Feinstein admits gun control unlikely to get passed

[Texashiker]

As much as I dislike linking to huffpost, here goes,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/03/dianne-feinstein-gun-control_n_4209892.html

"A fear has set in that if they vote for the bill they won't be re-elected. It's that plain, it's that simple,"

Seems the elected officials have listened to the people. Vote for gun control and you will not get re-elected.

Even if the democrats get both houses in 2014, I doubt there is going to be any gun control bills pushed through.

This is not the 1990s. People know gun violence has little do with guns, and more to do with mental illness.

The LAX shooting happened in Feinsteins backyard, and in a state with very strict gun control laws. Its rather difficult for Feinstein to say gun control is the answer to violence with gangs in her home state.

 

[Incorruptible]

There weren't any other sources besides the crap from Huffpost? Feinstein is a complete idiot but it looks like she is right. Most gun control would probably fail and it violates the 2nd Amendment.

 

[Matt1970]

Seems the elected officials have listened to the people.

Well now that's a first.

Vote for gun control and not only will you not get re-elected.

You will also what?

Even if the democrats get both houses in 2014, I doubt there is going to be any gun control bills pushed through.

This is not the 1990s. People know gun violence has little do with guns, and more to do with mental illness.

The LAX shooting happened in Feinsteins backyard, and in a state with very strict gun control laws.

Mental illness is a copout. This is the decay of society. The mentally ill are not immune.

 

[Texashiker]

You will also what?

My first post said that you will also probably get recalled.

But I edited out the recall and overlooked the part you asked about.

 

[Matt1970]

My first post said that you will also probably get recalled.

But I edited out the recall and overlooked the part you asked about.

I got ya now. It makes sense. Once you are not re-elected what would you be recalled from?

 

[Texashiker]

I got ya now. It makes sense. Once you are not re-elected what would you be recalled from?

Recalled before your term runs out.

Like what is happening in Colorado.

 

[Tom]

As much as I dislike linking to huffpost, here goes,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/03/dianne-feinstein-gun-control_n_4209892.html



Seems the elected officials have listened to the people. Vote for gun control and you will not get re-elected.

Even if the democrats get both houses in 2014, I doubt there is going to be any gun control bills pushed through.

This is not the 1990s. People know gun violence has little do with guns, and more to do with mental illness.

The LAX shooting happened in Feinsteins backyard, and in a state with very strict gun control laws. Its rather difficult for Feinstein to say gun control is the answer to violence with gangs in her home state.

The people ?

The people is all of us, and 'all of us' isn't who is being listened to on this issue.

 

[Texashiker]

The people ?

The people is all of us, and 'all of us' isn't who is being listened to on this issue.

Congress listened to the people who are willing to stand up for their rights.

 

[Geosurface]

I hope no new laws pass re: gun control or any modification of SYG, etc.

There are very few things in this life which truly upset me, but kneejerk, ignorant, emotional overreactions are on that short list.

 

[berzerker60]

The vast majority of Americans want increased background checks. So actually kind of caving to a well-funded, loud minority rather than following the will of the people.

I hope no new laws pass re: gun control or any modification of SYG, etc.

There are very few things in this life which truly upset me, but kneejerk, ignorant, emotional overreactions are on that short list.

Lots of people think we need changes to gun laws even now. It's impossible to be a long distance from a mass shooting when they happen every few weeks to months. At what point, exactly, are people allowed to have different opinions than you without them being dismissed as kneejerk, emotional overreactions?

 

[Geosurface]

It's impossible to be a long distance from a mass shooting when they happen every few weeks.

I know, I live extremely close to Newtown.

At what point, exactly, are people allowed to have different opinions than you without them being dismissed as kneejerk, emotional overreactions?

I'll let you know.

 

[glenn1]

Feinstein admits gun control unlikely to get passed

While I disagree with Feinstein on many things, I'm glad to see that she has a better grasp on reality than some of the more strident Tea Party republicans.

 

[TerryMathews]

The vast majority of Americans want increased background checks. So actually kind of caving to a well-funded, loud minority rather than following the will of the people.

I have no issue with expanded background checks. Many gun rights people feel the same. The NRA and Bill Goodman have asked for years for the government to open NICS up to everyone.

I have a great issue with requiring FFLs to bless all transfers. Once Uncle Sam sneaks a transfer tax in, it will never go away and they will be able to increase it on demand.

And before anyone chimes in about paranoia, I will remind all of you that BATF has an extensive amount of control over FFLs through their licensing system.

If you have an FFL, you do things the ATF's way or you go out of business, no matter what the law says.

 

[Texashiker]

The vast majority of Americans want increased background checks. So actually kind of caving to a well-funded, loud minority rather than following the will of the people.

How restrictive do gun laws have to be before the anti-gun people are happy?

After the naval yard and sandy hook shooting it should be pretty clear we have a mental health crisis, rather than a gun law crisis.

Gun owners gave something with the gun control act of 1934.

Gun owners gave something with the gun control act of 1968.

Then there were the executive orders issued by bill clinton banning certain types of firearms from being imported.

What have the anti-gun people given?

As a gun owner, how far are my rights supposed to be eroded before I say enough is enough?

We have so many gun laws on the books, and so many of them are being ignored. How many gang banger felons have been caught in possession of a firearm? How many of them have been prosecuted under federal law?

 

[Wreckem]

And the sky is blue.

But niether is going to stop the NRA from continulally pushing the idea gun control at the federal level is going to happen so they can have record gun sales and record donations.

Every rational person in the US knew federal gun control was NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

The sad thing is gun nuts/NRA have moved the goal posts. Reform they have previously would have agreed to, they no longer will agree to.

 

[Texashiker]

Reform they have previously would have agreed to, they no longer will agree to.

