weak to do anything. If they were Pakistani drones it would have been "acceptable." American drones operation from Pakistan even if they do good are unacceptable. Zardari should be hanged for high treason.
Does Pakistan have capable drones of their own that I'm not aware of?

If the strikes against AQ and the Taliban are acceptable and productive, then who gives a fuck who pulls the trigger?!

We're in this together, right? We're allies, right? We're ALL fighting against terrorism, right? We all seek peace and want to be rid of AQ and the other rerrorists, right?

WTF is the point of an "alliance" if we can't pool/share resources in a unified effort to accomplish our goals?!

One team, one fight. Join us -- be a true and trustworthy ally -- or get the fuck out of our way...

First. If you were really an ally; you wouldn't be saying "with or against." We may not have drones but we can used maned aircraft. The same should be used to shoot down USA drones. That would be best. But since we don't have the balls; we have to settle for 2nd best.

Pakistanis are not your allies. The spineless government is your lap dog however and should be ousted.
 

Deeko

Lifer
Jun 16, 2000
30,213
12
81
Originally posted by: The Green Bean

First. If you were really an ally; you wouldn't be saying "with or against." We may not have drones but we can used maned aircraft. The same should be used to shoot down USA drones. That would be best. But since we don't have the balls; we have to settle for 2nd best.

Pakistanis are not your allies. The spineless government is your lap dog however and should be ousted.

You're a fool if you blindly ally yourself with someone with no possibly exceptions. If Pakistan isn't doing the job controlling terrorism in their country, we will. Its as simple as that.
 

DealMonkey

Lifer
Nov 25, 2001
13,136
1
0
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: The Green Bean
Pakistani politicians and the army are so spineless. They should all be hanged. Oh well we did not learn from British colonization. It started small. Just like this. Next they will have thousands of troops to defend these bases and achieve strategic objectives in the name of self-defense.
Didn't you recently state that you welcome the drone strikes against AQ and Taliban?! oh, wait...that's right. You keep changing your mind depending on which way the wind is blowing down your street, or the latest sermon from your Imam. I'm not sure you've ever stuck to a conviction for more than a week or two... :roll:

1. Stop making false assumptions. I don't listen to any Imam.

2. I only support the drone attacks because the stupid government is too weak to do anything. If they were Pakistani drones it would have been "acceptable." American drones operation from Pakistan even if they do good are unacceptable. Zardari should be hanged for high treason. He's trying to make money from US aid while killing his own people.

Hey, if it helps, we can always slap a Pakistani flag on the side of the Predators and write "courtesy of Asif Ali ZARDARI" on the side of each Hellfire, if it'll shut you up about it.