Fear the Walking Dead - Official discussion thread

[CU]

Could be a rogue military unit. We don't really know how bad everything else is. There could already be a complete break down of the chain of command. The commander of that unit hasn't convinced me he isn't just looking out for himself. They have basically set up camp in the neighborhood and decided to kill everything that is in the DMZ unless he authorized it to be there. I am assuming the sick that the Doctor takes are being experimented on to try and figure out what is causing the walkers.

 

[Charmonium]

I just found out that AMC is owned by Cablevision, a local cable provider. The Dolan family that owns them is selling the cable operations to a french company, Altice, but retaining ownership of AMC. I guess they figure cable tv is shrinking business but that they have some growth with AMC.

 

[MarkXIX]

Could be a rogue military unit. We don't really know how bad everything else is. There could already be a complete break down of the chain of command. The commander of that unit hasn't convinced me he isn't just looking out for himself. They have basically set up camp in the neighborhood and decided to kill everything that is in the DMZ unless he authorized it to be there. I am assuming the sick that the Doctor takes are being experimented on to try and figure out what is causing the walkers.

That's plausible in "TV land" I suppose. However, the likelihood of a bunch of Soldiers going along with a retarded 1LT who's gone rogue in just nine days is pretty slim.

I'll suspense my disbelief for now though... :|

 

[Nebor]

Could be a rogue military unit. We don't really know how bad everything else is. There could already be a complete break down of the chain of command. The commander of that unit hasn't convinced me he isn't just looking out for himself. They have basically set up camp in the neighborhood and decided to kill everything that is in the DMZ unless he authorized it to be there. I am assuming the sick that the Doctor takes are being experimented on to try and figure out what is causing the walkers.

I'm highly suspect of the 1LT with velcro rank on his hat but no nametape on the back.

 

[Imp]

This somewhat explains the Governor and how he had no hesitation at wasting that entire military convoy a few seasons back on TWD... I doubt he would have had a problem anyway, but if the military is going around cleaning places out.

 

[MarkXIX]

I'm highly suspect of the 1LT with velcro rank on his hat but no nametape on the back.

Me too, but others had no nametape on the back of their patrol caps as well, so that's just another Hollywood costume issue I assume.

 

[blankslate]

I'm highly suspect of the 1LT with velcro rank on his hat but no nametape on the back.

Me too, but others had no nametape on the back of their patrol caps as well, so that's just another Hollywood costume issue I assume.

As mentioned before Hollywood may not be portraying the uniforms worn in a 100% accurate fashion compared to real life as a favor to the Military.

I heard this when people pointed out that the combat arms personnel rappelling down from the helicopters in Blackhawk Down wouldn't be using pin on rank on their uniforms they would be using the sewn on rank. It's hard to believe that a movie with large budget wouldn't be able to hire military consultants so I am inclined to believe that Hollywood productions introduce errors in how the actor wear the uniforms.

*e2a*

Nope turns out I'm wrong and production people are just lazy or prefer cooler looks

http://www.stripes.com/blogs/the-ru...ollywood-get-military-uniforms-right-1.159651

but it appears there were court cases about the issue.

Actually, the Supreme Court has ruled on this matter. Originally, actors were allowed to wear military uniforms as long as they did not "discredit the armed force."

But in 1970, the Supreme Court declared that limitation on wearing uniforms was unconstitutional in a case where an actor who had been convicted of illegally wearing a military uniform while performing an anti-war skit in front of an induction center.

Personally I'm glad that they aren't always accurate, even if it irks some because attention to detail can be a criteria on which a series or movie is judged.


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[MarkXIX]

Yeah, but here's what irks me the most I guess in these Hollywood costume designers. They're just lazy in the end. That's what it boils down to.

Here's how I know. If you are going to portray the United States Army you could simply Google "us army uniform wear" or "us army uniform policy" and even Bing pulls up the exact link to the PUBLIC regulation on the matter as a PDF file. It's public knowledge down to the 1/8" measurements. It's got pictures and everything!

http://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/pdf/r670_1.pdf

No excuses.