Why should we agree to any new gun control laws?

 

[Lithium381]

As shown at LAX, it's not about who has access to the guns. . . it's who's mentally unstable enough to use them. Tens of thousands of people go through those terminals daily. . how many have access to guns? How many people travel daily with access to guns that DON'T shoot things up?

 

[JulesMaximus]

As much as I dislike linking to huffpost, here goes,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/03/dianne-feinstein-gun-control_n_4209892.html



Seems the elected officials have listened to the people. Vote for gun control and you will not get re-elected.

Even if the democrats get both houses in 2014, I doubt there is going to be any gun control bills pushed through.

This is not the 1990s. People know gun violence has little do with guns, and more to do with mental illness.

The LAX shooting happened in Feinsteins backyard, and in a state with very strict gun control laws. Its rather difficult for Feinstein to say gun control is the answer to violence with gangs in her home state.

We do have some crazy assault gun laws here but at least you can still buy many different types of guns including handguns.

It looks like he bought the guns used in the crime legally. He had no criminal background so basically, prior to the rampage last week anyway, he was just like any other law abiding gun owner.

Authorities believe the rifle used in the shooting was purchased in Los Angeles. Ciancia also had two additional handguns that he purchased in Los Angeles, but which weren't at the crime scene, a law enforcement official said. The official, who has been briefed on the investigation, was not authorized to speak publicly and requested anonymity.

The purchases themselves appeared legal, although authorities were still tracing them, and it's unclear if the shooter used his own identification or someone else's, the official said.

"He didn't buy them on the street. He didn't buy them on the Internet," the official said. "He bought them from a licensed gun dealer; the rifle and the two handguns."

 

[berzerker60]

Why should we agree to any new gun control laws?

Not that anyone expects you to, but we have a problem with people using guns to kills lots of other, innocent people.

We should be helping those who are mentally ill with their illness, but that would require, at a minimum, paying for health care for people who often have no jobs or means of paying for it, and more likely re-establishing some sort of (expensive) mental health facilities (shut down in California when Reagan was governor because it *gasp* costs money to take care of mentally ill people, rather than dumping them on their families and then the streets once the families are broke). Neither is politically likely, because any attempt to give health care to the poor is evil socialism!!!!

We should be keeping guns away from the mentally ill, but any attempt to do so is slippery slope towards Nazi socialism!!!!

The NRA is basically the Society for the Slippery Slope Fallacy, ginning up outrage at any rational reforms to actually help things by pretending it's 'fasco-communists out to get yer guns!!!!!!!' instead of a specific fix to a specific problem (mentally ill people getting guns and killing people with them) that basically everyone agrees should be in place. It's intensely frustrating to discuss, because gun people will never accept that you're not actually trying to take away their guns - literally any suggestion, no matter how small or reasonable, gets blown up as the next coming of StalinHitler.

Meanwhile, we somehow have laws in all kinds of things that don't spiral into totalitarianism! Blind people can't drive, yet most people can, once licensed to show they have the appropriate skills! Companies can't sell spoiled meat or faulty equipment, yet capitalism somehow lives on! Basically only on guns do you see this absurd slippery slope absolutism, yet it's completely intransigent on this issue because there's a profit in it for the gun makers and the NRA.

 

[Texashiker]

Not that anyone expects you to, but we have a problem with people using guns to kills lots of other, innocent people.

What we have is a problem of mentally ill people using guns to kill people.

But then again, gang bangers have been killing each other in mass since the 1930s. Only when gun crime spilled out of the inner city and into the suburbs did anyone give a crap.

30 people die in Detroit from gang related violence, and it barely makes the headlines.

30 kids die in a school shooting and there is national outrage.

If places like california, detriot, new york and new orleans would have done something about gang and gun violence in the 1980s, maybe we would not be in the situation right now.

 

[Tom]

Congress listened to the people who are willing to stand up for their rights.

What good does it do to live in a fantasy world?

1. There are other rights besides the 2nd Amendment. People who oppose the 2nd Amendment can be "standing up for their rights" just as much as anyone who supports it.

2. Being for "gun control" isn't being against the 2nd Amendment.

3. I didn't say there's anything wrong with being against gun control. All I said was it isn't accurate to deduce "the people" are opposed to any gun control because some politicians pander to a minority of "the people" about a single issue.

And the make up of Congress doesn't represent "the people" as a whole either. Congress is elected in 535 elections, not all representing an equal number of people, or decided by the same margin.

It's just a mathematical fact. All I'm saying is you're desire to validate your position because "the people" agree with you, isn't based on reality.

 

[sandorski]

The Dems should let the Reps win the next Presidential Election. Then refuse to increase the Debt Ceiling in exchange for some Gun Control.

 

[Texashiker]

2. Being for "gun control" isn't being against the 2nd Amendment.

How far do your rights have to be eroded before you say enough is enough?

Please be exact and to the point.

The Dems should let the Reps win the next Presidential Election. Then refuse to increase the Debt Ceiling in exchange for some Gun Control.

Sounds like win-win to me.

Do not raise the debt ceiling and no new gun control.

 

[Svnla]

"He didn't buy them on the street. He didn't buy them on the Internet," the official said.

Even if he did buy the gun from the Internet, he would have to pass a background check from his local FFL before said gun would be release to him. It was not like anyone could order a gun from the net and a few days later, it would show up on his/her door without any strings attached.

 

[TerryMathews]

To those of you who claim the NRA is "ginning up" their base for better sales, an honest question:

Do you truly believe that these gun control laws would still fail to pass, without the NRA "ginning up" their base?

After Newtown especially, the Democratic party was pushing hard for gun control. That's not my imagination, that's reality.

You all profess how upset you are at the NRA trotting out this gun control boogeyman, but it seems to me you're truly upset that it works.