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Feds may define fetus as a child; prenatal-care plan stirs abortion debate

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so let me get this straight, we should let *your* morals define everybody else's law?

So tell me gopunk....do you have any morals? Do you think they are good for you and your friends? And how is aborting a fetus/potential life any good for society, acceptable to any person with 1/10 of moral sensitivity? Please tell me...
 


<< so let me get this straight, we should let *your* morals define everybody else's law?

So tell me gopunk....do you have any morals? Do you think they are good for you and your friends? And how is aborting a fetus/potential life any good for society, acceptable to any person with 1/10 of moral sensitivity? Please tell me... >>



yes i have morals. i think they are good for me, and i can't say whether they are good for others. i'm not sure i would say that abortion is good for society per se, but i support it because i believe that women who truly feel that they are not able to raise the child well should have the option of not having the child.

may i remind you that you keep on using "morality" as if it were some sort of universal truth?
 
Sara is right...

If you can't support a child dont fsucking have sex. There should never be a situation where a woman should consider this. It is murder in its most simple form.

IMO, anyone who gets an abortion is commiting murder, and should be in jail.

how is a mother aborting a fetus justifiable... they are just as bad as any other murderer out there...

prochoice makes me sick
 
"OK, there is a such thing as ADOPTION. And there are parents out there who want kids and are willing to adopt them."

if every "pro-life" would agree to pay for the expenses and adopt one of the children they are "saving" the world would be a better place. of course that will never happen b/c that would mean they would actually have to show through actions and sacrifice they are pro-life, not through just talk. pro-choice people are selfish and honest about it IMO.

"The Bush administration inflamed the abortion debate yesterday by proposing to expand the definition of a child to include a fetus so that low-income pregnant women could receive taxpayer-funded health care"

yeah like Bush gives a dam about taxpayer-funded health care for low income individuals. how transparent can they get.
 
If you can't support a child dont fsucking have sex.

i totally agree, or you can use your fcking head and get some birth control for god's sake! however, if they've already had sex, it's too late for this bit of wisdom.
 


<< Liberal jerks!

Don't know a good thing when you see it.

You are so afraid of the "slippery slope" that you would rather deny prenatal care to those in need.

Friggin' idiots. >>



Right Wing Christian Conservative Nazi

Don't have the reading comprehension to understand the article.

You are so afraid that there are people out there different than yourself that you want to force your beliefs on everyone else.

Friggin' idiot.

Didn't you even read the article?



<< Abortion-rights activists say the Bush administration could provide prenatal care for low-income women without changing the definition of a child. The president could follow the lead of former President Bill Clinton and grant states waivers to the children's program to permit coverage of pregnant women, Gandy said. >>

 


<< if they've already had sex, it's too late for this bit of wisdom. >>



if youve already had sex, then you need to take responisiblity for your fsuckup, and not take the easy way out...

just because you have the right to bring life into this world, does not mean you have the right to take it out
 


<< i totally agree! however, if they've already had sex, it's too late for this bit of wisdom. >>



I agree as well. I also want the door open if someone wishes to abort a severly mentally handicapped or deformed (lacking skull, etc) fetus.

Don't even argue that it's against what God would want. In the 12th century, these fetuses would have developed into babies, been born and then died. It's only because of human designed machines and drugs that they are kept alive, with which, we are going against God's will.

Or are you going to argue that God's will has changed with technology?
 
Liberal view: "Everyone should have a choice as to whether or not they want to keep their child. If you choose to abort, that's fine with me; if you choose to have the baby, that's also fine."

Conservative view: "Nobody should have a choice, except in extreme circumstances. If you're pregnant, unless you can prove these extreme circumstances, then you have to have the child."

TheBlondOne, it's fine that you are pro-life. If you are pregnant and want to have the child, that's perfectly fine by me. But what gives you (or anyone else) the right to tell someone ELSE whether or not they can abort? I certainly don't think it's right for one group of people to foist their opinions on EVERYONE else. It makes much more sense to just let everyone have their own choice.
 
"may i remind you that you keep on using "morality" as if it were some sort of universal truth? "

Obviously some people think that it is. Either side has no more claim to the truth than the other. So any debate on the subject of absolute truth is going to be pointless.

