Feinstein admits gun control unlikely to get passed

[JulesMaximus]

He's right. I suggest you heed the advice of a metaphor- "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." - Abraham Lincoln

No reason to be a complete dick... well, maybe in your case it is unavoidable.

I haven't bought an assault rifle in CA since the mid 90s. It does seem like a stupid law though and it didn't seem to affect the LAX shooter's choice in weapons much did it?

 

[destey]

Gun laws aren't that strict here. There are states with far more draconian laws than CA has.

ROFLOLOLOLOL

You have zero credibility.

 

[JulesMaximus]

ROFLOLOLOLOL

You have zero credibility.

Hawaii and New York have way stricter gun laws.

Man, gun owners sure are a bunch of dicks...

 

[Venix]

Semantics. It doesn't matter what you call an assault rifle, what the law calls an assault rifle is what matters.

The law calls them assault weapons, not assault rifles. Your semi-automatic MAK 90 is not an assault rifle by any definition, legal or otherwise.

 

[JulesMaximus]

The law calls them assault weapons, not assault rifles. Your semi-automatic MAK 90 is not an assault rifle by any definition, legal or otherwise.

Fine. It's an assault weapon.

 

[TerryMathews]

Fine. It's an assault weapon.

Don't be pissy just because you're wrong.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Don't be pissy just because you're wrong.

Look!!! I am an assault gun owner dammit! I can get pissy if I want to.

Assault guns are necessary to save lives. I've owned my assault gun for almost 20 years and it has saved my life zero times... er I mean hundreds of times.

In reality it is a worthless hunk of metal that really serves no purpose. I have plenty of other guns so if they take my assault gun away I don't really care.

 

[rudeguy]

if they are so worried about people getting killed, why don't they just make murder illegal?

no one going to answer me?

 

[JulesMaximus]

no one going to answer me?

Um, murder is illegal. Assault guns are not illegal... some people think they should be though. I'm kind of on the fence about it myself but I do like to play devil's advocate and I apparently haven't been keeping up on California gun laws..

 

[rudeguy]

Um, murder is illegal. Assault guns are not illegal... some people think they should be though. I'm kind of on the fence about it myself but I do like to play devil's advocate and I apparently haven't been keeping up on California gun laws..

Cali gun laws are nuts....beyond nuts.

That's good though. That will keep the criminals from using guns while they don't murder people

 

[JulesMaximus]

Cali gun laws are nuts....beyond nuts.

That's good though. That will keep the criminals from using guns while they don't murder people

NYC has some of the most draconian gun laws in the country and their murder rates have been decreasing for decades.

Starting in 2005, New York City achieved the lowest crime rate among the ten largest cities in the United States.[12] Since 1991, the city has seen a continuous fifteen-year trend of decreasing crime. Neighborhoods that were once considered dangerous are now much safer. Violent crime in the city has dropped by three quarters in the twelve years ending in 2005 with the murder rate at its lowest then level since 1963 with 539 murders that year, for a murder rate of 6.58 per 100,000 people, compared to 2,262 murders in 1990. The murder rate continued to drop each year since then. In 2012, there were 414 murders, mainly occurring in the outlying, low income areas of NYC. Among the 182 U.S. cities with populations of more than 100,000, New York City ranked 136th in overall crime.[13]

In 2006, as part of Mayor Michael Bloomberg's gun control efforts, the city approved new legislation regulating handgun possession and sales. The new laws established a gun offender registry, required city gun dealers to inspect their inventories and file reports to the police twice a year, and limited individual handgun purchases to once every 90 days. The regulations also banned the use and sale of kits used to paint guns in bright or fluorescent colors, on the grounds that such kits could be used to disguise real guns as toys.

 

[Texashiker]

NYC has some of the most draconian gun laws in the country and their murder rates have been decreasing for decades.

How much of the decrease in crime rates comes from forcing the poor and middle class out of the city through a high cost of living, and how much through gun control?

It appears to me that new york has replaced gun crime with white collar crime.

 

[rudeguy]

NYC has some of the most draconian gun laws in the country and their murder rates have been decreasing for decades.

