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Feds order California marijuana dispensaries to close

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lol. Shocking, people high get into accidents. Shocking, people kill other people.

Of course you can find individual incidents. But the fact of the matter is that marijuana is several orders of magnitude better and safer than alcohol, no matter how you spin it. The stories you posted are the exception, not the norm. I could dig up 100x as many types of incidents involving people who were under the influence of alcohol.

These are not reasons to make either substance illegal.
 
guyver01 said:
http://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/20111004/ARTICLES/111009865
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2011/06/man_arrested_in_connection_wit.html
http://www.tokeofthetown.com/2011/08/10000_reward_offered_in_medical_marijuana_delivery.php
Anything else you want me to google for you?
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Detectives with the Portland Police Bureau have arrested a 37-year-old man in connection with a May 24 stabbing at a residence in North Portland.

According to Sgt. Pete Simpson, spokesman for the bureau, 37-year-old Michael Joseph Bailey has been arrested and charged in connection with a robbery and the stabbing of 33-year-old Jordan Klass at a residence in the 2400 block of North Russet Street.

The incident began about 12:15 p.m. on Tuesday, May 24, when officers were called to a disturbance at the residence. While enroute, they learned that someone had been stabbed. When they arrived, they found that the residence contained a medical marijuana growing operation and some processed marijuana.
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I see, there was MJ in the room, so naturally it's the MJ that ruined his life.

http://www.suntimes.com/8121005-417/man-charged-in-murderof-gas-station-guard.html
The killing happed on the West Side about 4 a.m. Saturday. A staffer at a Citgo gas station at 415 S. Pulaski Rd. was having problems with Link who was “hanging out’’ and reportedly causing a disturbance, police said.
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Look at that shit, there was Gas at that Gas station. I think gas ruined that mans life. I have no evidence to back it up, but since it's there I'm gonna have to blame the unleaded.

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An Oakland man police believe came to Santa Rosa for a marijuana robbery was in custody Monday along with three Santa Rosa residents suspected of marijuana sales.
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Man look at that, MJ is clearly responsible, being that it was the item being stolen.

http://www.kvue.com/news/Second-suspect-in-South-Austin-homicide-arrested-130739368.html
Officers responded to a call in the 2100 block of East 4th Street on Thursday, Sept. 8. When they arrived, they found 51-year-old Bernard Gonzales on the ground. He was taken to University Medical Center Brackenridge with injuries sustained while he was robbed by two men. Gonzales died a few days later.

A preliminary investigation found that a car and personal belongings were taken from Gonzales during the robbery.
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Fucking car and personal belongings, ruining peoples lives like that.
 
Aren’t these the same people that said that Arizona couldn’t make laws overruling fed laws? So now everyone’s pissed that the feds are enforcing the fed law? Oh wait.. sorry it’s MJ so it doesn’t count…
 
So can I still get a card easily in California Bay Area? I'm trying to cut back on alcohol and firmly believe that weed is safer, cheaper, and easier on your body than alcohol is. I would like to make the change. But a lot of people still view weed as taboo and evil and stare at you like a leper if you smoke it. But hey, down a case of beer and nobody will look twice.
 
/shrug. I don't follow laws I don't agree with, so if I used weed I'd just get it illegally without care.

This is a huge waste of government time, though.
 
guyver01 said:
Strawmans weaken your argument
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What exactly is your argument? That humans suck and shit happens?

Like I said, I could dig up 1000x as many citations regarding alcohol.

The drugs aren't the problem. The people are. People kill people while drunk. People kill people while stone cold sober. People get into accidents while in altered states of consciousness. People get into accidents whole stone cold sober. So... what is your point?
 
So the Fed claims it's authority to regulate MJ is based on the Interstate Commerce Act?

Well, if the MJ is grown and sold in the same state, I don't see where they have the authority to regulate it WITHIN the state.

A similar argument has been applied to guns lately with Montana and Tennessee passing resolutions which basically say, if a gun is manufactured, put up for sale and sold all in the same state, the Fed has no authority to regulate it.

