Federal voting standards introduced in the Senate.

HomerJS

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Sen. Barbara Boxer has introduced the LINE act in the Senate. It's an attempt at a remedy Republicans setup so mostly minority voters waited in lines up to 7 hours. Check out the pictures in Florida (again) and Ohio.

Its about time federal standards are set for voting. Maybe it will put an end to all the shenanigans and incompetence in some of these states. This new law doesn't go far enough. We need standards for proposed voter ID the states are trying to rig. BTW - Florida after the 2000 debacle still can't get its act together???

Some of the goals of the LINE Act...

require the Attorney General, in consultation with the U.S. Election Assistance Commission (EAC), to issue new national standards by January 1, 2014 regarding the minimum number of voting machines, election workers, and other election resources that are necessary to conduct Federal elections on Election Day and during early voting periods. The bill explicitly states that the goal of minimum standards is to prevent a waiting time of more than one hour at any polling place.

Senator Boxer’s bill also would require states where voters endured long lines to implement remedial plans to fix the problems before the next federal election. Under the legislation, the Attorney General working with the EAC would identify states that had a substantial number of voters who waited more than 90 minutes to vote in the 2012 election. Those states would have to comply with a remedial plan to ensure voters would not face similar delays in the future.


MODS: Pls relocate to P&N. My mistake
 
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dmcowen674

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I agree with this especially after standing in line 4 hours last month.

There were only 2 women. 6 machines in which only 2 1/2 worked.

2 were dead. The 3rd required a re-boot after every voter.

I highly doubt that one counted any votes.
 

lupi

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what does this have to do with republicans, and I lulz at these terrible stories from democrat controlled areas along with that.
 

HomerJS

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what does this have to do with republicans, and I lulz at these terrible stories from democrat controlled areas along with that.

In Fla, extra long ballots along with cutting back early in a state that already had long lines and a history of problems. Orchestrated by Gov. Rick Scott -R

It still took them weeks after the election to count.
 

sixone

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The Constitution gives the states the right to decide who is eligible to vote. She can play for favorable publicity all she wants, but it's a states rights issue.
 

Exterous

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In Fla, extra long ballots along with cutting back early in a state that already had long lines and a history of problems. Orchestrated by Gov. Rick Scott -R

It still took them weeks after the election to count.

Rick Scott orchestrated the long ballots? Odd that he would make some county's ballots longer than others...
 

EagleKeeper

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Good luck getting anything accomplished in one year.

Also, unless one is going to drill down to the precinct level to seet a standard; assigning numbers will not do any good.
Will the Feds cover added costs
How can you assign a time limit for a person to read/review a document; the Federal may be only 3-4 lines; but a state can have 40-50 items to be addressed.

This is BS grandstanding by boxer and lapping it up are her worshipers
 

HomerJS

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Good luck getting anything accomplished in one year.

Also, unless one is going to drill down to the precinct level to seet a standard; assigning numbers will not do any good.
Will the Feds cover added costs
How can you assign a time limit for a person to read/review a document; the Federal may be only 3-4 lines; but a state can have 40-50 items to be addressed.

This is BS grandstanding by boxer and lapping it up are her worshipers

and continue to let Florida screw up national elections every 4 years??

Let Ohio attempt to set different voting standards for Democrat and Republican districts??
 

PokerGuy

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That idiot boxer is at it again. Control over the voting process is granted to the states, not the federal government.

I'm glad we don't have any real problems to solve, that our reps can waste their time on useless grandstanding for their mentally challenged followers to lap up.
 

preslove

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Rick Scott orchestrated the long ballots? Odd that he would make some county's ballots longer than others...

The Republicans in Florida reduced the number early voting days specifically to create long lines in democratic precincts.

Anyone who thinks that there is any acceptable reason to make it harder to vote is a pathetic excuse for an American.
 

preslove

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That idiot boxer is at it again. Control over the voting process is granted to the states, not the federal government.

