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Federal judge orders jail for those praying at texas graduation ceremony

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I'm an atheist/non-religious and I can say that I disagree 100% with this.

1) To say that the petitioner would suffer 'irreparable harm' is ludicrous.
2) To impute vicarious liability to the school administrators is also ludicrous.
3) To say that 'separation of church and state' mandates no prayer in school is ludicrous. In Texas they pray before football games. In almost every state they pray before legislative sessions. 'Separation of church and state' does not mean that mention of a deity is taboo at "public" events.
 
Jail time seems a bit extreme...

Don't we have enough people in jail already without placing people in there for using "religious words?"
 
I figured people would jump to support this. But it is totally against freedom of speech. A kid can say whatever they want to. Sorry to say. School can't embrace prayer, but if the kids want to, thats their choice. Now they will be violating laws? haha. Totally against the constitution.
 
xj0hnx said:
They can have equal time. IMO if they want to pray in school, they need to do it as a moment of silence, and then just let anyone that wants to pray in their head, or think about Mary Jane RottenCrotch and her purty pink panties instead if they want.
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I'd be fine with this as a compromise, however really, prayer does not belong at public functions, Period. If people want to pray, they can pray their @sses off before and/or after the public function, not during.

If that is so arduous that the entirety of the world will burst into flames if prayer at the public function cannot wait, then a moment of silence would be the best compromise...followed by jail when someone decides to not be silent and start cramming their religion down the public functions throat since they're at the bully pulpit.

Which is why I think a law like this would be good for the short term, until we can get people to be un-brainwashed that people must hear religion and public events....

Chuck
 
chucky2 said:
I'd be fine with this as a compromise, however really, prayer does not belong at public functions, Period. If people want to pray, they can pray their @sses off before and/or after the public function, not during.

If that is so arduous that the entirety of the world will burst into flames if prayer at the public function cannot wait, then a moment of silence would be the best compromise...followed by jail when someone decides to not be silent and start cramming their religion down the public functions throat since they're at the bully pulpit.

Which is why I think a law like this would be good for the short term, until we can get people to be un-brainwashed that people must hear religion and public events....

Chuck
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This ruling is fucking obscene. For one thing, it is unconstitutional, it violates freedom of religion, and free speech. If they want to ban the school from holding a prayer that's fine and dandy, but to threaten students with jail for praying is fucking ridiculous.
 
CADsortaGUY said:
There is no freedom FROM religion you twit.
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Oh yes there is you retarded little twit AND it's the status quo, if you do not wish to be exposed to religion but want to attend any state function you are supposed to be free from religous speech.

Does it surprise me that i as a Brit know this better than your daft arse, not really, i know who you are, i know you are a fascist, that you spend your family dinners using nothing but hate against others and ending it in a prayer just before dinner just like the rest of you pretend to be Christians...

And yes, you are ALL utterly pathetic excuses of human vermin.

And if you still don't get it, the government is free from religion which means it cannot exercise religion, which means that at any state function, religion is not present... is that clear to you?

I really can't dumb it down more...
 
chucky2 said:
I'd be fine with this as a compromise, however really, prayer does not belong at public functions, Period. If people want to pray, they can pray their @sses off before and/or after the public function, not during.

If that is so arduous that the entirety of the world will burst into flames if prayer at the public function cannot wait, then a moment of silence would be the best compromise...followed by jail when someone decides to not be silent and start cramming their religion down the public functions throat since they're at the bully pulpit.

Which is why I think a law like this would be good for the short term, until we can get people to be un-brainwashed that people must hear religion and public events....

Chuck
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Reverse what you said....

If that is so arduous that the entirety of the world will burst into flames if a prayer at the public function is spoken, then a moment of silence would be the best compromise.

One side is just as bad as the other. These are the students that were banned from talking about religion...not just the school faculty.
 
“Whenever you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, because they love to pray while standing in synagogues and on street corners so that people can see them. Truly I say to you, they have their reward. But whenever you pray, go into your room, close the door, and pray to your Father in secret. And your Father, who sees in secret, will reward you” (Matthew 6:5-6).

Read your damned Bible.
 
JockoJohnson said:
If a student wants to say something religious, fine. I don't care if it is Muslim, Christian, Jew, etc. But go on with your ignorant belief that a majority would have a problem if it was a Muslim or Jew. I don't doubt that there is a minority of people that want it their way and their way only.
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You're talking TX here. You think if a Muslim valedictorian of a high school got up to do their speech, and ended with a 'Join me in praying to our almighty Allah', and started the whole graduation ceremony into a sura, that the vast majority of the TX Christians sitting there would be like, Super! Lets all recite it with him/her!

No.

The best compromise, for all religous and non-religous, is to keep the public function public, and not bring religion into the matter at all. Why people cannot understand this, I will never understand.

<-8 years of Roman Catholic gradeschool.

