FDA to let gays donate blood

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stormkroe

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I haven't donated since high school because it's not worth the pittance they pay out. It usually took me an hour/hour and a half to do the paperwork and the procedure and they pay 20/30$? How much do they make on that blood (how much do they bill insurance for if you need a transfusion?) I don't donate because I'm not a chump; if they can't/won't kick me back more than a few % of what they bill insurance for it's not worth it.

The other way to look at it is if you're unable to survive after 1 to 1.5 hours of partially-compensated pay you should get a better job or curtail your spending. How much do you get paid to pay your social security? Or do you give now so there will be some later?
 

rudder

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So they actually didn't let gays give blood? I guess since your blood controls your sexual orientation, that makes perfect sense.

I don't believe that was the reason. The red cross tests every donation for HIV. Since there is a higher rate of HIV infection in the gay community, I think it was a purely financial decision. If there is a less of a likelihood of having to throw away a pint... then to the red cross it would have made sense to exclude gays. This is the same reason they exclude people who lived in Europe during mad cow outbreaks. I think the red cross finally wised up and realized that humans were filling out the questionnaire and there is no reasonable way to determine whether a monogamous gay person or promiscuous bisexual married guy who lied on the form were more statistically probable of having a sample test positive for HIV.
 

Jhhnn

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"So they actually didn't let gays give blood?"


The ban came about when something like 12,000 hemophiliacs got HIV/AIDS and died back in the 80s. Then as now homosexuals were the main carriers. They still account for very high rates of STDs, hepatitis, MRSA, HPV etc. Hard to think of any group more disease prone. Indeed its hard to thing of many groups who would engage in "bug chasing" - or flirting with catching HIV for "erotic" satisfaction (ugh). I believe it was it Rolling Stone that reported a high percentage of new HIV cases were bug chasers.[

I doubt there's any truth to that assertion about Rolling Stone or anybody else. Give us a link.

Alas the kooks in administration are now letting Ebola (wait until Ebola hits the right party in San Fran, Miami or NYC).into the country so it was a given the kooks would risk the blood supply for political purposes. Even gender identity disorder has gone from a recognized psychological issue to being better than normal in total disregard of science despite superficial claims otherwise.

Bug Chasing and Me
http://www.beyondpositive.org/2014/04/16/bug-chasing/

And a not so smooth transition to Hate-um Obama because of EEEEbola. Only in Glenbeckistan.

Bug chasing is obviously a very, very small % of gay men, but a very, very big topic among gay bashers. They're not likely blood donors.

Hemophiliacs were very hard hit by HIV back in the day because they need regular infusions of what they call "factor", a blood product. It didn't help that blood was not kept as discreet units but rather combined into big batches & distributed from there at a time when testing was impossible. Things have obviously changed if the National Hemophiliac Assn is calling for an end to the ban.
 

Zorba

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I haven't donated since high school because it's not worth the pittance they pay out. It usually took me an hour/hour and a half to do the paperwork and the procedure and they pay 20/30$? How much do they make on that blood (how much do they bill insurance for if you need a transfusion?) I don't donate because I'm not a chump; if they can't/won't kick me back more than a few % of what they bill insurance for it's not worth it.

It is illegal to pay for whole blood or any part of blood, except for plasma. I also believe if you receive blood at a hospital, the blood itself is free.
 

Zorba

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Yes, but if you've been with a partner for over a year, both of you have tested negative for HIV/AIDS multiple times and you don't engage in other risk factors (sleeping around, intravenous drug use), then the risk of HIV is effectively zero. Gay professionals in long-term relationships are exactly the sort of people the FDA should want donating blood, as they tend to avoid risky behaviors (like most professionals), but the year-long moratorium on sex will still prevent them from donating. It's an inelegant solution to the problem of whether mitigating risk is worth bigoted profiling.

Professionals that enjoy cruising in the western Caribbean are also banned one year at a time. I know many people that like to donate blood, but haven't been able to for years due to travel.

This ban is not a homosexual ban, it is a ban on men who have had sexual intercourse with another man, even once, since 1977 (start of AIDS). Homosexual women can give as much blood as they want.

Anyone who has, since 1977, received money or drugs for sex is also banned.