 

[Nebor]

Yeah, but here's what irks me the most I guess in these Hollywood costume designers. They're just lazy in the end. That's what it boils down to.

Here's how I know. If you are going to portray the United States Army you could simply Google "us army uniform wear" or "us army uniform policy" and even Bing pulls up the exact link to the PUBLIC regulation on the matter as a PDF file. It's public knowledge down to the 1/8" measurements. It's got pictures and everything!

http://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/pdf/r670_1.pdf

No excuses.

Uh, there's also an active duty team of US Army officers & NCOs who's sole job is provide that advice to film & movie producers. Tough job, but someone's gotta do it.

 

[destrekor]

As I recall there is some rule or tradition that Military shows never depict the uniforms quite right... There was some hullabaloo about "BlackHawk Down" over the pin on rank being used by soldiers who rappelled out of the helicopters. They were required to wear sew on rank according to soldiers familiar with the MOS.

It was either DVD commentary or some article that informed me of this rule iirc (perhaps I heard it second hand from a military member talking about the movie).

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Nope. Just a bad rumor.

http://www.stripes.com/blogs/the-ru...ollywood-get-military-uniforms-right-1.159651

There was even a Supreme Court ruling back in 1970 that removed that.
I don't know if the ruling opened up entirely the ability to wear the uniform to depict a member of the Armed Services, of it is still restricted to "theater productions."

Regardless, bad uniform issues these days are entirely the fault of costume designers who don't know right from wrong, and the failure to hire military advisers. Sometimes they know what is right but decide it looks better if done differently.


Edit - serves me right for not reading all the posts on the last page. lol

 

[destrekor]

I'm highly suspect of the 1LT with velcro rank on his hat but no nametape on the back.

I don't think it's a farce, simply because they all appear to have the same uniform issue and thus appears to be a costume flaw and not something to tip us off that something isn't right.


Also - as an LT, ugh... I can't wait to see that LT get bit. He doesn't deserve to be just killed outright by someone in the show, he deserves to get bit. Hopefully torn up by a mob of zombies. :awe:

 

[z1ggy]

I'm a pretty big Walking Dead fan, but I hate to say that I'm not really digging this show so far. I understand they are trying to build up the back story, etc etc, but I feel like the acting isn't all that wonderful and the huge lapse between the first few days of society breaking down to a "everybody is dead outside the safe zone" was a huge let down.

I know it will be interesting to see how things keep progressing because we all know in the end, probably 99.9% of society goes to complete sh!t, but so far this show has left me a bit disappointed.

 

[SearchMaster]

I'm a pretty big Walking Dead fan, but I hate to say that I'm not really digging this show so far. I understand they are trying to build up the back story, etc etc, but I feel like the acting isn't all that wonderful and the huge lapse between the first few days of society breaking down to a "everybody is dead outside the safe zone" was a huge let down.

I know it will be interesting to see how things keep progressing because we all know in the end, probably 99.9% of society goes to complete sh!t, but so far this show has left me a bit disappointed.

Funny I'm sort of the opposite. I liked TWD for a couple of seasons but then the subpar acting and writing just got too old. My family and I pretty much lost interest after like season 3.5.

I'm enjoying this one more than what I remember from TWD, because I think the acting is much better and the direction as well. While Rick Grimes' southern accent is an abomination, I still marvel at the fact that the teen daughter is Australian and has only been in the US for a few years.

 

[BlitzPuppet]

As a member of the military I am a bit frustrated by the portrayal of their actions. Once again the entirety of the military are portrayed as simple, follow orders against all morality, simpletons. Not to mention the glaring uniform issues shown (no one wears "hook and loop" rank insignia on their patrol caps, etc.).

I know, I know, suspend my disbelief or whatever...

I was the same way and actually said out loud "I don't like how they're portraying the military in this series".

 

[BlitzPuppet]

Funny I'm sort of the opposite. I liked TWD for a couple of seasons but then the subpar acting and writing just got too old. My family and I pretty much lost interest after like season 3.5.