I agree 100%.

No. The Fed doesn't just get to "supersede" a State law because it wants to. It has to have basis in law to do so.

I'm not for or against MJ, I don't care one way or the other if people use it, but, we're a nation of laws and they should be adhered to. In this case, I don't see where the Fed can legally regulate MJ in California or any other state unless interstate commerce is involved.
 
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Vic Vega said:
Well, if the MJ is grown and sold in the same state, I don't see where they have the authority to regulate it WITHIN the state.
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Under Gonzales v. Raich, The Supreme Court held that medical marijuana grown and consumed in California was indistinguishable from marijuana transported across the state line, and therefore affected interstate commerce, even in the absence of any legal market in marijuana.
 
Lets see if the supreme court is right.. ATOT... your turn..

Marijuana 1:
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Marijuana 2:
High-Quality-Marijuana.jpg



ATOT.... WHICH marijuana picture is from California???
 
Ns1 said:
not sure what your point is.
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The Supreme Court states: medical marijuana grown and consumed in California was indistinguishable from marijuana transported across the state line, and therefore affected interstate commerce


And this is their justification for invoking the surpemacy clause indicating that marijuana is illegal


are they right?

is medical marijuana grown and consumed in California indistinguishable from marijuana transported across the state line?
 
guyver01 said:
no. i was replying to his comment that Marijuana doesn't cause issues.

It's obvious he was delusional.

here's his comment:

now PLEASE tell me you don't agree with him.
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I agree with his sentiment.

People who smoke marijuana don't tend to be violent. That isn't the case with alcohol. Are there violent stoners? Sure. Are there calm and reserved alcoholics? Sure.

They're not the norm though.
 
guyver01 said:
and i'm perfectly fine with ruining the lives of drug dealers.
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"Drug dealers" wouldn't sell marijuana if it was legal.

You can't see that we're perpetuating the very problem we want to eliminate?

Tobacco companies are drug dealers. Pharmaceutical companies are drug dealers. Marijuana companies would also be drug dealers. Moonshiners were drug dealers. We solved that problem by ending alcohol prohibition.

It amazes me how people can be so blinded by "the law".
 
guyver01 said:
The Supreme Court states: medical marijuana grown and consumed in California was indistinguishable from marijuana transported across the state line, and therefore affected interstate commerce


And this is their justification for invoking the surpemacy clause indicating that marijuana is illegal


are they right?

is medical marijuana grown and consumed in California indistinguishable from marijuana transported across the state line?
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Depends on where it's coming from and how it's packaged, but theoretically no, it's not.

I fail to see what your point is, though. This idea that we can squash marijuana under the guise of interstate commerce is the biggest crock of shit in this thread, even bigger than the feds cracking down on these places.

You forgot to bold the most important part.

"Under Gonzales v. Raich, The Supreme Court held that medical marijuana grown and consumed in California was indistinguishable from marijuana transported across the state line, and therefore affected interstate commerce, even in the absence of any legal market in marijuana. "

How does it affect interstate commerce when it's illegal, period? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
 
guyver01 said:
is medical marijuana grown and consumed in California indistinguishable from marijuana transported across the state line?
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only visually to the uneducated.

quality wise California is rolling in BMW's while the rest of the US is rolling in Kia's

Eli said:
"Drug dealers" wouldn't sell marijuana if it was legal.

You can't see that we're perpetuating the very problem we want to eliminate?

Tobacco companies are drug dealers. Pharmaceutical companies are drug dealers. Marijuana companies would also be drug dealers. Moonshiners were drug dealers. We solved that problem by ending alcohol prohibition.

It amazes me how people can be so blinded by "the law".
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this
 
I agree it's ridiculous.

The fact that the same item is available elsewhere is completely irrelevant. If the product is produced, sold and never leaves the state, it shouldn't matter that the same product is also sold in the neighboring state.
 
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