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FCC moves toward prohibiting Comcast traffic management

techs

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http://www.computerworld.com/a...9109358&intsrc=hm_list

FCC moves toward prohibiting Comcast traffic management
At issue: throttling back P2P traffic by the ISP

July 11, 2008 (IDG News Service) Amid news reports that the U.S. Federal Communications Commission is moving to prohibit Comcast from throttling BitTorrent traffic on its broadband network, a Comcast official said the agency has provided no guidance on how to deal with network congestion.

The Associated Press reported Friday that FCC Chairman Kevin Martin will recommend that Comcast be reprimanded for slowing peer-to-peer (P2P) BitTorrent traffic. Comcast says it throttles the traffic only during times of peak congestion, but Martin and a study from the Max Planck Institute for Software Systems in Germany have contended that Comcast blocks BitTorrent traffic during off-peak hours as well.

Martin told the AP that Comcast's actions have violated FCC principles intended to protect Internet users by arbitrarily blocking some traffic and not telling its customers. The so-called Net neutrality principles say Internet service providers shouldn't block or impair legal applications unless the blocking is part of "reasonable network management."

Comcast does not block any Internet traffic and slows only a small percentage of P2P uploads, said Sena Fitzmaurice, Comcast's senior director of corporate communications and government affairs. In most cases, the upload begins within a minute, she added.

"The commission has never before provided any guidance on what it means by 'reasonable network management,'" Fitzmaurice said. "The carefully limited measures that Comcast takes to manage traffic on its broadband network are a reasonable part of Comcast's strategy to ensure a high-quality, reliable Internet experience for all Comcast High-Speed Internet customers and are used by many other ISPs around the world."

Comcast's customer service agreements tell users that broadband capacity is "not unlimited," she added.





"The commission has never before provided any guidance on what it means by 'reasonable network management,'" Fitzmaurice said.
Here's a hint. Don't keep upping your speeds without adding the infrastructure to support those speeds.
 
Hrmmm. I wonder what the implications on VOIP QOS are as relating to this. Could be a great thing, or an absolutely horrible regulation, depending on how the FCC words the regulation (if they do).
 
Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Hrmmm. I wonder what the implications on VOIP QOS are as relating to this.

(haven't read the link yet)


Comcast claims that their VOIP bandwidth is dedicated and unlike, say Vonage, doesn't affect your internet speeds. At least thats what their techs say.

 
I don't have a problem with Comcast. I have a VOIP account through a 3rd party provider and download movies on my Xbox 360, online gaming, etc...

I'm sure if they do throttling, it's to provide better service to the rest of their paying customers.... All it takes is a couple of P2P jerkoffs running BitTorrent to eat up the bandwidth... I hope the FCC drops this.
 
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: GeekDrew
Hrmmm. I wonder what the implications on VOIP QOS are as relating to this.

(haven't read the link yet)


Comcast claims that their VOIP bandwidth is dedicated and unlike, say Vonage, doesn't affect your internet speeds. At least thats what their techs say.

It very well could be, to a certain extent, in Comcast's case. But if the FCC passes a regulation, it won't apply to just Comcast.
 
Yatta!

Specifically, the commission found that Comcast: blocked customers who were using very little bandwidth simply because they were using a disfavored application; ignored customers using an extraordinary amount of bandwidth even during periods of peak network congestion as long as they weren't using a disfavored application; delayed and blocked customers using a disfavored application even when there was no network congestion; and extended this practice to regions much larger than where it claimed congestion occurred.
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This is stupid. Comcast has already said it is implementing a protocol/application agnostic traffic management system.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
This is stupid. Comcast has already said it is implementing a protocol/application agnostic traffic management system.

And the FCC is telling Comcast to suck the cock, and gag.

Good for the FCC.
 
Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Originally posted by: spidey07
This is stupid. Comcast has already said it is implementing a protocol/application agnostic traffic management system.

And the FCC is telling Comcast to suck the cock, and gag.

Good for the FCC.

No. The FCC mandate is telling Comcast to do what it is ALREADY DOING. It's just dumb.

For the waffles..
" "One need look no further than today's FCC decision for proof that engineering challenges on the Internet should be solved by engineers, not government officials," the NCTA said."

Better article:
http://www.lightreading.com/do...doc_id=160615&site=cdn
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Originally posted by: spidey07
This is stupid. Comcast has already said it is implementing a protocol/application agnostic traffic management system.

And the FCC is telling Comcast to suck the cock, and gag.

Good for the FCC.

No. The FCC mandate is telling Comcast to do what it is ALREADY DOING. It's just dumb.

For the waffles..
" "One need look no further than today's FCC decision for proof that engineering challenges on the Internet should be solved by engineers, not government officials," the NCTA said."

Better article:
http://www.lightreading.com/do...doc_id=160615&site=cdn
Spidey, I think you need to re-read a few things.

The first line of that article is that the FCC is against throttling.

s expected, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) voted 3-2 this morning in favor of an order finding that Comcast Corp. (Nasdaq: CMCSA, CMCSK) illegally fiddled with some peer-to-peer (P2P) traffic and violated the agency's Internet principles.

 
i have a comcast blast! 16mb net connection. this is great news, now i can go back to downloading terabytes of 0-day linux/ubuntu iso's 24/7
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: RyanSengara
Originally posted by: spidey07
This is stupid. Comcast has already said it is implementing a protocol/application agnostic traffic management system.

And the FCC is telling Comcast to suck the cock, and gag.

Good for the FCC.

No. The FCC mandate is telling Comcast to do what it is ALREADY DOING. It's just dumb.