I'm enjoying this one more than what I remember from TWD, because I think the acting is much better and the direction as well. While Rick Grimes' southern accent is an abomination, I still marvel at the fact that the teen daughter is Australian and has only been in the US for a few years.

I'm in the same boat as your more-or-less. I honestly can't stand TWD and only watch it because my Fiancee loves it and doesn't want to watch it alone. The acting is laughable at times and the story/writing is laughable as well. I hate how I generally feel like nothing was accomplished/nothing happened after watching the show for an hour. It's frustrating.

I liked this spinoff better than TWD, but the most recent episodes seem to be taking a step in the wrong direction. I can't help but say "Okay, who is Carl 2.0?" and "I hope the druggie kid just dies already" because most of the characters, from what "character development" that we've had (little) are unlikable or cliche.

 

[z1ggy]

Funny I'm sort of the opposite. I liked TWD for a couple of seasons but then the subpar acting and writing just got too old. My family and I pretty much lost interest after like season 3.5.

I'm enjoying this one more than what I remember from TWD, because I think the acting is much better and the direction as well. While Rick Grimes' southern accent is an abomination, I still marvel at the fact that the teen daughter is Australian and has only been in the US for a few years.

I felt like the direction in this show is good, but the writing is not. When they all left the barber shop, Travis' truck happened to be like the only car in the entire area not flipped over and burnt? Come on. And as they ran to the truck... all the violent people just suddenly stopped doing everything to bang and rattle some scaffolding? Idk, it just seemed pretty cheesey if you ask me. Very unbelievable and a poor transition in story.

Well, Andrew Lincoln has to go from a pretty heavy Brit accent, to not only just American English, but also have a drawl. That's probably pretty tough.

Yeah she's pretty good. Honestly the main character...I don't know about her acting. When they took Nick away, she was basically just flailing around a bit and going Nick??! OhNoesZ!! In real life if you saw your drug addict son being hauled away to potentially never see again, I'm pretty sure a real parent would be going absolute ape shit, crying, screaming and beating on anybody holding them back. I don't know maybe I'm being overly critical but that whole scene was also pretty weak.

 

[WackyDan]

the huge lapse between the first few days of society breaking down to a "everybody is dead outside the safe zone" was a huge let down.

Also disappointed... But think of it this way: They are showing it to us from the point of view of those fenced within the neighborhood. In that context, what value does showing the war outside add other than big budget spend? Now, those inside should have heard all the gun fire, etc, so they could have shown the senses being stimulated by those events.

 

[SAWYER]

They cheaped out big time by having them in a safe zone and everything outside is dead, I wanted to see the chaos and breakdown of society

 

[destrekor]

I'm hoping that perhaps in the second season, they'll introduce some characters that survived the exterminations or whatever outside the safe zone, and they'll eventually cross paths with the safe zone folks.

 

[SAWYER]

" When they all left the barber shop, Travis' truck happened to be like the only car in the entire area not flipped over and burnt? Come on. And as they ran to the truck... all the violent people just suddenly stopped doing everything to bang and rattle some scaffolding? Idk, it just seemed pretty cheesey if you ask me. Very unbelievable and a poor transition in story.
"

So true

 

[z1ggy]

I'm hoping that perhaps in the second season, they'll introduce some characters that survived the exterminations or whatever outside the safe zone, and they'll eventually cross paths with the safe zone folks.

I'm wondering if the writers assumed that in real life, the military would come in and literally kill everything that wasn't in a 100% medically cleared safe zone. This is illustrated by all the dead non infected people shown in the streets outside the fence. Also, Travis saw/heard rifle fire in the building where that person was who was trying to communicate with them.

I honestly think (as brutal as it sounds...) that they would do this, and that it potentially is also a good idea. Obviously, you'd want to have as many safe zones as practical, but with more free roaming humans around in unsafe areas, that's just more potential zombies which would only accelerate the collapse.

 

[destrekor]

I'm wondering if the writers assumed that in real life, the military would come in and literally kill everything that wasn't in a 100% medically cleared safe zone. This is illustrated by all the dead non infected people shown in the streets outside the fence. Also, Travis saw/heard rifle fire in the building where that person was who was trying to communicate with them.

