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Federal Gov says that I didn't register for the draft...

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Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Originally posted by: TridenTBoy3555
Dieing in wars is not something I would like to be apart of.
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It would seem that you also do not wish to be part of the group of people who paid attention in spelling class.

ZV
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:laugh: owned.
 
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Originally posted by: keird
Originally posted by: SammyJr
Originally posted by: MovingTarget
And TridenTBoy, grow up. This isn't 1970. The draft exists for a reason.
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I can't think of a good reason for a draft. Wars are all about enriching people that don't deserve it. Fuck them.
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Wars are used to change a nation's will. Economic, kinetic, diplomatic, whatever. Just because mandated conscription is foreign to you, doesn't mean it's barbaric or mistaken. Some civilizations want to continue their existence.

I guess you've never had to worry about a threat to your nation. Others don't have that luxury.
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Yep because Vietnam totally represented a threat to our nation. Good thing we bombed them into the stone age. Sure showed them!
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If you were a defense contractor you would view things differently. First WWII and war-a-go-go, then crap, war over, then Korea, yeaaa, then war over but COLD WAR FTMFW! and on to build the Atlas (cost more than the Manhattan Project) followed by Titan and Minuteman. Looking down the road there was...oh, oh...hmmmm..think we ought to order out for some Dominos!
 
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
I think if there was another draft, there would be riots. I remember being legitimately afraid of being drafted in 2003 when Bush started rolling over Iraq. I was 19. Tried to come up with various ideas of how I could avoid getting shipped out to Iraq if they did start a draft and called my number. Luckily I never had to do anything.
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Tell us some of the various ideas you came up with.
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It wasn't much... I was only worried for a short time at the beginning of the invasion (prior to the "Mission Accomplished" sign) but I did talk to a former high school teacher of mine who was drafted and sent to Vietnam, where one of his childhood friends was killed. He just went over a few things about conscientious objector status, saying I should try to come up with verifiable evidence that I was opposed to wars in general (not just that particular war). Membership in certain organizations, letters, etc. I thought about joining the Peace Corps.

Once it became pretty clear that nothing was going to happen, I figured that if anything did happen, I'd just join in whatever protests would undoubtedly occur, and that I'd be willing to go to jail to avoid the draft. Better locked up in a cell than dead in another country.

Originally posted by: keird
Awesome quote Olds. Nice save.
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What? Are you just marveling at how unpatriotic and un-American I am? Or how ignorant I was? Look, I was 19, and I wasn't going to take anything for granted. If Bush was willing to invade Iraq for such dumb reasons, I wasn't going to put it past him to start the draft, even though (in hindsight) it was obviously never going to happen.

I still registered for selective service when I turned 18.
 
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
13Foxtrot (me) used to have the highest risk factor. I've been assigned to mechanized and straight leg grunts.
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Wow, lots of artillerymen around here. I did my time at Ft. Sill, and I seem to remember hearing stats about how us 13Fs had the lowest combat life expectancy. 🙂
 
I don't know about the OP, but I sure as hell never registered. Stupidest shit ever.

Mandatory military service and/or draft systems are illegitimate, period. It's amazing that people try to defend that crap. I don't care that one is the lesser of two evils, it's still evil, and it still stupid.

Edit: HAHA WOW. Apparently somebody registered for me. How disgusting.
 
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
I think if there was another draft, there would be riots. I remember being legitimately afraid of being drafted in 2003 when Bush started rolling over Iraq. I was 19. Tried to come up with various ideas of how I could avoid getting shipped out to Iraq if they did start a draft and called my number. Luckily I never had to do anything.
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Should have just not registered, yes i know it's against the law, you will be called unpatriotic and federal government will deny you any and all service in the future.
 
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Originally posted by: keird
Awesome quote Olds. Nice save.
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What? Are you just marveling at how unpatriotic and un-American I am? Or how ignorant I was? Look, I was 19, and I wasn't going to take anything for granted. If Bush was willing to invade Iraq for such dumb reasons, I wasn't going to put it past him to start the draft, even though (in hindsight) it was obviously never going to happen.

I still registered for selective service when I turned 18.
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Well, I don't know how to answer those questions.