For the waffles..
" "One need look no further than today's FCC decision for proof that engineering challenges on the Internet should be solved by engineers, not government officials," the NCTA said."

Better article:
http://www.lightreading.com/do...doc_id=160615&site=cdn

Brian Roberts, the CEO of Comcast, is the chairman of the board of the NCTA. You know, in the interest of full disclosure.
 
Originally posted by: RyanSengara
The first line of that article is that the FCC is against throttling.

s expected, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) voted 3-2 this morning in favor of an order finding that Comcast Corp. (Nasdaq: CMCSA, CMCSK) illegally fiddled with some peer-to-peer (P2P) traffic and violated the agency's Internet principles.

I can understand that, they hadn't/haven't fully rolled out the new system. The FCC is mandating they don't single out specific applications which is what Comcast is already trying to implement.

The whole thing revolves around "reasonable network management" which ANY and every provider has to do and the FCC understands that. I'm pretty sure I posted 6 months ago when Comcast announced it's new approach.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: RyanSengara
The first line of that article is that the FCC is against throttling.

s expected, the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) voted 3-2 this morning in favor of an order finding that Comcast Corp. (Nasdaq: CMCSA, CMCSK) illegally fiddled with some peer-to-peer (P2P) traffic and violated the agency's Internet principles.

I can understand that, they hadn't/haven't fully rolled out the new system. The FCC is mandating they don't single out specific applications which is what Comcast is already trying to implement.

The whole thing revolves around "reasonable network management" which ANY and every provider has to do and the FCC understands that. I'm pretty sure I posted 6 months ago when Comcast announced it's new approach.

What they were doing was not reasonable. They were found guilty of trying to throttle data that was not even abusing their networks. They lied to everyone about what they were doing and they got caught. They were suspected to not be trustworthy when it comes to this stuff and that's exactly what has been proven. Now, they are going to be regulated much more which is exactly what should happen with businesses that use these kinds of dirty business practices and lie to their customers.

 
Originally posted by: her209
Yatta!

Specifically, the commission found that Comcast: blocked customers who were using very little bandwidth simply because they were using a disfavored application; ignored customers using an extraordinary amount of bandwidth even during periods of peak network congestion as long as they weren't using a disfavored application; delayed and blocked customers using a disfavored application even when there was no network congestion; and extended this practice to regions much larger than where it claimed congestion occurred.
:thumbsup:
🙂

Reading that quote above ticks me off with how they are going about it. But then again the assholes who torrent constantly and essentially screw everyone over piss me off as well. I agree there should be plenty of bandwidth for paying customers now and especially in the future (streaming and digital distribution will only get bigger) but there are those people who get 5 torrents at a time, 24/7 and think it is not unreasonable one bit. They download gigs of garbage they won't ever use and cause companies to implement these restrictions.

I play games online, browse a lot, use Steam, download large demos and patches, stream a bit of videos, and download a couple of things a month like TV episodes. I feel that is not unreasonable and that I should be able to do that without penalty on an unlimited internet connection. Hopefully assholes won't ruin it for me and others.
 
Originally posted by: duragezic
Originally posted by: her209
Yatta!

Specifically, the commission found that Comcast: blocked customers who were using very little bandwidth simply because they were using a disfavored application; ignored customers using an extraordinary amount of bandwidth even during periods of peak network congestion as long as they weren't using a disfavored application; delayed and blocked customers using a disfavored application even when there was no network congestion; and extended this practice to regions much larger than where it claimed congestion occurred.
:thumbsup:
🙂

Reading that quote above ticks me off with how they are going about it. But then again the assholes who torrent constantly and essentially screw everyone over piss me off as well. I agree there should be plenty of bandwidth for paying customers now and especially in the future (streaming and digital distribution will only get bigger) but there are those people who get 5 torrents at a time, 24/7 and think it is not unreasonable one bit. They download gigs of garbage they won't ever use and cause companies to implement these restrictions.

I play games online, browse a lot, use Steam, download large demos and patches, stream a bit of videos, and download a couple of things a month like TV episodes. I feel that is not unreasonable and that I should be able to do that without penalty on an unlimited internet connection. Hopefully assholes won't ruin it for me and others.

It's not an unlimited service otherwise it would cost consumers a heck of a lot more.

But to be sure you can thank the abusers for providers having to take such action. When you see P2P taking up most all of your capacity when that application has very few legitimate uses you may be able to understand why comcast took the approach they did initially. The FCC smacked them around a little bit and they responded with an application agnostic approach to network management.

Then again few on this board remember the times when leeching was penalized.

It's funny a boob slip and the FCC is damned, but when they defend good network management polices they are praised. Of all gubment agencies the FCC works for the people and is probably the biggest supporter of competition.
 
Originally posted by: TeeJay1952
Friend got Hancock in 20 Min this morning.

And it's not going to last, so stock up. Metered services are what is going to happen. All you can eat is done homer.
 
Originally posted by: spidey07

It's not an unlimited service otherwise it would cost consumers a heck of a lot more.

But to be sure you can thank the abusers for providers having to take such action. When you see P2P taking up most all of your capacity when that application has very few legitimate uses you may be able to understand why comcast took the approach they did initially. The FCC smacked them around a little bit and they responded with an application agnostic approach to network management.

Then again few on this board remember the times when leeching was penalized.

It's funny a boob slip and the FCC is damned, but when they defend good network management polices they are praised. Of all gubment agencies the FCC works for the people and is probably the biggest supporter of competition.

I was sure Comcast Fanboi would make an appearance in this thread.
 
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