Starting in 2005, New York City achieved the lowest crime rate among the ten largest cities in the United States.[12] Since 1991, the city has seen a continuous fifteen-year trend of decreasing crime. Neighborhoods that were once considered dangerous are now much safer. Violent crime in the city has dropped by three quarters in the twelve years ending in 2005 with the murder rate at its lowest then level since 1963 with 539 murders that year, for a murder rate of 6.58 per 100,000 people, compared to 2,262 murders in 1990. The murder rate continued to drop each year since then. In 2012, there were 414 murders, mainly occurring in the outlying, low income areas of NYC. Among the 182 U.S. cities with populations of more than 100,000, New York City ranked 136th in overall crime.[13]

In 2006, as part of Mayor Michael Bloomberg's gun control efforts, the city approved new legislation regulating handgun possession and sales. The new laws established a gun offender registry, required city gun dealers to inspect their inventories and file reports to the police twice a year, and limited individual handgun purchases to once every 90 days. The regulations also banned the use and sale of kits used to paint guns in bright or fluorescent colors, on the grounds that such kits could be used to disguise real guns as toys.

They dropped to over 400 in NYC alone in 2012. I don't that a success in the least.

Chicago also had over 400, another gun hating city.

Dallas on the other hand had just over 100.

Detroit, the city everyone says is the worst in the country had less than 400.

If you would like, I can spend some time putting together a list of the states with the strictest gun laws and show you how there is a collation between strict gun laws and high murder rates. I can do it as a % of population rather than total numbers if you would like.

 

[schneiderguy]

NYC has some of the most draconian gun laws in the country and their murder rates have been decreasing for decades.

Starting in 2005, New York City achieved the lowest crime rate among the ten largest cities in the United States.[12] Since 1991, the city has seen a continuous fifteen-year trend of decreasing crime. Neighborhoods that were once considered dangerous are now much safer. Violent crime in the city has dropped by three quarters in the twelve years ending in 2005 with the murder rate at its lowest then level since 1963 with 539 murders that year, for a murder rate of 6.58 per 100,000 people, compared to 2,262 murders in 1990. The murder rate continued to drop each year since then. In 2012, there were 414 murders, mainly occurring in the outlying, low income areas of NYC. Among the 182 U.S. cities with populations of more than 100,000, New York City ranked 136th in overall crime.[13]

In 2006, as part of Mayor Michael Bloomberg's gun control efforts, the city approved new legislation regulating handgun possession and sales. The new laws established a gun offender registry, required city gun dealers to inspect their inventories and file reports to the police twice a year, and limited individual handgun purchases to once every 90 days. The regulations also banned the use and sale of kits used to paint guns in bright or fluorescent colors, on the grounds that such kits could be used to disguise real guns as toys.

Wait, weren't you just complaining how easy it is to get guns outside of California and circumvent our gun laws?

It would be even easier to do that to New York City. So I don't see how you could make a connection between their gun laws and murder rate if your first assumption is correct.

Which is it, Jules?

 

[JulesMaximus]

They dropped to over 400 in NYC alone in 2012. I don't that a success in the least.

Chicago also had over 400, another gun hating city.

Dallas on the other hand had just over 100.

Detroit, the city everyone says is the worst in the country had less than 400.

If you would like, I can spend some time putting together a list of the states with the strictest gun laws and show you how there is a collation between strict gun laws and high murder rates. I can do it as a % of population rather than total numbers if you would like.

Dallas has a population of 1.2 million, NYC by comparison has a population of over 8 million. On a per capita basis Dallas actually has almost double the murder rate of NYC.

 

[TerryMathews]

Look!!! I am an assault gun owner dammit! I can get pissy if I want to.

Assault guns are necessary to save lives. I've owned my assault gun for almost 20 years and it has saved my life zero times... er I mean hundreds of times.

In reality it is a worthless hunk of metal that really serves no purpose. I have plenty of other guns so if they take my assault gun away I don't really care.

The thing of it is though, we let plenty of people own impractical things, across all categories.

I can think of a whole plethora of items that serve no useful purpose. And I personally don't want the government using that sort of logic to make a determination. The true question, the only one that should matter, is "is there a specific feature or capability to assault weapons that make it so civilians shouldn't be allowed to own them?"

I believe the answer to that is no, unless you are also going to ban high-power hunting rifles which are FAR more deadly than an AR15. Point of fact, the Texas Tower shooter killed 16 and wounded an additional 32 with guns that are legal to own under all proposed gun control laws.

But let's go back to "serves no purpose". What other things could we ban that serve no purpose?

Sports cars
Stripper poles
GeForce 780/Titan
That little woodpecker thing that dips into a glass of water and pops back up
This BBS
Hats with feathers in them
Track suits
Every video game ever made

"It serves no purpose" is a TERRIBLE reason to ban something. Please choose your words more wisely, the NSA is listening.