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Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
A great warrior is he who chooses his battles.

And a worthless empty suit chooses never to fight a battle. Chalk up another lie by Obama. When is this man going to learn how to lead? He could end this tomorrow but he chooses not to because he is weak.

Hahaha, yeah, CLEARLY the confiscation of a few commercially grown pot plants is the biggest issue facing America right now, and strong leadership in this area would be the surest way to gain the respect of the world.:laugh:

Either is the 2010 census.. yet Obama seems quite concerned with that.
 

retrospooty

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Originally posted by: bamacre
One today...
http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_11619733

Ok, so he hasn't been in office for a month yet, but when exactly does this become a broken promise? How hard is it to make a phone call or send an email saying "stop?" As someone who believes that all federal drug laws should be removed from the books, I find these raids ridiculous.

right... So you dont think he's a bit busy? His predecessor broke the world, and you want immediate reaction to EVERYTHING? Govt. takes time, they cant react fast to anything, much less things that arent top priority.

Nevermind, your just here to slam him, so why waste words.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: jagec
Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
A great warrior is he who chooses his battles.

And a worthless empty suit chooses never to fight a battle. Chalk up another lie by Obama. When is this man going to learn how to lead? He could end this tomorrow but he chooses not to because he is weak.

Hahaha, yeah, CLEARLY the confiscation of a few commercially grown pot plants is the biggest issue facing America right now, and strong leadership in this area would be the surest way to gain the respect of the world.:laugh:

"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." - MLK
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: zinfamous
please raise your hand if you feel that you are more qualified in Civics than a former president of the Harvard Law review and a U of Chicago instructor in Constitutional Law.
*raises his hand*

If Obama really feels that he can do what he promised, then he doesn't understand civics as well as your appeal to authority would indicate.
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: alchemize
When Federal and State law are in direct conflict, then it's the executive branch's discretion to decide if the state law should be allowed to prevail. Obama is apparently deciding to renege on his promise. Wasn't the first time, won't be the last I'm sure.
That's not how it works at all. Federal law is the law of the land, period. States are free to legislate things that the federal government has not addressed. If a conflict exists, the federal law always takes precedent.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: bamacre
One today...
http://www.contracostatimes.com/california/ci_11619733

Ok, so he hasn't been in office for a month yet, but when exactly does this become a broken promise? How hard is it to make a phone call or send an email saying "stop?" As someone who believes that all federal drug laws should be removed from the books, I find these raids ridiculous.

Do you know how many lawyers will lose work if the raids stop?

Who cares, they're not people.
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: alchemize
When Federal and State law are in direct conflict, then it's the executive branch's discretion to decide if the state law should be allowed to prevail. Obama is apparently deciding to renege on his promise. Wasn't the first time, won't be the last I'm sure.
That's not how it works at all. Federal law is the law of the land, period. States are free to legislate things that the federal government has not addressed. If a conflict exists, the federal law always takes precedent.
Yes, it IS the way things work. You're talking about the Supremacy Clause, I'm talking about discretionary enforcement.

Another example...under federal law possession of MJ is illegal, in conflict with man state laws. So why doesn't the fed also prosecute every possession case? Because the executive branch (DEA & AG) has decided not to. It's the Exec branch's discretion, period.

 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: alchemize
When Federal and State law are in direct conflict, then it's the executive branch's discretion to decide if the state law should be allowed to prevail. Obama is apparently deciding to renege on his promise. Wasn't the first time, won't be the last I'm sure.
That's not how it works at all. Federal law is the law of the land, period. States are free to legislate things that the federal government has not addressed. If a conflict exists, the federal law always takes precedent.
Yes, it IS the way things work. You're talking about the Supremacy Clause, I'm talking about discretionary enforcement.

Another example...under federal law possession of MJ is illegal, in conflict with man state laws. So why doesn't the fed also prosecute every possession case? Because the executive branch (DEA & AG) has decided not to. It's the Exec branch's discretion, period.