Chuck
 
JohnOfSheffield said:
So fucking what, don't like democracy, send your kids to Iran...

Well, that is the swift answer, the long one is a bit tougher since freedom of religion and the requirement of non-establishment of religion often butts heads, so let's be brighter than the few..

Skip the fucking drama and tell me your issue with this exactly..
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Does your Mama know you're on the internet again?
 
brandonb said:
Iran is starting to sound like a nice place.
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If you get close enough to the border, i could wave to you just before you're hauled off for being a terrorist.

But you'd have to tell me when and not in the next six weeks, in about ten i might be close to there so we'd have to time it...
 
JohnOfSheffield said:
Oh yes there is you retarded little twit AND it's the status quo, if you do not wish to be exposed to religion but want to attend any state function you are supposed to be free from religous speech.

Does it surprise me that i as a Brit know this better than your daft arse, not really, i know who you are, i know you are a fascist, that you spend your family dinners using nothing but hate against others and ending it in a prayer just before dinner just like the rest of you pretend to be Christians...

And yes, you are ALL utterly pathetic excuses of human vermin.

And if you still don't get it, the government is free from religion which means it cannot exercise religion, which means that at any state function, religion is not present... is that clear to you?

I really can't dumb it down more...
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lol, you can believe what you wish but there isn't freedom FROM religion. As hard as you might try, it just doesn't exist no matter how much hate you spew.
 
chucky2 said:
You're talking TX here. You think if a Muslim valedictorian of a high school got up to do their speech, and ended with a 'Join me in praying to our almighty Allah', and started the whole graduation ceremony into a sura, that the vast majority of the TX Christians sitting there would be like, Super! Lets all recite it with him/her!

No.

The best compromise, for all religous and non-religous, is to keep the public function public, and not bring religion into the matter at all. Why people cannot understand this, I will never understand.

<-8 years of Roman Catholic gradeschool.

Chuck
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I had the 8 years of Roman Catholic grade school and the 4 years of Roman Catholic High School. Haven't been to a church since except for funerals and weddings.

BTW, you said a majority of people, not specifically Texas. I really can't argue with you about Texas. But for the most part, I don't think a majority would have a problem. I won't say a small minority either...there will be a good bit of ignorant people just not happy with Muslim or Jew but I have some faith in America that if they allow a student to say a Christian prayer that they could tolerate a Muslim or Jewish prayer. Maybe I am just too much of an optimist.
 
Londo_Jowo said:
Does your Mama know you're on the internet again?
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I'm British, i don't have a Mama, (isn't that what the slave mother were called? Love how you use your words from that time, it was a great time for the US, right) i had a Mum, i have not heard from her in 30 years.

Does that suffice as an answer or do i have to degrade you further.

I am not in the mood for fun at all right now, so just stay away unless you really have something to say, ok?

(still can rhyme unintentionally, it seems).
 
I can only imagine how the fundies would react if a valedictorian planned a graduation speech that promoted atheism...
 
xj0hnx said:
This ruling is fucking obscene. For one thing, it is unconstitutional, it violates freedom of religion, and free speech. If they want to ban the school from holding a prayer that's fine and dandy, but to threaten students with jail for praying is fucking ridiculous.
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But it's not just 'students praying', as if, the students are sitting there in their seats praying silently. It's, for example, a valedictorian of a high school at the graduation ceremony sidetracking the entire ceremony to go fundi on the entire ceremony, possibly expecting the whole ceremony to join in. That doesn't belong at that public venue, and is what the judge is getting at.

There is literally zero reason for anyone to be F'ing up a public ceremony with religion, where religion isn't expressly the topic. None.

If this violates freedom of speech, then the same valedictorian should be able to get up there and drop F bombs, c*nt, n*gger, you name it all day long and no consequences should be had. You're saying you agree with that?
 
Hooray more attacks on religion. I wonder what would happen when all the faith based charities disappear along with all the faith funded hospitals, clinics, drug treatment centers, half way houses, abuse centers.
 
Ape said:
Hooray more attacks on religion. I wonder what would happen when all the faith based charities disappear along with all the faith funded hospitals, clinics, drug treatment centers, half way houses, abuse centers.
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Because people of faith are the only ones performing charity work? BS.
 
chucky2 said:
But it's not just 'students praying', as if, the students are sitting there in their seats praying silently. It's, for example, a valedictorian of a high school at the graduation ceremony sidetracking the entire ceremony to go fundi on the entire ceremony, possibly expecting the whole ceremony to join in. That doesn't belong at that public venue, and is what the judge is getting at.

There is literally zero reason for anyone to be F'ing up a public ceremony with religion, where religion isn't expressly the topic. None.

If this violates freedom of speech, then the same valedictorian should be able to get up there and drop F bombs, c*nt, n*gger, you name it all day long and no consequences should be had. You're saying you agree with that?
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Yes.

People have the right tog o Fundi anywhere they please! The state can't endorse it however.
 
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