I'm glad we don't have any real problems to solve, that our reps can waste their time on useless grandstanding for their mentally challenged followers to lap up.

The fact that you don't think voter obstruction is a "real problem" shows that you are an anti-American piece of shit.
 

PokerGuy

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The fact that you don't think voter obstruction is a "real problem" shows that you are an anti-American piece of sh*t.

The fact that you're too stupid to realize that this has nothing to do with "voter obstruction", that this is just grandstanding by a complete moron is very telling.
 

preslove

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The Constitution gives the states the right to decide who is eligible to vote. She can play for favorable publicity all she wants, but it's a states rights issue.


You know fuck all about the constitution. Maybe you should read Section 4 of the constitution...

http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
Section. 4.

The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

The Congress shall assemble at least once in every Year, and such Meeting shall be on the first Monday in December, unless they shall by Law appoint a different Day.

Congress has legal authority over any election of US House members.
 
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techs

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The Constitution gives the states the right to decide who is eligible to vote. She can play for favorable publicity all she wants, but it's a states rights issue.

That idiot boxer is at it again. Control over the voting process is granted to the states, not the federal government.

I'm glad we don't have any real problems to solve, that our reps can waste their time on useless grandstanding for their mentally challenged followers to lap up.

Actually you people are borderline ignorant.

The Constitution doesn't grant the States the right to decide who is eligible to vote. It grants the states any rights not granted by the Constitution to the Federal government.
The Constitution gives the Feds many powers over elections and who can vote in them. The most powerful of which is the 14th Amendment and the equal protection clause.

Under the 14th Amendment:

For example a State, say Colorado, couldn't decide to have one polling place for the whole state and stick it on the top of Pikes Peak.

A State can't have say 10 voting machines for every 100 voters for rural areas and 10 voting machines for every 1 million voters in a big city.

IF the above in actuality is determined by the courts to be in violation of the Constitution.

The problem is that using the courts in these cases is difficult proactively and relies on the actual election data. In other words you get away with it. And the courts almost never invalidate elections for these reasons. So you get away with not only doing it but actually stealing elections.

Yes, the Feds should have minimum standards under which it has clarified what is acceptable under the 14th and other amendments. This is a routine function of Congress.
 

preslove

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The fact that you're too stupid to realize that this has nothing to do with "voter obstruction", that this is just grandstanding by a complete moron is very telling.

o rlly?
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/n...s/early-voting-curbs-called-power-play/nTFDy/
A new Florida law that contributed to long voter lines and caused some to abandon voting altogether was intentionally designed by Florida GOP staff and consultants to inhibit Democratic voters, former GOP officials and current GOP consultants have told The Palm Beach Post.

Republican leaders said in proposing the law that it was meant to save money and fight voter fraud. But a former GOP chairman and former Gov. Charlie Crist, both of whom have been ousted from the party, now say that fraud concerns were advanced only as subterfuge for the law&#8217;s main purpose: GOP victory.

Former Republican Party of Florida Chairman Jim Greer says he attended various meetings, beginning in 2009, at which party staffers and consultants pushed for reductions in early voting days and hours.

&#8220;The Republican Party, the strategists, the consultants, they firmly believe that early voting is bad for Republican Party candidates,&#8221; Greer told The Post. &#8220;It&#8217;s done for one reason and one reason only. &#8230; &#8216;We&#8217;ve got to cut down on early voting because early voting is not good for us,&#8217; &#8221; Greer said he was told by those staffers and consultants.

&#8220;They never came in to see me and tell me we had a (voter) fraud issue,&#8221; Greer said. &#8220;It&#8217;s all a marketing ploy.&#8221;


Greer is now under indictment, accused of stealing $200,000 from the party through a phony campaign fundraising operation. He, in turn, has sued the party, saying GOP leaders knew what he was doing and voiced no objection.

&#8220;Jim Greer has been accused of criminal acts against this organization and anything he says has to be considered in that light,&#8221; says Brian Burgess, Florida GOP spokesman since September.