Yes, and what needs to be done is to drop all federal drug laws and leave them up to local governments.
 

CitizenKain

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
A great warrior is he who chooses his battles.

And a worthless empty suit chooses never to fight a battle. Chalk up another lie by Obama. When is this man going to learn how to lead? He could end this tomorrow but he chooses not to because he is weak.

Even more things Fear No Evil doesn't understand. Its getting to be a huge list by now.
 

extra

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What I don't get is why you should even need a prescription for a fucking plant. WHO CARES...honestly...One of our local politicians here, a democrat (who is pro-gun, though :)... Has the right idea when he was basically like who cares about the minor drug offenders, what we need around here is to deal with the growing meth problem, and of the meth heads the ones actually out causing problems.. He isn't doing that by making some more meth laws that can easily be skirted either... his plan, drastically increase penalties for metal thieves... ^_^ Which is a good common sense thing, really. Focus on the druggies that are out doing real crimes to support their habits. Ignore the ones just doing drugs (which shouldn't really even be a crime!)

Here is my comprehensive drug solution:

Divide drugs into two categories.. Call it "harmful drugs" and "very harmful drugs". Some stuff will go into the harmful drugs category: Weed, tobacco (yeah, argue about it if you wish, but culturally this is where it's going to go), alcohol (same, although based on physical evidence it should probably be in the other category), some tryptamine based psychedelic drugs (mushrooms), GHB, benzos (valium, etc), some disassociatives (ketamine, nitrous), some mild stimulants (caffeine would be on here with additional exemptions so as to remain virtually unregulated except in the form of buying lots of the pure chemical), some opiates, some raw materials such as opium poppies and the coca plant for making tea, etc....

Stuff that would go into the very harmful drugs category: ANYTHING designed to be injected or snorted. Cocaine and derivatives (except plain coca leaves in small quantities), amphetamines (except when prescribed by a doctor for treatment of a disease obviously), some disassociatives (PCP), barbiturates, deleriant drugs (datura, etc--anything except approved stuff in small quantities to treat allergies)

Some stuff would need more study: phenethylamine based psychedelics such as mescaline, some things that may fit into that category (such as X), various other stimulants which haven't really been studied much, etc...

Drugs on the harmful drug list would be legal and heavily taxed just like alcohol and ciggs are now. Obviously there would be an age requirement. 18 or 21, whatever...Some stuff may have a quantity limit placed on it as well, up to states and localities for that...whatever.. If you want some weed or mushrooms you can go into a shop and buy them, it'll be taxed, etc. Quick tests for inebriation will be developed as well to go along with these laws.

Drugs on the very harmful drug list would be legal but would have much more restrictions tied to them. To buy them your name must go on a list and you get a card from the government. You may purchase and use these drugs in your own home. They will be heavily taxed. The list is public anyone may view it. You must re-register every 5 years (give people a chance to get off of it). Being on this list automatically denies you ANY GOVERNMENT BENEFITS (social security, Medicare, Medicaid, any welfare of any kind, etc). It also automatically doubles the sentence of any crimes you get charged with.
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: alchemize
]Yes, it IS the way things work. You're talking about the Supremacy Clause, I'm talking about discretionary enforcement.

Another example...under federal law possession of MJ is illegal, in conflict with man state laws. So why doesn't the fed also prosecute every possession case? Because the executive branch (DEA & AG) has decided not to. It's the Exec branch's discretion, period.
There is a difference between delegating authority and allowing state law to contradict federal law. No one is arguing that the federal government should prosecute every violation of federal law - it should delegate prosecution to states when the laws have common ground. It's not the exec branch's discretion to neglect enforcement of laws when local laws contradict federal laws. Period.
 

wwswimming

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there was an article a few days ago about changes quietly being made, but Obama
didn't want to start out "taking on" the DEA during his first 3 months in office.