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Federal court rules against FTC no-call list

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Originally posted by: amnesiac
I'm both happy and sad this happened.

Sad: I don't like telemarketers

Happy: My industry, insurance, relies heavily on word of mouth referrals for new clientele. Under the DNC rules, even if Joe said "Hey let me give you Jim's number; call him because he REALLY wanted to look into getting an annuity," I would be breaking the rules by calling Jim, unless Jim contacted me first. For the record, I don't cold call and I don't plan to because I hate it.
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Actually, that's not true. Referrals are not considered telemarketing calls.
 
Originally posted by: Regs
O boy, Vic is a lawyer.
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*yawn*

My first post was basic constitutional law that they teach in public high schools. The Legislative Branch of government creates the law, the Executive Branch enforces and administrates the law, and the Judicial Branch upholds the validity of the law and protects the people from new laws which violate existing law.

The 2nd I know because I am a mortgage broker who works primarily off referrals.
 
I live in Oklahoma and this sucks for many. I'm pretty sure it cost money to be placed on the list. I haven't added myself, but i know a few here at work did a few months ago.
 
Originally posted by: gopunk
i'm against the do-not call list too... they should just have a "call" list... people who want to receive the solicitations can sign up.
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Great idea!
 
Originally posted by: TravisT
I live in Oklahoma and this sucks for many. I'm pretty sure it cost money to be placed on the list. I haven't added myself, but i know a few here at work did a few months ago.
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Um...if I understand you correctly...

Getting placed on the Federal Do Not Call List is free. Maybe you're talking about Oklahoma's list?

 
Originally posted by: abracadabra1
I hope this gets changed soon...would be damn nice to stop the damn telemarketers.
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What do you do so I can start a campaign to "stop" your profession?
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Originally posted by: optoman
A couple of way to fight back.

1) When they call tell them to hold on one second. Just leave the phone off the hook and go about your daily business. Come back in about 5 minutes and check if they are still there. If they are, just tell them it'll be another minute.

2) Get them thinking you are really interested in buying whatever they are selling. Then just as they start to finallize everything, say you aren't interested and hang up.
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Those are more ways to annoy the individual telemarketers and -possibly- raise their call time, thereby increasing the costs for their employer.

If you want fewer calls, always ask to be taken off whatever list they use. I think I'll try to find out where they got my number next time, try and nip the thing at the source or somethin.
 
Originally posted by: Hossenfeffer
Originally posted by: optoman
A couple of way to fight back.

1) When they call tell them to hold on one second. Just leave the phone off the hook and go about your daily business. Come back in about 5 minutes and check if they are still there. If they are, just tell them it'll be another minute.

2) Get them thinking you are really interested in buying whatever they are selling. Then just as they start to finallize everything, say you aren't interested and hang up.
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Those are more ways to annoy the individual telemarketers and -possibly- raise their call time, thereby increasing the costs for their employer.

If you want fewer calls, always ask to be taken off whatever list they use. I think I'll try to find out where they got my number next time, try and nip the thing at the source or somethin.
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The techniques that optoman mentioned will actually make it so you get more calls.
Telemarketers are normal people with a crappy low-paying job. Like most people in crappy low-paying jobs who also have to work with an indignant public, they hate their employers and the customers they call just about as much as they hate their jobs.
Screwing with them will only guarantee their wrath, and they don't care what it costs their employer as long as they can get away with it. This is one reason why telemarketing companies have to pay so much to monitor their outbound call employees, recording calls and having managers listen to them.
For example, a common phone log entry for optoman's option 1 would be "spoke with customer, unavailable at this time, call back later." The entry in the database would be keyed for a call back at a different time.
Option 2 would be an especially bad idea. The entry would reason something like "customer very interested in our product but unwilling to commit at this time." The entry would then be keyed for multiple call backs and/or moved up another level.

Either way, you will get called back again and again. Worse yet, telemarketing companies buy and sell information and you may get placed on a list that says you respond positively to phone solicitation. At this point, your life is over 😛 and you have no one to blame but yourself because (in your spiteful stupidity) you refused to follow the simple advice that people have given you a hundred times.
Do just like Hossenfeffer said. Ask to be put on their Do Not Call list. It's that simple. They will not call you again. Get this through your head, people. Quit being stupid.
 
Originally posted by: MillionaireNextDoor
How shameful.

I agree they have rights to free speech but only as long as it doesn't infringe upon my right to have peace and quiet.
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There is no such right. Unhook your phone.
 
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: amnesiac
I'm both happy and sad this happened.

Sad: I don't like telemarketers

Happy: My industry, insurance, relies heavily on word of mouth referrals for new clientele. Under the DNC rules, even if Joe said "Hey let me give you Jim's number; call him because he REALLY wanted to look into getting an annuity," I would be breaking the rules by calling Jim, unless Jim contacted me first. For the record, I don't cold call and I don't plan to because I hate it.
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Actually, that's not true. Referrals are not considered telemarketing calls.
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Really? Got a link to back that up, because the entire NEF agency is freaking out about it.
 
I just stay on the CALL lists and allow people to call me. Then I politely tell them I'm not interested. I figure I'm giving somebody a job this way so I don't have to read "Telemarketing companies laid off 10,000 people b/c they don't have anybody to call".
 
"I figure I'm giving somebody a job this way so I don't have to read "Telemarketing companies laid off 10,000 people b/c they don't have anybody to call".

Oh sure. You just cost some reporter his job !

 

Do-not-call registry faces tougher challenge

A federal judge issued another, potentially more formidable legal hurdle to the national do-not-call registry Thursday just as Congress granted the Federal Trade Commission authority to create the list.


The Senate and the House of Representatives worked swiftly Thursday to overwhelmingly approve the measure after another federal judge ruled Tuesday that the FTC needed a legislative mandate to create the wildly popular list.


The legislation is now headed to President Bush, who is expected to sign it, his spokesman said.


 
Originally posted by: guyver01
Do-not-call registry faces tougher challenge

A federal judge issued another, potentially more formidable legal hurdle to the national do-not-call registry Thursday just as Congress granted the Federal Trade Commission authority to create the list.


The Senate and the House of Representatives worked swiftly Thursday to overwhelmingly approve the measure after another federal judge ruled Tuesday that the FTC needed a legislative mandate to create the wildly popular list.


The legislation is now headed to President Bush, who is expected to sign it, his spokesman said.
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Topic should be updated to reflect the second judge's ruling.
 
I hope they can get this back on track. I was able to get my name on the list during the last day. I'd like to see some kind of numbers of people who buy or make donations through tele-marketers. It's got to be very minimal.
 
Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
I hope they can get this back on track. I was able to get my name on the list during the last day. I'd like to see some kind of numbers of people who buy or make donations through tele-marketers. It's got to be very minimal.
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ABC News
Consumers spent more than $100 billion in 2002 via outbound telemarketing, according to the Direct Marketing Association in New York, and in the last 12 months, 66 million people have used it to purchase at least one product. [/q
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With this in the news I think more people will be visiting the donotcall website and signing up...it's very likely that the donotcall list will be approved.
 
Originally posted by: dman
Originally posted by: Cyberian
Originally posted by: guyver01
Do-not-call registry faces tougher challenge
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I don't see how "free speech" is involved here if someone is basically 'intruding' into my home.

I also don't understand how the various state DNC laws have gone unchallenged if this is actually a free speech issue.
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Agreed.... It's not free if I'm paying for the phone service.
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Regardless of the money issue there is no such thing as free "commercial" speech. Nike was ruled against for exactly that reason. This verdict will get overturned.
 
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