I honestly think (as brutal as it sounds...) that they would do this, and that it potentially is also a good idea. Obviously, you'd want to have as many safe zones as practical, but with more free roaming humans around in unsafe areas, that's just more potential zombies which would only accelerate the collapse.

It could be that, but I am also wondering if it is still pointing toward a larger conspiracy/coverup. Or at the very least, the government/military knows what is going on, knows the severity of the disease, and is doing what they can for the greater good: exterminate all risks for the safety of those who are healthy. It's ugly, but a potential solution if implemented early. Obviously they fail, or if there is any success, it remains in the West Coast whereas the East Coast failed.

They must know at this point that even those who appear healthy must be put down with a headshot to prevent reanimation.

I have issues with the show, but dammit, my inner writer wants to see where they take this story. It won't be far this season, perhaps a big leap in the final minutes of the finale, but next season I expect it to have some life injected into it.

 

[pontifex]

They're certainly making it seem like some kind of cover-up with taking people away.

 

[AznAnarchy99]

They're certainly making it seem like some kind of cover-up with taking people away.

I don't think it's a cover up. They're just taking away the threats to the safe zone.

 

[ALIVE]

It could be that, but I am also wondering if it is still pointing toward a larger conspiracy/coverup. Or at the very least, the government/military knows what is going on, knows the severity of the disease, and is doing what they can for the greater good: exterminate all risks for the safety of those who are healthy. It's ugly, but a potential solution if implemented early. Obviously they fail, or if there is any success, it remains in the West Coast whereas the East Coast failed.

They must know at this point that even those who appear healthy must be put down with a headshot to prevent reanimation.

I have issues with the show, but dammit, my inner writer wants to see where they take this story. It won't be far this season, perhaps a big leap in the final minutes of the finale, but next season I expect it to have some life injected into it.

you forgot this aspect all productions in usa are made to swift the public to think a specific way
was in Yugoslavia in usa series the bad guys where serbs
oh yes suddenly hollywoood discovered the serbs
back in the future the terrorist were arabs


so hollywood is all about making the most unprobable scenario draw a conclusion from that aspect and then return to normal conditions and say that should apply here

apart from a wow seen when you first see the soldiers deploys in the city
it only seems that the soldiers just come to encircle the city and be sure noone comes out

so there are a few lucky outs in the outer part of the city which the army is using to make the block to be the lucky and leaving the rest to die

and guys its not only the zombies
food supplies must be shipped in daily bases in a city so there is food
so they cut the food supply the electricity the water still runs or not?

while it seems the soldiers knows how to kill a zombie and how not to get infected we do not see the army trying to make a force entry in the city to save as more as possible. but is places in a way to be sure that all will be doomed

second no way the army will react like this not at the early stages of a thing like that how many of the soldiers have families inside the city
how many soldiers in near camps have family in the city

the most accurate is even they are orders let them all die
military personal ignore them and enter the city to save their families

be aware we are talking still for a control situation so people react different
and they soldiers would react different if situations is getting hopeless


as how the army will react
from your army history really hidden event
a division was asked to attack
the men loose courage and shoot and kill the officers
and did not take part of the attack

of course in the next days all knew what happened but executing a whole division was a bit too far for usa (russia would not mind)
instead they executed a few that were considered to be the leaders
made the rest sign a paper that they will never reveal it or else they will face the penalty of rebel and be executed
and then break the division and transfer them in different one

giving an order and people following it is another thing

also another statistic from usa
50% of army personal in the nuclear ballistic missile would not launch even if the country was under attack with nuclear missiles from russia


so the real questions you have to answer fellow americans
is why your government is planting the idea of letting people die as a good and the only thing to do?

and if you are sure it the only way
then you call an air strike and you level the city from existence
and you throw napalms see the problem is biological

if you are willing to sacrifice the population for the greater good do it in a way
that it will actually pays off

what we are all waiting for?? the zombies going to the perimeter the soldiers being extremely few zombies break the perimeter then government nuke the city too late 1 zombie is out