Here are some of the other questions all the PC people can get bent out of shape about:
  • Have you received a tattoo that was not performed in the last 12 months?
  • Have you received an ear or body piercing in the last 12 months?
  • Have you ever had any type of cancer
  • In the past 12 months, have you traveled outside the U.S. or Canada?
  • Have you ever used a needle to take drugs or steroids not prescribed by a doctor?
  • Women, in the last 12 months have you had sex with a male that has ever had sexual intercourse with another man?
  • In the last 12 months have you paid for sex?
  • Have you ever lived in Africa?
  • In the last 12 months have you had sexual contact with someone that lived in Africa?
  • In the last 12 months, have you received a blood transfusion?

The list goes on, there are about 50 questions. Probably around 40 of which, someone in the PC crowd could get pissed off about. Donating blood isn't about making society feel good about itself, it is about helping people that would die without the blood.

I have no problem with them re-evaluating any of the bans/questions, but it should be 100% based on science and statistics, with a heavy amount of conservatism, not on what the political correct mafia wants.

In the 80s and early 90s there were so many people that got sick from blood transfusions, many people, including people in my family, refused to receive blood. I feel it is more important that patients can trust the blood they have to have, than to make some donor feel good about themselves.

BTW: I've donated about 4 gallons of blood, and have been deferred multiple times for travel and medical reasons (vaccine). Yeah it sucked and I knew I didn't have malaria. But if there was any chance I could spread malaria, I am glad I was turned away, even if it was a 0.000001% chance.

Edit: On this specific question, I think changing it from 1977 to in the last 12 months probably makes sense. But if you change it for male on male sex, I don't understand why they shouldn't also change the sex for money policy.
 
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Rakehellion

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Just read that the average cost to insurance for a transfusion is 1800-3000$ so really even if their current cost structure can't absorb the extra 100$ they should just tack it onto the final price. Apparently it would only raise cost to patients 5% or so in a worst case scenario.

They have to pay for the bag to put it in, preservatives, the nurse to draw it, numerous tests, refrigeration, the tech to take it out of storage, and the team of surgeons with decades of experience to actually use the thing. They also have to pay for the ones that fail testing or spoil in storage.

Your blood is worth a few tens of dollars, it's the middlemen who are expensive.
 

Zorkorist

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Maybe there should be a competing blood source. The "you'se take your chances wit my blood," source.

-John
 

Zorkorist

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It could be like the new competing space programs... a competing health program.

-John
 

inachu

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It is attempt to make social justice while it makes no health sense at all and is meant as a mental salve to the mind of those who think science and health have nothing to do with this choice as it is a social issue.

Let's see this social issue explode when more lazy people are not trained and they start spreading aids and then soon they find the HIV/AIDS focal point around a small under run clinic run by people who think they are doing good for the community and then cry when they find out they were the cause of the new outbreak.

As far as I know Doctors and nurses must come in with the device with no needles on it and the nurses and doctors must show to the patient the needle is new by placing a new needle on the device within eyesight.

If they enter the room with the needle already affixed onto the plunger then they have failed in their core duty. THen on top of not this needle issue but now not informing clients they are using blood from gay men who might have shared needles or might carry HIIV.
 

smackababy

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Wat? I makes perfect healthy sense to impose a time limit for anal sex, same as it is to impose a time limit on things like body piercings and tattoos. It takes 6+ months for HIV to be detectable after initial infections.
 

Jhhnn

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It is attempt to make social justice while it makes no health sense at all and is meant as a mental salve to the mind of those who think science and health have nothing to do with this choice as it is a social issue.

Let's see this social issue explode when more lazy people are not trained and they start spreading aids and then soon they find the HIV/AIDS focal point around a small under run clinic run by people who think they are doing good for the community and then cry when they find out they were the cause of the new outbreak.

As far as I know Doctors and nurses must come in with the device with no needles on it and the nurses and doctors must show to the patient the needle is new by placing a new needle on the device within eyesight.

If they enter the room with the needle already affixed onto the plunger then they have failed in their core duty. THen on top of not this needle issue but now not informing clients they are using blood from gay men who might have shared needles or might carry HIIV.

Mmmm... projection & fear mongering.