FDA to ban ephedra

dmcowen674

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"This is a sad day in America. "

There has been many sad days and will be more.

Go Marshall Law! I want the Government to hold my weenie when going to the bathroom. Oh and tell me when I can and can't go.

 
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"This is a sad day in America. "

There has been many sad days and will be more.

Go Marshall Law! I want the Government to hold my weenie when going to the bathroom. Oh and tell me when I can and can't go.


..and you want the government to tell corporations where they can and cannot invest. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. A is A.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
"This is a sad day in America. "

There has been many sad days and will be more.

Go Marshall Law! I want the Government to hold my weenie when going to the bathroom. Oh and tell me when I can and can't go.


..and you want the government to tell corporations where they can and cannot invest. You can't have your cake and eat it, too. A is A.

I never said that. I said you can't have the Corporations control the Government as they do, big difference.

 
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674

I never said that. I said you can't have the Corporations control the Government as they do, big difference.


Please accept my apologies, then. I had you confused with someone else who goes thread-to-thread whining about Wal-Mart and corporations who send jobs and money overseas.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: dmcowen674

I never said that. I said you can't have the Corporations control the Government as they do, big difference.


Please accept my apologies, then. I had you confused with someone else who goes thread-to-thread whining about Wal-Mart and corporations who send jobs and money overseas.

Very good, you're getting close. Walmart has much of the control of the Government. People do learn in here.

 

dmcowen674

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They went and banned it:

12-30-2003 U.S. Bans Ephedra, Drug Linked to Deaths

Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson said that "based on the best possible scientific evidence" his agency would issue a consumer alert about the dangers of ephedra and will send notices to manufacturers to stop selling the herbs.

"The time to stop taking this product is now," he said.

"They are just too risky to use," said the secretary.

Thompson said the decision was "well grounded" and based on extensive scientific study. The ban would take effect in 60 days.

"I don't want people turning to ephedra thinking they could lose weight," Thompson told a news conference.

We're sending a strong and clear signal" that such products should come off the market, McClellan said.

"Ephedra raises your blood pressure and stresses your system," McClellan said. "There are far better, safer ways, to get in shape."
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"There are far better, safer ways, to get in shape."

Yeah, like smoking, apparently that won't kill you.
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308nato

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Mill
FDA bans ephedra due to less than 10 deaths over the years.

Does this concern anyone else? Banning ephedra and not cigarettes? How does that even make sense? NEITHER should be banned. People know the risk of each product and there is plenty of warning on the label of both of them. This is a sad day in America.

Isn't Ephedra the main ingrediant when it comes to making Meth?


It is in a few recipes.

 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
They went and banned it:

12-30-2003 U.S. Bans Ephedra, Drug Linked to Deaths

Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson said that "based on the best possible scientific evidence" his agency would issue a consumer alert about the dangers of ephedra and will send notices to manufacturers to stop selling the herbs.

"The time to stop taking this product is now," he said.

"They are just too risky to use," said the secretary.

Thompson said the decision was "well grounded" and based on extensive scientific study. The ban would take effect in 60 days.

"I don't want people turning to ephedra thinking they could lose weight," Thompson told a news conference.

We're sending a strong and clear signal" that such products should come off the market, McClellan said.

"Ephedra raises your blood pressure and stresses your system," McClellan said. "There are far better, safer ways, to get in shape."
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"There are far better, safer ways, to get in shape."

Yeah, like smoking, apparently that won't kill you.
rolleye.gif


It says right on the pack that smoking is bad for you?
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
They went and banned it:

12-30-2003 U.S. Bans Ephedra, Drug Linked to Deaths

Health and Human Services Secretary Tommy Thompson said that "based on the best possible scientific evidence" his agency would issue a consumer alert about the dangers of ephedra and will send notices to manufacturers to stop selling the herbs.

"The time to stop taking this product is now," he said.

"They are just too risky to use," said the secretary.

Thompson said the decision was "well grounded" and based on extensive scientific study. The ban would take effect in 60 days.

"I don't want people turning to ephedra thinking they could lose weight," Thompson told a news conference.

We're sending a strong and clear signal" that such products should come off the market, McClellan said.

"Ephedra raises your blood pressure and stresses your system," McClellan said. "There are far better, safer ways, to get in shape."
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"There are far better, safer ways, to get in shape."

Yeah, like smoking, apparently that won't kill you.
rolleye.gif


It says right on the pack that smoking is bad for you?

That's the point, it hasn't been "BANNED" after 10 people misuse the product.
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Dedpuhl

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While they are at it, they should also ban cigs, alcohol, porn, sports, knitting, cooking, lawn mowers, wood chippers, all tools, bikes, cars, skateboards, scissors, pencils, crayons, and kleenex......ALL items that are potentially unsafe!!