But Greer&#8217;s statements about the motivations for the party&#8217;s legislative efforts, implemented by a GOP-majority House and Senate in Tallahassee in 2011, are backed by Crist &#8212; also now on the outs with the party &#8212; and two veteran GOP campaign consultants.

Wayne Bertsch, who handles local and legislative races for Republicans, said he knew targeting Democrats was the goal.


&#8220;In the races I was involved in in 2008, when we started seeing the increase of turnout and the turnout operations that the Democrats were doing in early voting, it certainly sent a chill down our spines. And in 2008, it didn&#8217;t have the impact that we were afraid of. It got close, but it wasn&#8217;t the impact that they had this election cycle,&#8221; Bertsch said, referring to the fact that Democrats picked up seven legislative seats in Florida in 2012 despite the early voting limitations.

Another GOP consultant, who did not want to be named, also confirmed that influential consultants to the Republican Party of Florida were intent on beating back Democratic turnout in early voting after 2008.

In 2008 Democrats, especially African-Americans, turned out in unprecedented numbers for President Barack Obama, many of them casting ballots during 14 early voting days. In Palm Beach County, 61.2 percent of all early voting ballots were cast by Democrats that year, compared with 18.7 percent by Republicans.

In 2011 Republicans, who had super majorities in both chambers of the legislature, passed HB 1355, which curtailed early voting days from 14 to eight; greatly proscribed the activities of voter registration organizations like the League of Women Voters; and made it harder for voters who had changed counties since the last election to cast ballots, a move that affected minorities proportionately more than whites. The League and others challenged the law in court, and a federal judge threw out most of the provisions related to voter registration organizations.

Various voter registration organizations, minority coalitions and Democratic office holders are now demanding investigations either by state or federal officials.

On Oct. 26, The Post published a story citing a deposition by Florida GOP General Counsel Emmett &#8220;Bucky&#8221; Mitchell IV in litigation between Florida and the U.S. Justice Department over HB 1355. Mitchell described a meeting near New Year&#8217;s Day 2011, in which he was approached by GOP staffers and consultants to write the bill that would become HB 1355.

He said the meeting had followed other conversations with those same GOP officials and consultants since the fall of 2010.

Crist said he was asked to curb early voting

Crist said party leaders approached him during his 2007-2011 gubernatorial term about changing early voting, in an effort to suppress Democrat turnout. Crist is now at odds with the GOP, since abandoning the party to run for U.S. Senate as an independent in 2010. He is rumored to be planning another run for governor, as a Democrat.

Crist said in a telephone interview this month that he did not recall conversations about early voting specifically targeting black voters &#8220;but it looked to me like that was what was being suggested. And I didn&#8217;t want them to go there at all.&#8221;

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About inhibiting minority voters, Greer said:

&#8220;The sad thing about that is yes, there is prejudice and racism in the party but the real prevailing thought is that they don&#8217;t think minorities will ever vote Republican,&#8221; he said. &#8220;It&#8217;s not really a broad-based racist issue. It&#8217;s simply that the Republican Party gave up a long time ago ever believing that anything they did would get minorities to vote for them.&#8221;

But a GOP consultant who asked to remain anonymous out of fear of retribution said black voters were a concern.

&#8220;I know that the cutting out of the Sunday before Election Day was one of their targets only because that&#8217;s a big day when the black churches organize themselves,&#8221; he said.

Again. ANYONE who thinks this acceptable is a pathetic excuse for an American.
 

Phanuel

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Under the 14th Amendment:

For example a State, say Colorado, couldn't decide to have one polling place for the whole state and stick it on the top of Pikes Peak.

Could you imagine the epicness of a "Pikes Peak Election Race" and like a decade ago when it wasn't all paved? God, I'd tune in to watch that. I'm sure voting would be down in states across the nation as people tuned in to watch that endless car wreck!