I do wonder about the culture-shift in some parts of the United States and how/when it changed. I'm 38. When I joined the Army in 1988, Vietnam vets were the senior personnel. There are still some left, but not many. Most have retired.

I didn't have any vets as teachers (not that I knew about), but it was instilled in me that military service was an honorable duty. Most likely by family, I suppose. I'm just surprised that a teenage male would consider actively avoiding the military. I mean, from whom does one learn that? You said a teacher and that surprised me.

Are you just marveling at how unpatriotic and un-American I am?
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I just can't help wonder, isn't cowardice still considered a character flaw? Has, even that, changed?
 
I have to thank you, AstroManLuca , for preserving yourself. The world would have truly missed you and all the amazing self-centered accomplishments you'll undoubtedly achieve that will enrich humanity and the people around you. Maybe if you're very lucky you'll manage to live a very long life and grow very old and decrepit and run out of money and find yourself lying in a bed in a state-run nursing home.
 
Originally posted by: keird
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Originally posted by: keird
Awesome quote Olds. Nice save.
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What? Are you just marveling at how unpatriotic and un-American I am? Or how ignorant I was? Look, I was 19, and I wasn't going to take anything for granted. If Bush was willing to invade Iraq for such dumb reasons, I wasn't going to put it past him to start the draft, even though (in hindsight) it was obviously never going to happen.

I still registered for selective service when I turned 18.
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Well, I don't know how to answer those questions.

I do wonder about the culture-shift in some parts of the United States and how/when it changed. I'm 38. When I joined the Army in 1988, Vietnam vets were the senior personnel. There are still some left, but not many. Most have retired.

I didn't have any vets as teachers (not that I knew about), but it was instilled in me that military service was an honorable duty. Most likely by family, I suppose. I'm just surprised that a teenage male would consider actively avoiding the military. I mean, from whom does one learn that? You said a teacher and that surprised me.

Are you just marveling at how unpatriotic and un-American I am?
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I just can't help wonder, isn't cowardice still considered a character flaw? Has, even that, changed?
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Resisting an un-Constitutional law and choosing not to participate in a war crime is not cowardice.
 
Originally posted by: ironwing
Resisting an un-Constitutional law and choosing not to participate in a war crime is not cowardice.
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I've been in the Army for over 20 years. I swore an oath to the Constitution. I haven't commited any war crimes, ever. You have a skewed view of service and duty.

Cowardice:
Date: 14th century
: lack of courage or resolution

899. ART. 99. MISBEHAVIOR BEFORE THE ENEMY
Any person subject to this chapter who before or in the presence of the enemy--
(1) runs away;
(2) shamefully abandons, surrenders, or delivers up any command, unit, place, or military property which it is his duty to defend;
(3) through disobedience, neglect, or intentional misconduct endangers the safety of any such command, unit, place, or military property;
(4) casts away his arms or ammunition;
(5) is guilty of cowardly conduct;
(6) quits his place of duty to plunder or pillage;
(7) causes false alarms in any command, unit, or place under control of the armed forces;
(8) willfully fails to do his utmost to encounter, engage, capture, or destroy any enemy troops, combatants, vessels, aircraft, or any other thing, which it is his duty so to encounter, engage, capture, or destroy; or
(9) does not afford all practicable relief and assistance to any troops, combatants, vessels, or aircraft of the armed forces belonging to the United States or their allies when engaged in battle;
shall be punished by death or such punishment as a court- martial may direct.
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Originally posted by: keird
Originally posted by: ironwing
Resisting an un-Constitutional law and choosing not to participate in a war crime is not cowardice.
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I've been in the Army for over 20 years. I swore an oath to the Constitution. I haven't commited any war crimes, ever. You have a skewed view of service and duty.
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Thank you for your service, just don't expect those of us that object to it to register with selective service.
 
Originally posted by: keird
Originally posted by: ironwing
Resisting an un-Constitutional law and choosing not to participate in a war crime is not cowardice.
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I've been in the Army for over 20 years. I swore an oath to the Constitution. I haven't commited any war crimes, ever. You have a skewed view of service and duty.
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The Iraq war, about which the poster was concerned, is a war crime under the Nuremberg Principles.
 