Hell, reading stupid bullSH!T news stories like this does enough to give me high blood pressure.
 

alchemize

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Aspirin can kill you too. But aspirin is regulated.

Problem was, ephedra was being sold as a "dietary supplement", not a drug. The FDA generally turns a blind eye to most supplements, but not those that can cause baseball players to drop dead.


Now if they will only ban cigs, I'll be happy ;)

Several deaths -- including those of some professional athletes -- have been linked to ephedra use. Ephedra was implicated in the February death of Steve Bechler, a 23-year-old prospective pitcher for the Baltimore Orioles. The NFL banned ephedra after the death of Minnesota Vikings offensive lineman Korey Stringer. The U.S. military also has reported problems -- in 2002, the Army reported that more than 30 active duty service personnel died while taking ephedra products.
2 high profile athletes, 30 servicemen. It isn't just 10 people.
 

Moonbeam

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Good. Corporations will sell anything to anybody who will pay. Control people and you control the corporate world.

And ban cigarettes too please you f8cking Republican hypocrites. Ephedra is the Health spa of the Democratic working poor. Russ Blimpbrain can hire a trainer.

Every time I go to Wal-Mart in Sacramento it's like a safari down the Nile, thousands of hippopotami stuffing super jumbo meals down at the Macdonald?s inside, and floating around the store in electric driven gurneys. The government should jail those poor fat slobs and make them walk up and down the highways and waterways picking up trash and painting run down parts of town till they can touch their toes and earn parole. Either that or universal tummy stapling Medicare by taxing the junk food seller's dime.

There should be no freedom for people who are fat or smoke and everybody should be a Mormon. Sure a lot of you stupidos will kick but you won't be when you're playing tennis at ninety.
 

308nato

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Just curious, moonbeam. Do you smoke?

I'll bet he keeps a pack of reds under that little purple hat along with his latest issue of the Limbaugh Newsletter.

 

Dedpuhl

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.00533% of the US population has had adverse side effects from the use of Ephedra.

It's good to see the FDA is looking out for us
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My numbers - the only reference I could find to the number of people suffering adverse side effects is 16000 (FDA.gov). I also used 300M as the total population of the US.
 
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Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Every time I go to Wal-Mart in Sacramento it's like a safari down the Nile, thousands of hippopotami stuffing super jumbo meals down at the Macdonald?s inside, and floating around the store in electric driven gurneys.


God I love America :)
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: xxxxxJohnGaltxxxxx
Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Every time I go to Wal-Mart in Sacramento it's like a safari down the Nile, thousands of hippopotami stuffing super jumbo meals down at the Macdonald?s inside, and floating around the store in electric driven gurneys.


God I love America :)
Obviously he's been to the Merced Walmart:)
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
.00533% of the US population has had adverse side effects from the use of Ephedra.

It's good to see the FDA is looking out for us
rolleye.gif




My numbers - the only reference I could find to the number of people suffering adverse side effects is 16000 (FDA.gov). I also used 300M as the total population of the US.
Maybe a better population to compare it to would be, say, USERS of ephedra?

Statistics abuse...
 

Dedpuhl

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
.00533% of the US population has had adverse side effects from the use of Ephedra.

It's good to see the FDA is looking out for us
rolleye.gif




My numbers - the only reference I could find to the number of people suffering adverse side effects is 16000 (FDA.gov). I also used 300M as the total population of the US.
Maybe a better population to compare it to would be, say, USERS of ephedra?

Statistics abuse...

If only 1 million people used ephedra, then the statistic would only be:

1.6%


...That is not a staggering number.
 

rickn

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and while they are at it, why don't they ban nose pickin' in your car at 70 miles per hour. I bet that kills more than ephedra, not to mention it just looks nasty. Cigarettes and alcohol aren't banned because of the $$$ they throw around.

Knowing how clever most corporations are, they'll probably just find some clever new way to process the herb, patent it, call it a different name, and it will be back for sale again in the near future
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Dedpuhl
.00533% of the US population has had adverse side effects from the use of Ephedra.

It's good to see the FDA is looking out for us
rolleye.gif




My numbers - the only reference I could find to the number of people suffering adverse side effects is 16000 (FDA.gov). I also used 300M as the total population of the US.
Maybe a better population to compare it to would be, say, USERS of ephedra?

Statistics abuse...

If only 1 million people used ephedra, then the statistic would only be:

1.6%


...That is not a staggering number.
Nope, that is pretty much in line with side effects from most drugs. See previous statement on Ephedra not being regulated...

 

Moonbeam

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Just curious, moonbeam. What's your age/weight/height? Do you smoke?

You may be curious but it doesn't, in your case seem to imply intelligence. I said I was in a Wal-Mart amd described what I saw. Surely you know by now, reading my posts with all diligence, that what we see is what we are.

Oh my Beloved, you are one fat dumb chimney smoking slob. :D
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