Laws in a general sense define out morality, don't steal, don't kill, etc. etc.
 
if youve already had sex, then you need to take responisiblity for your fsuckup, and not take the easy way out...

aha! and now we see the real reason why pro-lifers are against abortion. it's all about punishing people who have sex eh? screw whether or not they can provide a good life for the child, we must punish those who have pre-marital sex!

just because you have the right to bring life into this world, does not mean you have the right to take it out

that's why you don't bring it in 🙂
 
a fetus should be considered a child in the first place. i'm not even a religious person, it's pure logic. Even at the earliest stages, it is still its own living organism. It will eventually grow into a person like you or me. Why then should it be moral for someone to kill it because she is too immatue to take responsibility for her actions?
 
Obviously some people think that it is.

yes, i know, i was just pointing out their error 🙂

Laws in a general sense define out morality, don't steal, don't kill, etc. etc.

well perhaps they coincide with morality, but i believe those particular laws are in place because people don't want to be stolen from or killed, or live in fear of those actions. at least, that is my reason for supporting those laws...
 
if you are pregnant and didnt want a baby, then you have fsucked up...

i dont give a sh*t whether your married or not, if you are pregnant, you need to take responsibility for the life that you have just made
 
BTW.... am i the only person who thinks the title of this thread fits what's going on here?

Feds may define fetus as a child; prenatal-care plan stirs abortion debate
 


<< if you are pregnant and didnt want a baby, then you have fsucked up...
i dont give a sh*t whether your married or not, if you are pregnant, you need to take responsibility for the life that you have just made >>



what do you define as taking responsibility? according to you, shoudl they raise the child? are they allowed by you to give the child up for adoption? does going through 9 months of pregnancy and labor satisfy your requirements of responsibility?
 


<< if every "pro-life" would agree to pay for the expenses and adopt one of the children they are "saving" the world would be a better place. of course that will never happen b/c that would mean they would actually have to show through actions and sacrifice they are pro-life, not through just talk. pro-choice people are selfish and honest about it IMO. >>


They don't need to. There are already plenty of people looking to adopt as it is. My aunt was on a 4 year waiting list to adopt her first kid, because she is unable to have children of her own.



<< i totally agree, or you can use your fcking head and get some birth control for god's sake! however, if they've already had sex, it's too late for this bit of wisdom. >>


And now they must take responsibility for their actions.



<< TheBlondOne, it's fine that you are pro-life. If you are pregnant and want to have the child, that's perfectly fine by me. But what gives you (or anyone else) the right to tell someone ELSE whether or not they can abort? I certainly don't think it's right for one group of people to foist their opinions on EVERYONE else. It makes much more sense to just let everyone have their own choice. >>


The one thing pro-choice people always overlook is the rights of the UNBORN CHILD. It is not the mother's right to play god with life and death.
 
<<They don't need to. There are already plenty of people looking to adopt as it is. My aunt was on a 4 year waiting list to adopt her first kid, because she is unable to have children of her own.>>

Your aunt could have adopted nearly overnight if she had been willing to adopt outside her race.

<<Feds may define fetus as a child>>

Does this mean sonagram pictures will be declared kidporn? 😉
 
Your conservative view only applies to some people, who allow it in extreme cases(rape, etc.), but there are also other conservatives who will not even allow it in extreme cases. So if you are raped and get pregnant, they would say tough luck you have to have the baby no matter what.



<< Liberal view: "Everyone should have a choice as to whether or not they want to keep their child. If you choose to abort, that's fine with me; if you choose to have the baby, that's also fine."

Conservative view: "Nobody should have a choice, except in extreme circumstances. If you're pregnant, unless you can prove these extreme circumstances, then you have to have the child."

TheBlondOne, it's fine that you are pro-life. If you are pregnant and want to have the child, that's perfectly fine by me. But what gives you (or anyone else) the right to tell someone ELSE whether or not they can abort? I certainly don't think it's right for one group of people to foist their opinions on EVERYONE else. It makes much more sense to just let everyone have their own choice. >>

 


<< The one thing pro-choice people always overlook is the rights of the UNBORN CHILD. It is not the mother's right to play god with life and death. >>



Who should we arrest for natural abortions?

Fetus != unborn child unless sperm != unborn child. "unborn children" are not necessarily children and do not necessarily deserve rights.
 


<< Your aunt could have adopted nearly overnight if she had been willing to adopt outside her race. >>



Uh, she did.
 


<< The one thing pro-choice people always overlook is the rights of the UNBORN CHILD. It is not the mother's right to play god with life and death. >>


Well, I would rather give rights to somebody who is for sure a human being (the mother) rather than something that nobody is sure is a human or just a bunch of cells (the unborn fetus).
 
Must irk the piss out of you friggin' liberals that Bush is running an 80%+ approval rating.

hahahahahahaha

Not everone believes your extreme left-wing liberal tripe.

Burn any churches lately?

 
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