Originally posted by: keird
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Originally posted by: keird
Awesome quote Olds. Nice save.
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What? Are you just marveling at how unpatriotic and un-American I am? Or how ignorant I was? Look, I was 19, and I wasn't going to take anything for granted. If Bush was willing to invade Iraq for such dumb reasons, I wasn't going to put it past him to start the draft, even though (in hindsight) it was obviously never going to happen.

I still registered for selective service when I turned 18.
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Well, I don't know how to answer those questions.

I do wonder about the culture-shift in some parts of the United States and how/when it changed. I'm 38. When I joined the Army in 1988, Vietnam vets were the senior personnel. There are still some left, but not many. Most have retired.

I didn't have any vets as teachers (not that I knew about), but it was instilled in me that military service was an honorable duty. Most likely by family, I suppose. I'm just surprised that a teenage male would consider actively avoiding the military. I mean, from whom does one learn that? You said a teacher and that surprised me.
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Well, like I said, that teacher hated being sent to Vietnam. The war took an old friend of his, and he didn't think anyone should have to go to war, especially in a totally random selection.

It has to do with my parents as well. They were both born in the early 50s, and so were in late HS/early college during the height of the Vietnam war protests. They were both active participants in these protests and knew people who did get sent to Vietnam, some of whom never came back. My dad was almost drafted but lucked out.

I still see military service as an honorable thing, but I also realize that my government is fallible and does not own me. It is possible for us to get involved in a war that we shouldn't have gotten involved in, and no one should have to die for it. It's a tragedy that anyone should have to die for mistakes like Vietnam or Iraq.

Originally posted by: keird
Are you just marveling at how unpatriotic and un-American I am?
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I just can't help wonder, isn't cowardice still considered a character flaw? Has, even that, changed?
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Yet standing up for one's principles is considered a character strength. If there was a draft, and I went along with it, I might not be a coward, but I'd be doing something totally against my beliefs. If I avoided it, then the reverse would be true.

I will admit that any attempt to avoid the draft would be partially fueled by my desire for self-preservation, but beyond that, it also has to do with my freedom and my principles. I want to be free to choose whether to fight or not. I would fight to defend my country, but I doubt either the Iraq or the Vietnam wars did much to defend the U.S.
 
Originally posted by: looker001
Originally posted by: keird
Originally posted by: ironwing
Resisting an un-Constitutional law and choosing not to participate in a war crime is not cowardice.
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I've been in the Army for over 20 years. I swore an oath to the Constitution. I haven't commited any war crimes, ever. You have a skewed view of service and duty.
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Thank you for your service, just don't expect those of us that object to it to register with selective service.
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Oh. I wouldn't, but I won't have military service intentionally mischaracterized as a 'war crime'.

Just as others wouldn't feel shame for being called a coward, I guess.
 
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
I have to thank you, AstroManLuca , for preserving yourself. The world would have truly missed you and all the amazing self-centered accomplishments you'll undoubtedly achieve that will enrich humanity and the people around you. Maybe if you're very lucky you'll manage to live a very long life and grow very old and decrepit and run out of money and find yourself lying in a bed in a state-run nursing home.
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I'm glad you had the opportunity to bask in the glory of my post.

Maybe one day you will see things in shades other than black and white.
 
Originally posted by: ironwing
Originally posted by: keird
Originally posted by: ironwing
Resisting an un-Constitutional law and choosing not to participate in a war crime is not cowardice.
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I've been in the Army for over 20 years. I swore an oath to the Constitution. I haven't commited any war crimes, ever. You have a skewed view of service and duty.
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The Iraq war, about which the poster was concerned, is a war crime under the Nuremberg Principles.
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Edit: Retracted. This isn't P&N.

 
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Originally posted by: keird
Edit: Retracted. This isn't P&N.
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Good point... I will stop posting in this thread too. I've said everything I wanted to say.
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😀

Continue on! I got the answers I needed and this thread is pretty well derailed.

Tear it up guys.
 
Originally posted by: NSFW
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Originally posted by: keird
Edit: Retracted. This isn't P&N.
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Good point... I will stop posting in this thread too. I've said everything I wanted to say.
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😀

Continue on! I got the answers I needed and this thread is pretty well derailed.

Tear it up guys.
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Get a loan, coward!

 
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